old salt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:59 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:47 am
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:56 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:17 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:10 pm
Like restricting fracking & stopping KXL in mid construction, so we become dependent on ME oil again.
Oh, so you DO understand that government does indeed effect our economic choices, and that we CHOSE those gas cars.
Back in my camp, are we?
BTW, that second pipeline has nothing to do with ME oil. It's about money.
And also btw, I disagree completely with Biden's BS Keystone move that was nothing but pointless theater.
Yes. As disciused, we chose gas cars over the horse & buggy.
Right now, the Canadian crude goes to US refineries AND ships to China from US Gulf Ports. If KXL is dead, the Chinese will fund a pipeline to BC & they'll suck up all that cheaper Canadian crude that is now feeding US mid-continent & Gulf coast refineries. Bakken (ND & MT) crude is limited by takeaway capacity which KXL would help relieve. When US refineries can't get enough US or Canadian crude, they import, much from the ME & Venezuela. KXL would allow for the export of US & Canadian crude from US Gulf state ports.
It's not only about $$$. It's energy security -- not depending on crude from unreliable, unstable, adversarial nations.
If we don't get it from Canada, it comes from Venezuela or the ME.
Are you saying that we don't produce enough oil and gas in the US to support our country's needs in extremis? Not a matter simply of price, but actually not enough?
And that if, say, the US and China actually were in a hot war our neighbor Canada would continue to ship to China rather than diverting to the US?
I'm not buying that on it's face, but am open to details that show otherwise.
Where were you in the '70's. Why do you think we maintain a strategic oil reserve.
Are you against the US being a net oil & refined products exporter, or do you prefer that your Chinese friends get the Canadian crude we would get via KXL, while we import from Venezuela & the ME.
Was that supposed to be an answer?
I'm enthusiastic about the US maintaining a sound strategic reserve and to be a net exporter going forward (as we are), while at the same time dramatically reducing reliance on carbon fuels where we can. There's a ton of room for such reduction and indeed it's in our strong strategic interest to do so.
But I asked about in extremis, no exporting, rather everything directed to domestic/military usage. Not enough?
And I asked about whether you really think our Canadian allies wouldn't happily divert their oil to the US via US tankers rather than to the Chinese? Seems to me that's not a remotely close call in such a situation.
That is why I keep keep saying the leadership cabal of the environmental freak circus are the biggest hypocrites on the planet they want to save while getting uber wealthy at the same time. It is so sad that most of you sheep just keep following these people wherever they lead you and never even say baaaaah about doing so. 
