CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US

[jhu72]

baloney...they argued about the optics, kept saying they didn't agree.

So, let's hear Charlie Flynn under oath, let's hear the rest of the participants under oath before we're 100% sure this was clean as a whistle and just a matter of bureaucratic fumbling.

sheesh...Benghazi...

Given the lack of clarity that is certainly a responsible position, congressional inquiry that gets everyone on the record.

...yeah, let's drag Mike Flynn's brother before Congress & make him deny absurd conspiracy theories, ...KFC snacks provided.

His testimony is of less interest than many of the others.

[old salt]

baloney...they argued about the optics, kept saying they didn't agree.

So, let's hear Charlie Flynn under oath, let's hear the rest of the participants under oath before we're 100% sure this was clean as a whistle and just a matter of bureaucratic fumbling.

sheesh...Benghazi...

Given the lack of clarity that is certainly a responsible position, congressional inquiry that gets everyone on the record.

...yeah, let's drag Mike Flynn's brother before Congress & make him deny absurd conspiracy theories, ...KFC snacks provided.

His testimony is of less interest than many of the others.

Yeah. I'd love to hear from the fired Sergeants at Arms & the CP Chief about what guidance they got from Congressional leadership about the optics of NG troops surrounding the Capital before what they planned for as a 1st Amendment event.

[MDlaxfan76]

baloney...they argued about the optics, kept saying they didn't agree.

So, let's hear Charlie Flynn under oath, let's hear the rest of the participants under oath before we're 100% sure this was clean as a whistle and just a matter of bureaucratic fumbling.

sheesh...Benghazi...

Given the lack of clarity that is certainly a responsible position, congressional inquiry that gets everyone on the record.

...yeah, let's drag Mike Flynn's brother before Congress & make him deny absurd conspiracy theories, ...KFC snacks provided.

His testimony is of less interest than many of the others.

Yeah. I'd love to hear from the fired Sergeants at Arms & the CP Chief about what guidance they got from Congressional leadership about the optics of NG troops surrounding the Capital before what they planned for as a 1st Amendment event.

Certainly would be important to know. We've heard from the CP Chief that he wanted NG, but the Sergeants at Arms pushed back on him about optics...certainly a mistake...was that at other's direction or insistence or their mistake?

But you're quite wrong about the Army's story...it doesn't line up with the CP Chief asking for the help as confirmed by others...so, let's hear from all those in the room, yes, including Mike Flynn's brother.

Also want to hear from various intelligence groups as to why the chatter was not taken more seriously.

There's lots of blame to go around on why they were underprepared for what came, sheesh we were talking about this possibility back last summer and there certainly was a ton of chatter coming down the stretch. And, like Benghazi, there's real question as to why the response was bungled, why there was so much friction to getting swift support.

Maybe it was all bureaucratic fumbling top to bottom, maybe they all just figured Trump supporters wouldn't actually go violent, maybe they all failed to imagine paramilitary as the vanguard of a mob...maybe they simply couldn't believe what they were watching on TV and the CP chief is begging them to move A double S to help.

But, with all deep and due respect to the guys lost at Benghazi, this was a much more serious event...steps away from VP death, Senators, Congress people, staff deaths. Successful insurrection, martial law, the whole nine yards. Steps and moments away.

[Typical Lax Dad]

baloney...they argued about the optics, kept saying they didn't agree.

So, let's hear Charlie Flynn under oath, let's hear the rest of the participants under oath before we're 100% sure this was clean as a whistle and just a matter of bureaucratic fumbling.

sheesh...Benghazi...

Given the lack of clarity that is certainly a responsible position, congressional inquiry that gets everyone on the record.

...yeah, let's drag Mike Flynn's brother before Congress & make him deny absurd conspiracy theories, ...KFC snacks provided.

His testimony is of less interest than many of the others.

Yeah. I'd love to hear from the fired Sergeants at Arms & the CP Chief about what guidance they got from Congressional leadership about the optics of NG troops surrounding the Capital before what they planned for as a 1st Amendment event.

Certainly would be important to know. We've heard from the CP Chief that he wanted NG, but the Sergeants at Arms pushed back on him about optics...certainly a mistake...was that at other's direction or insistence or their mistake?

But you're quite wrong about the Army's story...it doesn't line up with the CP Chief asking for the help as confirmed by others...so, let's hear from all those in the room, yes, including Mike Flynn's brother.

Also want to hear from various intelligence groups as to why the chatter was not taken more seriously.

There's lots of blame to go around on why they were underprepared for what came, sheesh we were talking about this possibility back last summer and there certainly was a ton of chatter coming down the stretch. And, like Benghazi, there's real question as to why the response was bungled, why there was so much friction to getting swift support.

Maybe it was all bureaucratic fumbling top to bottom, maybe they all just figured Trump supporters wouldn't actually go violent, maybe they all failed to imagine paramilitary as the vanguard of a mob...maybe they simply couldn't believe what they were watching on TV and the CP chief is begging them to move A double S to help.

But, with all deep and due respect to the guys lost at Benghazi, this was a much more serious event...steps away from VP death, Senators, Congress people, staff deaths. Successful insurrection, martial law, the whole nine yards. Steps and moments away.

Let’s get to the bottom of it.

[old salt]

Maybe it was all bureaucratic fumbling top to bottom, maybe they all just figured Trump supporters wouldn't actually go violent, maybe they all failed to imagine paramilitary as the vanguard of a mob...maybe they simply couldn't believe what they were watching on TV and the CP chief is begging them to move A double S to help.

That's what appears to me until there is proof otherwise. I suspect everyone was focused on the inauguration which was a NSSE with the Secret Service in charge & all agencies having predetermined roles. Jan 6th was just a MAGA rally at the Ellipse. Every agency was guarding their turf. The Secret Service the WH, Park Police the Mall & Monuments, DC Metro the streets & BLM Plaza, & CP the Capital. The rally crowd could have devolved & gone any direction. Previous rallies had devolved into conflict in or near BLM Plaza. Apparently there were indications they might move to the Capital because of the Elector certification, but the only firm intel I've seen reported was the alert from the FBI's Norfolk field office which was put into the system but apparently not flagged.

Regarding the NG response, you still fail to appreciate the limitations of the NG mobilizing & deploying when not already in an alert status & where the NG fits in the structured response to mob violence. The NG are not first responders, Far from it. There are other assets that are better suited & more readily available. They were called & responded quickly, as should have been expected. Had the CP or DC Metro requested in advance, DC NG riot control troops would have been activated & standing by in the Armory, with buses already there for them.

Listen to embedded video with the Army Secy about what went on in the Pentagon & the CNN reporters explanation about what was involved.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics ... index.html

[old salt]

Maybe it was all bureaucratic fumbling top to bottom, maybe they all just figured Trump supporters wouldn't actually go violent, maybe they all failed to imagine paramilitary as the vanguard of a mob...maybe they simply couldn't believe what they were watching on TV and the CP chief is begging them to move A double S to help.

That's what appears to me until there is proof otherwise. I suspect everyone was focused on the inauguration which was a NSSE with the Secret Service in charge & all agencies having predetermined roles. Jan 6th was just a MAGA rally at the Ellipse. Every agency was guarding their turf. The Secret Service the WH, Park Police the Mall & Monuments, DC Metro the streets & BLM Plaza, & CP the Capital. The rally crowd could have devolved & gone any direction. Previous rallies had devolved into conflict in or near BLM Plaza. Apparently there were indications they might move to the Capital because of the Elector certification, but the only firm intel I've seen reported was the alert from the FBI's Norfolk field office which was put into the system but apparently not flagged.

Regarding the NG response, you still fail to appreciate the limitations of the NG mobilizing & deploying when not already in an alert status & where the NG fits in the structured response to mob violence. The NG are not first responders, Far from it. There are other assets that are better suited & more readily available. They were called & responded quickly, as should have been expected. Had the CP or DC Metro requested in advance, DC NG riot control troops would have been activated & standing by in the Armory, with buses already there for them.

Listen to embedded video with the Army Secy about what went on in the Pentagon & the CNN reporters explanation about what was involved.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics ... index.html

...& before you take CNN's bait suggesting a Flynn brothers conspiracy, consider this :
https://abcnews.go.com/US/longtime-trum ... d=75261028
While none of them spoke at the actual rally... Flynn promoted the so-called "Jericho March," a rally of Christians to "pray, march, fast, and rally for election integrity," according to the group's website, that also took place on Jan. 6 in the shadow of the Capitol.

Speaking at a Dec. 12 rally in Washington...

A source close to Flynn told ABC News the retired general does not believe his words incited violence, and that he does not condone it, saying the riot was "the last thing we expected."

Trump had invited Flynn and his family to the Jan. 6 rally but the source said they left disgusted at what the confidant said was a pointless gathering on the Ellipse, followed by outrageous political violence on Capitol Hill.

...the source said. "But Michael Flynn never called for violence. What happened there was terrible."

[CU77]

A source close to Flynn told ABC News the retired general does not believe his words incited violence, and that he does not condone it, saying the riot was "the last thing we expected."

Shouldn't a former National Security Advisor be a little better than that at threat assessment?

[old salt]

A source close to Flynn told ABC News the retired general does not believe his words incited violence, and that he does not condone it, saying the riot was "the last thing we expected."

Shouldn't a former National Security Advisor be a little better than that at threat assessment?

...nobody else, current or former, was.

[Brooklyn]

https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/greater ... 0061807.79





reich wing terrorists storm the Capitol - there's only one solution to this: BRING ON THE HANGMAN!

[CU77]

A source close to Flynn told ABC News the retired general does not believe his words incited violence, and that he does not condone it, saying the riot was "the last thing we expected."

Shouldn't a former National Security Advisor be a little better than that at threat assessment?

...nobody else, current or former, was.

No one in the Trump administration, for sure.

[old salt]

A source close to Flynn told ABC News the retired general does not believe his words incited violence, and that he does not condone it, saying the riot was "the last thing we expected."

Shouldn't a former National Security Advisor be a little better than that at threat assessment?

...nobody else, current or former, was.

No one in the Trump administration, for sure.

...or Congressional leadership & staff, or DC government, at least nobody is a position of power.

I do have some sympathy for the CP & DC Metro police Chiefs if their initial stated intention was to ask for more NG support in advance, IF they were specifically overruled by the Mayor, Sergeants at Arms or Congressional leadership. They're now trying to CYA & shift the focus to the NG, but they failed to take advantage of other Federal & adjoining state police assets which, with advance planning, are better trained & equipped & more readily available than the NG in riot control & clearing buildings.

DoD leaders have every right to be angry. They tried to get DC & Congress to request more NG in advance. Now they are being scapegoated.
It is not the Trump admin's responsibility to manage the defense of the Capital building. That is a prerogative that Congress jealously retains.

[Kismet]

Maybe it was all bureaucratic fumbling top to bottom, maybe they all just figured Trump supporters wouldn't actually go violent, maybe they all failed to imagine paramilitary as the vanguard of a mob...maybe they simply couldn't believe what they were watching on TV and the CP chief is begging them to move A double S to help.

That's what appears to me until there is proof otherwise. I suspect everyone was focused on the inauguration which was a NSSE with the Secret Service in charge & all agencies having predetermined roles. Jan 6th was just a MAGA rally at the Ellipse. Every agency was guarding their turf. The Secret Service the WH, Park Police the Mall & Monuments, DC Metro the streets & BLM Plaza, & CP the Capital. The rally crowd could have devolved & gone any direction. Previous rallies had devolved into conflict in or near BLM Plaza. Apparently there were indications they might move to the Capital because of the Elector certification, but the only firm intel I've seen reported was the alert from the FBI's Norfolk field office which was put into the system but apparently not flagged.

Regarding the NG response, you still fail to appreciate the limitations of the NG mobilizing & deploying when not already in an alert status & where the NG fits in the structured response to mob violence. The NG are not first responders, Far from it. There are other assets that are better suited & more readily available. They were called & responded quickly, as should have been expected. Had the CP or DC Metro requested in advance, DC NG riot control troops would have been activated & standing by in the Armory, with buses already there for them.

Listen to embedded video with the Army Secy about what went on in the Pentagon & the CNN reporters explanation about what was involved.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics ... index.html

...& before you take CNN's bait suggesting a Flynn brothers conspiracy, consider this :
https://abcnews.go.com/US/longtime-trum ... d=75261028
While none of them spoke at the actual rally... Flynn promoted the so-called "Jericho March," a rally of Christians to "pray, march, fast, and rally for election integrity," according to the group's website, that also took place on Jan. 6 in the shadow of the Capitol.

Speaking at a Dec. 12 rally in Washington...

A source close to Flynn told ABC News the retired general does not believe his words incited violence, and that he does not condone it, saying the riot was "the last thing we expected."

Trump had invited Flynn and his family to the Jan. 6 rally but the source said they left disgusted at what the confidant said was a pointless gathering on the Ellipse, followed by outrageous political violence on Capitol Hill.

...the source said. "But Michael Flynn never called for violence. What happened there was terrible."

Why should anyone believe anything Flynn says about anything? He is a convicted liar and prevaricator who had to get pardoned for his crimes. You carrying ubiquitous amounts of water for the guy does not change any of that or who the man is at his core. There are many reasons for the end of his career both in the Army and in the WH and most of it lands squarely on himself. A modern day Edwin Walker (or if you prefer Gen. James Mattoon Scott in Seven Days in May).

It doesn't sound to me that his brother was, in any way, involved in some kind of nefarious way in all this. Press should give him a break unless they have direct evidence of his involvement in some kind of suspicious way which does not appear to be the case.

[MDlaxfan76]

A source close to Flynn told ABC News the retired general does not believe his words incited violence, and that he does not condone it, saying the riot was "the last thing we expected."

Shouldn't a former National Security Advisor be a little better than that at threat assessment?

...nobody else, current or former, was.

hmmm, sounds like the now resigned head of Cap police was more concerned, but overruled...by the two Sergeant at Arms.

And, heck, I was more concerned about exactly this than it seems the chain of command was...it was the obvious primary target if things got ugly...BLM plaza would have been my 2nd choice and I'd have been ready for that as well. But "Stop the Steal"...

[MDlaxfan76]

Maybe it was all bureaucratic fumbling top to bottom, maybe they all just figured Trump supporters wouldn't actually go violent, maybe they all failed to imagine paramilitary as the vanguard of a mob...maybe they simply couldn't believe what they were watching on TV and the CP chief is begging them to move A double S to help.

That's what appears to me until there is proof otherwise. I suspect everyone was focused on the inauguration which was a NSSE with the Secret Service in charge & all agencies having predetermined roles. Jan 6th was just a MAGA rally at the Ellipse. Every agency was guarding their turf. The Secret Service the WH, Park Police the Mall & Monuments, DC Metro the streets & BLM Plaza, & CP the Capital. The rally crowd could have devolved & gone any direction. Previous rallies had devolved into conflict in or near BLM Plaza. Apparently there were indications they might move to the Capital because of the Elector certification, but the only firm intel I've seen reported was the alert from the FBI's Norfolk field office which was put into the system but apparently not flagged.

Regarding the NG response, you still fail to appreciate the limitations of the NG mobilizing & deploying when not already in an alert status & where the NG fits in the structured response to mob violence. The NG are not first responders, Far from it. There are other assets that are better suited & more readily available. They were called & responded quickly, as should have been expected. Had the CP or DC Metro requested in advance, DC NG riot control troops would have been activated & standing by in the Armory, with buses already there for them.

Listen to embedded video with the Army Secy about what went on in the Pentagon & the CNN reporters explanation about what was involved.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics ... index.html

...& before you take CNN's bait suggesting a Flynn brothers conspiracy, consider this :
https://abcnews.go.com/US/longtime-trum ... d=75261028
While none of them spoke at the actual rally... Flynn promoted the so-called "Jericho March," a rally of Christians to "pray, march, fast, and rally for election integrity," according to the group's website, that also took place on Jan. 6 in the shadow of the Capitol.

Speaking at a Dec. 12 rally in Washington...

A source close to Flynn told ABC News the retired general does not believe his words incited violence, and that he does not condone it, saying the riot was "the last thing we expected."

Trump had invited Flynn and his family to the Jan. 6 rally but the source said they left disgusted at what the confidant said was a pointless gathering on the Ellipse, followed by outrageous political violence on Capitol Hill.

...the source said. "But Michael Flynn never called for violence. What happened there was terrible."

Why should anyone believe anything Flynn says about anything? He is a convicted liar and prevaricator who had to get pardoned for his crimes. You carrying ubiquitous amounts of water for the guy does not change any of that or who the man is at his core. There are many reasons for the end of his career both in the Army and in the WH and most of it lands squarely on himself. A modern day Edwin Walker (or if you prefer Gen. James Mattoon Scott in Seven Days in May).

It doesn't sound to me that his brother was, in any way, involved in some kind of nefarious way in all this. Press should give him a break unless they have direct evidence of his involvement in some kind of suspicious way which does not appear to be the case.

I dunno. Not specifically as to Charles Flynn, but as to what was going on in that room when they were being begged to move...and were worried about how it would look...I want them ALL under oath...

I want the press and ultimately Congress to force this into the open, however it went down...meanwhile IG's......if just bureaucratic fumbling, figure out how to not have it happen again...if specific bias involved, need to go...if actual foreknowledge (ala what is speculated about a couple of Congressional people) then prosecute.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/greater ... 0061807.79

reich wing terrorists storm the Capitol - there's only one solution to this: BRING ON THE HANGMAN!

Do you realize how empty a person’a life must be or how aggrieved they must feel to walk around wearing a Trump hat or any hat with a politician’s name on it like a Ravens, Eagles or Yankees fan would?

[Brooklyn]

Do you realize how empty a person’a life must be or how aggrieved they must feel to walk around wearing a Trump hat or any hat with a politician’s name on it like a Ravens, Eagles or Yankees fan would?

Yup. As a Yankees fan, I wear a cap to show my lifelong loyalty to the team but not as a slam against any other team. Ditto for all other pro sports fans. Over the years Yankees players have said once they leave the playing field BoSox fans treat them with great respect all throughout Boston. Similarly, Sox players have said the same about the great sportsmanship displayed by Yankees fans when they venture into NYC streets after a game. Total respect at all times under all circumstances.

By contrast, tRUMPist followers wear those Chinese made MAGA hats because of their cultish devotion to the traitor. They love him but hate America - those foreign made hats are proof. If they were such patriots, they would demand that the hats be made in the USA in order to give jobs to poor folks here. The reichsters lives are empty because their little minds are devoid of any logic and common sense. There isn't a shred of patriotism in any of those America haters. Only mindless hate for the USA and unmatchable treason.

[old salt]

Listen to embedded video with the Army Secy about what went on in the Pentagon & the CNN reporters explanation about what was involved.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics ... index.html

...& before you take CNN's bait suggesting a Flynn brothers conspiracy, consider this :
https://abcnews.go.com/US/longtime-trum ... d=75261028
While none of them spoke at the actual rally... Flynn promoted the so-called "Jericho March," a rally of Christians to "pray, march, fast, and rally for election integrity," according to the group's website, that also took place on Jan. 6 in the shadow of the Capitol.

Speaking at a Dec. 12 rally in Washington...

A source close to Flynn told ABC News the retired general does not believe his words incited violence, and that he does not condone it, saying the riot was "the last thing we expected."

Trump had invited Flynn and his family to the Jan. 6 rally but the source said they left disgusted at what the confidant said was a pointless gathering on the Ellipse, followed by outrageous political violence on Capitol Hill.

...the source said. "But Michael Flynn never called for violence. What happened there was terrible."

Why should anyone believe anything Flynn says about anything? He is a convicted liar and prevaricator who had to get pardoned for his crimes. You carrying ubiquitous amounts of water for the guy does not change any of that or who the man is at his core. There are many reasons for the end of his career both in the Army and in the WH and most of it lands squarely on himself. A modern day Edwin Walker (or if you prefer Gen. James Mattoon Scott in Seven Days in May).

It doesn't sound to me that his brother was, in any way, involved in some kind of nefarious way in all this. Press should give him a break unless they have direct evidence of his involvement in some kind of suspicious way which does not appear to be the case.

Flynn was not at the Capital on 1/6 & no evidence has been reported that he was in any way involved or did anything to prompt what happened on 1/6. He did not speak at the 1/6 rally. If there were, the msm would be all over it. The root cause of the end of his military career is because, when asked, he testified honestly before Congress about our strategy in the wars in which he had served & he attempted to make DIA more useful to our war fighters. He was spied on from the time he was at DIA & visited Russia on an official liaison mission. He was then framed when he joined the Trump campaign & admin. If he's gone off the deep end now, he was driven there.

Observe how the press is giving his brother a break :
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/wat ... 9773509543

[seacoaster]

From a CNN article:

"Steve Bannon evoked the beaches of Normandy. Michael Flynn drew comparisons to Civil War battlefields and spoke of Americans who died for their country. Roger Stone called it a struggle "between the godly and the godless, between good and evil." Rudy Giuliani called for "trial by combat." Ali Alexander said it would be a "knife fight."

Flynn wasn't at the Capitol. But he was certainly among the influential surrogates helping to whip the folks who did go to and into the Capitol into a frenzy. The root cause of the end of his military career was a conflict with his commander in chief, legally and overwhelmingly elected to be the commander in chief twice. Speaking truth to power does not require or demand the speaker to be an assh*le. No one drove Mike Flynn to anything. He is responsible for his current status as a disgraced criminal pardoned by a grifting, moronic, dirty President.

[cradleandshoot]

From a CNN article:

"Steve Bannon evoked the beaches of Normandy. Michael Flynn drew comparisons to Civil War battlefields and spoke of Americans who died for their country. Roger Stone called it a struggle "between the godly and the godless, between good and evil." Rudy Giuliani called for "trial by combat." Ali Alexander said it would be a "knife fight."

Flynn wasn't at the Capitol. But he was certainly among the influential surrogates helping to whip the folks who did go to and into the Capitol into a frenzy. The root cause of the end of his military career was a conflict with his commander in chief, legally and overwhelmingly elected to be the commander in chief twice. Speaking truth to power does not require or demand the speaker to be an assh*le. No one drove Mike Flynn to anything. He is responsible for his current status as a disgraced criminal pardoned by a grifting, moronic, dirty President.

So Bannon evoked the memory of the beaches at Normandy?? Some people have no effing shame whatsoever... I need to back into my garden.

[old salt]

From a CNN article:

"...Michael Flynn drew comparisons to Civil War battlefields and spoke of Americans who died for their country..."

Flynn wasn't at the Capitol. But he was certainly among the influential surrogates helping to whip the folks who did go to and into the Capitol into a frenzy. The root cause of the end of his military career was a conflict with his commander in chief, legally and overwhelmingly elected to be the commander in chief twice. Speaking truth to power does not require or demand the speaker to be an assh*le. No one drove Mike Flynn to anything. He is responsible for his current status as a disgraced criminal pardoned by a grifting, moronic, dirty President.

Did you purposely omit that Flynn spoke on 1/5 to a peaceful crowd of Evangelicals ? He did not speak on 1/6, when the mob formed & moved to the Capital after Trump's speech. Flynn had nothing to do with that. The group he spoke before, Jericho March, had previously protested peacefully & held peaceful rallies & marches on Dec 12 & Jan 5.

Flynn was completely respectful of his Cin Obama in his public utterances while still on active duty.
You are (purposely ?) confusing what he said, when & why.