Like these brain surgeons..Dmac.
https://youtu.be/W1HGe6TEYHY
I think you're misusing the term...what you find in references to Trumpists (those who support Tump slavishly) are descriptions of the other factors that may lead them to support Der Leader other than the more typical party affiliation sorts of reasons or liberal vs conservative metrics. Gaslighting involves truly "false information'...you see a lot of this from Trump and the Trumpist media talking heads and from QAnon and similar hard right conspiracy mongers. Truth is turned on its head in gaslighting.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:36 amJust do a word search for 'trumpist'...you'll find plenty.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:13 amOK - can you provide a specific example of the type of gaslighting you reference?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:10 amI was speaking in general terms about everyone on the mall that day. Seems around these parts, if you support this past administration in any fashion, you are either a, white supremist, racist, trumpist, or fill in the blank with any negative connotation. The gaslighting done in this forum has gotten worse and worse for merely trying to stay optimistic.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:01 amWhy wouldn't you take to task ANYONE who entered the building illegally, damaged and stole property and caused harm to others?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:53 am Why wait, just crucify them all b/c they they were there in the first place.
Feel free to elaborate on your statement.
Hilarious. Have not seen that before.
Leave it up to...seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:20 amPogrom is still the wrong word.tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:33 amNope... obviously wrong again... Your friend tech defends truth and reality whenever he can find it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:24 amseacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am Yeah, kind of think "pogrom" is not the word for what you think is happening.
ahh well, our friend tech is here to defend the mob.
Speaking of truth...
I'm never one to cherry pick like you and your resistance cult pals like to, but in your usual smug certainty you specifically brought it up other day as supposed debunked rumor:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/1 ... iot-459553
Wonder how many more will surface?
I was the one who first called you on it, tech... "you revealed yourself again" may have been my direct quote.tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:15 amLeave it up to...seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:20 amPogrom is still the wrong word.tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:33 amNope... obviously wrong again... Your friend tech defends truth and reality whenever he can find it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:24 amseacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am Yeah, kind of think "pogrom" is not the word for what you think is happening.
ahh well, our friend tech is here to defend the mob.
Speaking of truth...
I'm never one to cherry pick like you and your resistance cult pals like to, but in your usual smug certainty you specifically brought it up other day as supposed debunked rumor:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/1 ... iot-459553
Wonder how many more will surface?
No need to over complicate it, and, the Urban Dictionary is primary used for slang. It is nothing more than continually manipulating someone, to the point where they feel the need to apologize for something they did not do wrong, sound familiar? You ever done that, of course not? The rub, is most of us around here know and see it happening, those that do it....typically do not realize it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:09 amI think you're misusing the term...what you find in references to Trumpists (those who support Tump slavishly) are descriptions of the other factors that may lead them to support Der Leader other than the more typical party affiliation sorts of reasons or liberal vs conservative metrics. Gaslighting involves truly "false information'...you see a lot of this from Trump and the Trumpist media talking heads and from QAnon and similar hard right conspiracy mongers. Truth is turned on its head in gaslighting.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:36 amJust do a word search for 'trumpist'...you'll find plenty.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:13 amOK - can you provide a specific example of the type of gaslighting you reference?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:10 amI was speaking in general terms about everyone on the mall that day. Seems around these parts, if you support this past administration in any fashion, you are either a, white supremist, racist, trumpist, or fill in the blank with any negative connotation. The gaslighting done in this forum has gotten worse and worse for merely trying to stay optimistic.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:01 amWhy wouldn't you take to task ANYONE who entered the building illegally, damaged and stole property and caused harm to others?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:53 am Why wait, just crucify them all b/c they they were there in the first place.
Feel free to elaborate on your statement.
Sure, the descriptions of what is to be a Trumpist are not salutary, but that doesn't make them not true. There's obviously a heavy dose of white resentment, fear, and yes, strains of white supremacism in Trumpism, indeed Der Leader has welcomed such support, ginned these feelings up. And yes, if you're marching next to those carrying Confederate flags and Nazi symbols, next to those in military style gear chanting racist things, and you don't leave the march or confront those with such symbols, then the stain of their racism is on you...if you don't notice them? Huge dose of white privilege at a minimum.
Optimistic? Please. I'm all for optimism when warranted, just be honest about the issues, just be honest about the problems too.
On "there in the first place", I agree that simply presence on the Mall needn't be 'crucify' worthy (and not against the law), though if you didn't leave when the Capitol was overrun, you sure as heck better be a journalist, not a participant. ALL those who entered the Capitol grounds, much less smashing into the building, broke the law...and they did so to in order to overturn an election. My brother-in-law included. I doubt they will prosecute those not inside the building unless they were involved in specific violence, but they ALL did break the law. And for a seditious purpose.
Urban Dictionary
Gaslighting
A form of intimidation or psychological abuse, sometimes called Ambient Abuse where false information is presented to the victim, making them doubt their own memory, perception and quite often, their sanity. The classic example of gaslighting is to switch something around on someone that you know they're sure to notice, but then deny knowing anything about it, and to explain that they "must be imagining things" when they challenge these changes.
A more psychological definition of gaslighting is "an increasing frequency of systematically withholding factual information from, and/or providing false information to, the victim - having the gradual effect of making them anxious, confused, and less able to trust their own memory and perception.
Your spouse begins telling you things that never really happened. For instance, he says that last week he told you he was going to go to the bar with his buddies this Monday night, but you never remember him telling you that.
Or maybe your boss gets angry because you didn't prepare the report he asked you to. When you remind him that he usually prepares that particular report, he snaps that he told you to take care of it a few days ago because he was too busy. However, you know he never asked you to do so.
Both of these could be considered gaslighting.
Really? That's all you've got? .youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:36 amJust do a word search for 'trumpist'...you'll find plenty.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:13 amOK - can you provide a specific example of the type of gaslighting you reference?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:10 amI was speaking in general terms about everyone on the mall that day. Seems around these parts, if you support this past administration in any fashion, you are either a, white supremist, racist, trumpist, or fill in the blank with any negative connotation. The gaslighting done in this forum has gotten worse and worse for merely trying to stay optimistic.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:01 amWhy wouldn't you take to task ANYONE who entered the building illegally, damaged and stole property and caused harm to others?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:53 am Why wait, just crucify them all b/c they they were there in the first place.
Feel free to elaborate on your statement.
Oops sorry... forgot to include "retentive."MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:18 amI was the one who first called you on it, tech... "you revealed yourself again" may have been my direct quote.tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:15 amLeave it up to...seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:20 amPogrom is still the wrong word.tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:33 amNope... obviously wrong again... Your friend tech defends truth and reality whenever he can find it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:24 amseacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am Yeah, kind of think "pogrom" is not the word for what you think is happening.
ahh well, our friend tech is here to defend the mob.
Speaking of truth...
I'm never one to cherry pick like you and your resistance cult pals like to, but in your usual smug certainty you specifically brought it up other day as supposed debunked rumor:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/1 ... iot-459553
Wonder how many more will surface?
An now "anal lawyer"...yup, you reveal yourself in nearly every post.
You're way out of bounds on this one, IMO.
Pogrom is still the wrong word.tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:38 amOops sorry... forgot to include "retentive."MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:18 amI was the one who first called you on it, tech... "you revealed yourself again" may have been my direct quote.tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:15 amLeave it up to...seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:20 amPogrom is still the wrong word.tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:33 amNope... obviously wrong again... Your friend tech defends truth and reality whenever he can find it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:24 amseacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am Yeah, kind of think "pogrom" is not the word for what you think is happening.
ahh well, our friend tech is here to defend the mob.
Speaking of truth...
I'm never one to cherry pick like you and your resistance cult pals like to, but in your usual smug certainty you specifically brought it up other day as supposed debunked rumor:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/1 ... iot-459553
Wonder how many more will surface?
An now "anal lawyer"...yup, you reveal yourself in nearly every post.
You're way out of bounds on this one, IMO.
I am proud to say that in my lifetime, I have yet to take a “selfie”.
ok, you think there's a definition better than the one I shared...it's a term psychologists and psychiatrists use, here's a description for wikipedia..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslightingyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:23 amNo need to over complicate it, and, the Urban Dictionary is primary used for slang. It is nothing more than continually manipulating someone, to the point where they feel the need to apologize for something they did not do wrong, sound familiar? You ever done that, of course not? The rub, is most of us around here know and see it happening, those that do it....typically do not realize it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:09 amI think you're misusing the term...what you find in references to Trumpists (those who support Tump slavishly) are descriptions of the other factors that may lead them to support Der Leader other than the more typical party affiliation sorts of reasons or liberal vs conservative metrics. Gaslighting involves truly "false information'...you see a lot of this from Trump and the Trumpist media talking heads and from QAnon and similar hard right conspiracy mongers. Truth is turned on its head in gaslighting.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:36 amJust do a word search for 'trumpist'...you'll find plenty.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:13 amOK - can you provide a specific example of the type of gaslighting you reference?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:10 amI was speaking in general terms about everyone on the mall that day. Seems around these parts, if you support this past administration in any fashion, you are either a, white supremist, racist, trumpist, or fill in the blank with any negative connotation. The gaslighting done in this forum has gotten worse and worse for merely trying to stay optimistic.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:01 amWhy wouldn't you take to task ANYONE who entered the building illegally, damaged and stole property and caused harm to others?youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:53 am Why wait, just crucify them all b/c they they were there in the first place.
Feel free to elaborate on your statement.
Sure, the descriptions of what is to be a Trumpist are not salutary, but that doesn't make them not true. There's obviously a heavy dose of white resentment, fear, and yes, strains of white supremacism in Trumpism, indeed Der Leader has welcomed such support, ginned these feelings up. And yes, if you're marching next to those carrying Confederate flags and Nazi symbols, next to those in military style gear chanting racist things, and you don't leave the march or confront those with such symbols, then the stain of their racism is on you...if you don't notice them? Huge dose of white privilege at a minimum.
Optimistic? Please. I'm all for optimism when warranted, just be honest about the issues, just be honest about the problems too.
On "there in the first place", I agree that simply presence on the Mall needn't be 'crucify' worthy (and not against the law), though if you didn't leave when the Capitol was overrun, you sure as heck better be a journalist, not a participant. ALL those who entered the Capitol grounds, much less smashing into the building, broke the law...and they did so to in order to overturn an election. My brother-in-law included. I doubt they will prosecute those not inside the building unless they were involved in specific violence, but they ALL did break the law. And for a seditious purpose.
Urban Dictionary
Gaslighting
A form of intimidation or psychological abuse, sometimes called Ambient Abuse where false information is presented to the victim, making them doubt their own memory, perception and quite often, their sanity. The classic example of gaslighting is to switch something around on someone that you know they're sure to notice, but then deny knowing anything about it, and to explain that they "must be imagining things" when they challenge these changes.
A more psychological definition of gaslighting is "an increasing frequency of systematically withholding factual information from, and/or providing false information to, the victim - having the gradual effect of making them anxious, confused, and less able to trust their own memory and perception.
Your spouse begins telling you things that never really happened. For instance, he says that last week he told you he was going to go to the bar with his buddies this Monday night, but you never remember him telling you that.
Or maybe your boss gets angry because you didn't prepare the report he asked you to. When you remind him that he usually prepares that particular report, he snaps that he told you to take care of it a few days ago because he was too busy. However, you know he never asked you to do so.
Both of these could be considered gaslighting.
if by that it is meant just by myself, me too, (who wants to look at just me? ) but definitely will admit that on occasion I've done so with others...not handing our phones to a stranger in some quick circumstances of just fun.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:51 amI am proud to say that in my lifetime, I have yet to take a “selfie”.
I am old school. When traveling I use a good camera and usually ask someone that looks like a tourist ( a camera around their neck is a good sign) to take pictures of my group for me (pre-covid) The downside is that I am not in many of our vacation photos!MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:59 amif by that it is meant just by myself, me too, but definitely will admit that on occasion I've done so with others...not handing our phones to a stranger in some quick circumstances of just fun.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:51 amI am proud to say that in my lifetime, I have yet to take a “selfie”.
euchre!seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:42 amPogrom is still the wrong word.tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:38 amOops sorry... forgot to include "retentive."MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:18 amI was the one who first called you on it, tech... "you revealed yourself again" may have been my direct quote.tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:15 amLeave it up to...seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:20 amPogrom is still the wrong word.tech37 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:33 amNope... obviously wrong again... Your friend tech defends truth and reality whenever he can find it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:24 amseacoaster wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 am Yeah, kind of think "pogrom" is not the word for what you think is happening.
ahh well, our friend tech is here to defend the mob.
Speaking of truth...
I'm never one to cherry pick like you and your resistance cult pals like to, but in your usual smug certainty you specifically brought it up other day as supposed debunked rumor:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/1 ... iot-459553
Wonder how many more will surface?
An now "anal lawyer"...yup, you reveal yourself in nearly every post.
You're way out of bounds on this one, IMO.
Interesting, at first I thought it was quite smart, then as I watched all those officers leave, I was like What the heck...he just gave the people what they wanted.6x6 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:26 am A video I hadn’t seen before of a Lt. with the CP wearing a MAGA hat. If you haven’t seen it before watch till the end, interesting.
https://www.wsj.com/video/why-capitol-p ... EFB33.html
If he'd gotten a call from the cops in riot gear holding the line that they'd been overwhelmed and were in danger of losing their lives, had no ability to fall back without a rescue, then it was a very smart play. And ultimately should be applauded.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:44 amInteresting, at first I thought it was quite smart, then as I watched all those officers leave, I was like What the heck...he just gave the people what they wanted.6x6 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:26 am A video I hadn’t seen before of a Lt. with the CP wearing a MAGA hat. If you haven’t seen it before watch till the end, interesting.
https://www.wsj.com/video/why-capitol-p ... EFB33.html
Would love to hear more on this story for sure.