tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:51 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:22 pm
tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:03 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:57 am
tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:24 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:11 am
6x6 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:04 am
CU88 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:53 pm
Operation Warp Speed leaders waited more than two months to approve a plan to distribute and administer Covid-19 vaccines proposed by U.S. health officials
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-v ... 1610737935
"We are rounding the corner..."
"It will go away by itself..."
"After Nov. 4th, no one will be talking about COVID..."
MAGA
I think we get it and agree. Trump is an a**#&@* and he along with the feds are to blame for the situation we are in. Yet, isn’t this old news by now, why keep beating a dead horse?
How about we look forward instead of bitching about what has already transpired. Hopefully, Biden will be able to deliver on his promise of 100 million shot in his first 100 days.
How about we can "walk and chew gum at the same time".
Seems to me that recognizing the hole we're in, how we got here, the difficulties associated given the disappointing failures that will be the reality upon takeover, are all important as we think about the going forward parts.
And until both sides recognize and admit that both sides are responsible for the hole we're in, nothing changes...and unfortunately, may get worse.
"both sides" of what?
As in the politicization of a disease.
what are the two "sides"?
I see those who denied it was a problem, the 'just another flu' crowd, those who thought it would go away by April, go away in sunlight, not return in the fall, no need to wear masks crowd...blame it on the Chinese crowd...
and those who thought it was deadly serious and needed to be addressed full-on with science and public health leading the way...sacrifices to normal life being necessary...
Should never have been a Red vs Blue thing, but that IMO was driven by a President who went all-in on the denial side of the ledger, fanned the flames of resistance against the science and public health recommendations.
But perhaps you see this differently?
Before you start with the scoff and ridicule, I agree/acknowledge how much Trump F'd up re Covid...OK? I've said it on here before and went so far at the end of the summer to state that Trump will lose the election due to Covid and his sh!tty response to it.
Now try to consider the message here, not to dismiss based on the messenger. I realize that won't be easy for you.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/o ... s-2188255/
Also, let's recall what was happening the same time we were learning we had a serious problem on our hands. The Ds, Resistance Cult in general, and MSM were 24/7 impeachment (talk about a distraction!) when we all should have been 24/7 Covid. So indirectly I blame the left and left-leaning media's impeachment distraction for the problematic early response to the disease.
From the beginning, IMO, the anti-Trump side has taken every opportunity to pi$$ on everything that the administration did or said re Covid whether justified or not. Why hasn't anyone on the left admitted that science too was taken completely by surprise along with our medical institutions, CDC, WHO, Fauci, etc. Talk about unpreparedness, screw ups, and mixed-messaging!
Also, I completely disagree with your characterization that science was somehow ignored/not trusted when the vaccines were developed under Trump and his administration at a pace not seen before. If you don't realize that their push and funding had everything to do with what may end up saving us, I don't know what else to say.
tech, I thank you for acknowledging that Trump's response was F'd up.
And yes, you are correct that I view Hanson as nothing more than a dishonest right wing propagandist. That piece certainly did not persuade me otherwise.
Your post above is permeated by the propaganda, whether you realize it or not, the angry verbiage like "Resistance Cult" and lots and lots of related BS. I'm sure it must be difficult to break free of all the disinformation, but you're certainly invited to do so.
The notion that the nation should have been laser focused on COVID when we were somehow distracted by Impeachment is a spectacular case of disinformation. Did ANYONE in the Administration with such knowledge, particularly POTUS, tell the nation we had an enormous problem brewing with COVID that we should be paying laser attention to? Nope. In fact, we have tape of Trump privately admitting to the knowledge that it was a very big deal, but choosing to downplay it nevertheless. And then they tacked hard to denial, more and more and more as the months wore on.
And you're going to blame the D's and MSM for thinking Impeachment was important???
The one thing I'd agree about is that any large gatherings, particularly without masks, were potential super spreader events. Didn't matter if it was celebrating a sports championship, or an election result, or a protest, or a political rally, or a concert, big events with people in close proximity were dangerous. Some, however, were filled with people explicitly deciding to not wear masks as a political statement of not giving a sh-t about others, somehow seen as a statement of support of Der Leader. Those were the most dangerous for spread. And, frankly, the least excusable.
EDIT: I meant to acknowledge that the vaccine development was a success...what I think is appalling is the notion that Trump had anything in reality to do with that. Heck, the first vaccine to get through FDA didn't take any federal money...this was a tremendous success for the scientists, for sure...and let's just say that Trump didn't somehow prevent that from happening...good on him. Give him 'credit'. But the planning for actual vaccinations was another FUBAR...painfully, this is really due to the ideological assumption that government, especially the federal gov't, can't do things effectively. And Trump used that ideological bias to avoid responsibility...
But hey, maybe you just think that's more p-ssing on Trump and will ignore it. Or you can break free for the Trump disinformation machine.