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ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:25 pmI am the second coming. Prove me wrong? Have you treated me with kindness? Others? blocking on twitter is not being nice. I said so. I am the second coming. The book of Vous-ithians, spoken by Purple Pizza and whomever kept slashing Boomers bronco's tires, with that TERPQB new york tag.........well, that book said I am the second coming, and respect the poor. And social justice isn't bruce jenner winning the ironwoman, over 60 grouping. and banning me for not saying its his female name, but competing as a female. But, anyone that can polevault, has my respect. always.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:17 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:22 pm The exodus from New York continues under the left's leadership.

Deblasio and Cuomo are running all the big earners out and down to Florida.

But the good news is the corona numbers should improve now.
Ever consider the tax code being weaponized with the mortgage interest deduction cap had something to do with the net migration from expensive coastal cities (which I guess includes Atlanta even though it’s not close to the coast)? Or that these actions will have the implications of spreading and assimilating the political philosophy yo these other places as you applaud this movement?
I'm not applauding it. But it's always been that way.

I have lefty inlaws who were scared of living in MD due to tax levels. They moved to FL.
MDers in the counties bordering the Mason Dixon left a few years ago for lower taxes in PA (which has since backfired for them).
CA residents are fleeing for TX and AZ.

Shockingly, what states are now "in play" for democrats?

PA, TX, AZ, FL
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I am the second coming. Prove me wrong? Have you treated me with kindness? Others? blocking on twitter is not being nice. I said so. I am the second coming. The book of Vous-ithians, spoken by Purple Pizza and whomever kept slashing Boomers bronco's tires, with that TERPQB new york tag.........well, that book said I am the second coming, and respect the poor. And social justice isn't bruce jenner winning the ironwoman, over 60 grouping. and banning me for not saying its his female name, but competing as a female. But, anyone that can polevault, has my respect. always
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kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:11 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:17 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:22 pm The exodus from New York continues under the left's leadership.

Deblasio and Cuomo are running all the big earners out and down to Florida.

But the good news is the corona numbers should improve now.
Ever consider the tax code being weaponized with the mortgage interest deduction cap had something to do with the net migration from expensive coastal cities (which I guess includes Atlanta even though it’s not close to the coast)? Or that these actions will have the implications of spreading and assimilating the political philosophy yo these other places as you applaud this movement?
I'm not applauding it. But it's always been that way.

I have lefty inlaws who were scared of living in MD due to tax levels. They moved to FL.
MDers in the counties bordering the Mason Dixon left a few years ago for lower taxes in PA (which has since backfired for them).
CA residents are fleeing for TX and AZ.

Shockingly, what states are now "in play" for democrats?

PA, TX, AZ, FL
So are you unaware that a mortgage interest cap was instated in the last tax code change? That’s 2017-2018, not “it’s always been that way”. There’s a difference between David Tepper or Carl Icahn and their 25-50 employees to FL from NY (or NJ in teppers case) and the couple with two kids working low mid level management jobs, average college degrees and two kids trying to make it work in WestChester, Suffolk Co, Rockland, Putnam, Duchess, etc making $150-$200k and they lose that $5-$10k ($400-$800/mo in escrow) delta between $10k and 15-20k in property taxes on a $700k-$1.25mm home. That’s the cohort that can’t handle NYC anymore and it was done by the specific actions purposefully included in the tax code to “stick it to liberal cities”.

I’m quite aware of tax cost differentials. Know people that lived in Nh, PA or De and went to Boys Latin. Are you familiar with the correlation to highly developed urban planning (subway/public transportations), public (hs) education rankings nationally and density, along with other variables and state credit ratings? Do you think the roads in South Carolina are better than Pennsy or NY?

Better yet, having lived in numerous spots on the east coast, Pope and Walton HS are two of the best in the state of Ga. Both in Cobb Co where my in laws have a 7,700sq Ft house on 2ac split between those two schools (wife went to Pope) and currently pay around the same as I do for .23ac, 2,300sq ft house (old blt 1910) in near the Jimmy Carter center in town. Except the Cobb Co public schools are so overcrowded with growth that kids are going to school in modular home type trailers, they pissed $400mm away in bond funding for a new Braves stadium that isn’t even in Atlanta dumping the nice not that old one, A 15-20 mi commute which was once a half hour is often 1:30 now (each way, to go way less than 30mi). Those taxes are going up while quality of living is coming down by the year. Same in FL and everywhere else. The migration and population increase has to come with more spending on infrastructure and it’s a hell of a lot harder to build a subway after a City is built than during (see 2nd ave line history in NYC). over a few decades watch how things change demographically in your precious states.
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If Democrats were so damned smart, they should just move a few hundred thousand people from CA to WY, ND, MT and SD.

8 senate seats and 12 electoral college votes flipped in an instant.
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holmes435 wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:56 pm If Democrats were so damned smart, they should just move a few hundred thousand people from CA to WY, ND, MT and SD.

8 senate seats and 12 electoral college votes flipped in an instant.
That'll never happen, they'd have to actually support themselves in the wide open country, plus there aren't enough buildings and cities to protest in where they could get away with it. ;) Although I would not against Texas turning blue in 5-10 years.
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:59 pm
holmes435 wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:56 pm If Democrats were so damned smart, they should just move a few hundred thousand people from CA to WY, ND, MT and SD.

8 senate seats and 12 electoral college votes flipped in an instant.
That'll never happen, they'd have to actually support themselves in the wide open country, plus there aren't enough buildings and cities to protest in where they could get away with it. ;) Although I would not against Texas turning blue in 5-10 years.
What about my friend in NYC who build HforH homes and hunts and is all about using all of the animal but is also liberal as hell on a number of topics? Dude has forearms the size of the thigh of a D1 running back and the threshold Of mongo (blazing saddles) for pain. Think he couldn’t handle Wyoming?
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:16 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:59 pm
holmes435 wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:56 pm If Democrats were so damned smart, they should just move a few hundred thousand people from CA to WY, ND, MT and SD.

8 senate seats and 12 electoral college votes flipped in an instant.
That'll never happen, they'd have to actually support themselves in the wide open country, plus there aren't enough buildings and cities to protest in where they could get away with it. ;) Although I would not bet against Texas turning blue in 5-10 years.
What about my friend in NYC who build HforH homes and hunts and is all about using all of the animal but is also liberal as hell on a number of topics? Dude has forearms the size of the thigh of a D1 running back and the threshold Of mongo (blazing saddles) for pain. Think he couldn’t handle Wyoming?
It was a joke, I was referring to those skinny jean guys. ;)
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Oh yeah, I can’t stand them either. You’re taking about the ones who think they discovered folk music, ride around on tricycles while trying to learn to play the banjo in outfits from an 1800s steamship and handlebar mustaches right? They suck worse than an enema applied with a sandpaper exterior
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dislaxxic wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 11:23 am
ABV 8.3% wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:25 pmI am the second coming. Prove me wrong? Have you treated me with kindness? Others? blocking on twitter is not being nice. I said so. I am the second coming. The book of Vous-ithians, spoken by Purple Pizza and whomever kept slashing Boomers bronco's tires, with that TERPQB new york tag.........well, that book said I am the second coming, and respect the poor. And social justice isn't bruce jenner winning the ironwoman, over 60 grouping. and banning me for not saying its his female name, but competing as a female. But, anyone that can polevault, has my respect. always.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/us/p ... crats.html

"President Trump visited Montana four times in 2018 as part of the Republican Party’s attempt at unseating Senator Jon Tester. It didn’t work: Mr. Tester was re-elected that year to a third term.

But last month Mr. Tester’s Republican colleague from Montana, Senator Steve Daines, rolled to re-election against a formidable and well-funded Democratic rival, Gov. Steve Bullock.

Why did Mr. Tester prevail while Mr. Bullock lost? And more to the point, why do most Democrats keep faring so poorly in rural America?

Mr. Tester, a farmer from Big Sandy, Mont. — and the only full-time farmer in the Senate — has a few ideas. He lays them out at length in his new book, “Grounded: A Senator’s Lessons on Winning Back Rural America,” a memoir that doubles as a policy manifesto.

He also discussed his views in a recent interview with The New York Times. Here are edited excerpts from the conversation.

Beyond President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, which is no small thing, this was a difficult year for your party, and especially in rural areas. Why?

I think showing up is a fundamental rule of politics, and I don’t know that we showed up. Because of Covid, we didn’t show up on the campaign trail. And in a state like Montana, you have to give people a reason to vote for you or they’ll vote Republican — they’ll default to Republican. And I think that hurt us greatly in 2020. The Republicans, for the most part, didn’t see the pandemic as near as a threat to health as some of the Democrats did.

Do you think that the images of riots and arson in American cities may have motivated rural folks to vote for Republicans more than the people who actually lived in some of those cities?

Yes. And then what we didn’t do is we didn’t respond to them. We didn’t come out with strong advertisements saying: “Rioting, burglary, is not demonstration and it’s not acceptable. And you’d be punished by the full extent of the court if I’m in a position of leadership.” We didn’t come out with a very strong pushback on that, and certainly wasn’t timely when it was time.

How do you balance support for law enforcement with accountability for police officers who break the law?

You approach it from a standpoint that we’re going to do our level best to make sure we have the best-trained folks that we can on the beat, whether you’re in Big Sandy, or Great Falls, or wherever you’re at in the state of Montana.

And I think the whole idea about defunding police is not just bad messaging, but just insane. And I’ll tell you why. The area where we have the greatest poverty in the state of Montana is Indian Country. And where do we need more police officers than anywhere else? Indian Country. I mean, that’s a fact. Because of poverty, crime is more prevalent. We need more police officers, not less.

Can Democrats go on the offensive in rural America?

Democrats can really do some positive things in rural America just by talking about infrastructure and what they’re doing for infrastructure, particularly in the area of broadband. And then I would say one other policy issue is how some Republicans want to basically privatize public education. That is very dangerous, and I think it’s a point that people don’t want to see their public schools close down in Montana.

Is the issue for Democrats in rural areas the appeal of President Trump, or is this a longer-term structural problem for the party?

There’s no doubt about it, he has an appeal in rural America. I can’t figure it out, but there’s no denying it.

But I will also tell you I think there’s a long-term structural issue. And by the way, I’ve had this conversation with Chuck Schumer [the Senate Democratic leader] several times — that we have to do a better job developing a message so that rural Americans can say, “Yeah, those guys, they think like I do.” Because that’s what Trump has right now.

I can go into the list of things that might be insane about this president, but the truth is that rural people connect more with a millionaire from New York City than they do with the Democrats that are in national positions.

So that tells me our message is really, really flawed, because I certainly don’t see it that way.

We do not have a — what do I want to say — a well-designed way to get our message out utilizing our entire caucus. So we need to do more of that. You cannot have Chuck Schumer talking rural issues to rural people; it ain’t gonna sell. And quite frankly, I don’t know that you can have Jon Tester go talk to a bunch of rich people and tell them what they need to be doing.

Some Democrats believe they are never going to establish a durable Senate majority because of the nature of every state having two senators and the party’s difficulties with rural voters. When you hear that, does that tick you off?

Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does.

Why?

Because the problem isn’t that the country’s skewed against the Democrats; the problem is that the Democrats have not done a very good job talking about what we believe in.

If there’s one mistake that is made way, way, way too often by folks in public service, it’s that you walk into a room and who does most of the talking? The senator.

Now, some forums that’s what the people want. But for the most part if you’re in a town hall, and you let people tell you what they’re thinking, let them tell you what’s going on — and then search into your mental database to find out if there’s anything that we’ve done to help solve that problem — then maybe you can have a conversation. But to walk in and say, “You need to think this, and this is what I believe is the right thing to think,” that switch goes off.

In 2008 Barack Obama cracked 40 percent of the vote in a lot of rural America. Flash forward 12 years and Joe Biden is in the 20s in some of these counties. At this time 10 years ago, South Dakota had one Democratic senator, North Dakota had two, Montana had two. What has happened in about 10 years’ time?

You know where Barack Obama spent Fourth of July in 2008?

Butte.

Butte, Mont. He showed up. Now, he didn’t win much in it, but he did a hell of a lot better than people thought he was going to do because he showed up.

What has happened in Montana as far as losing Max Baucus’s seat, and in North Dakota and in South Dakota, I think speaks to the fact that we’re not speaking to rural America. And look, Steve Bullock lost [this year’s Senate race in Montana] for a number of reasons. One was they nationalized it. They totally nationalized his race. They tried to do it to me, too. What I had that Steve didn’t have was there wasn’t a damn pandemic, and I could go out. And we did, man. We showed people that I was not A.O.C., for Christ’s sake.

You said, “Our party should stand for three words: ‘opportunity for everyone.’” Democrats always complain that they can’t distill their message onto a bumper sticker. But that’s three words — could that fit on a sticker?

Yeah, it could — it could work, yeah. It means you take care of the folks who need help, you give them opportunity.

In your book, you challenge Donald Trump Jr. to a day of “pickin’ rock” on your farm. Does your offer still stand?

You’re goddamn right.

You lost your home county in 2018 even though you exceeded 50 percent statewide. Did that personally sting you, and does that speak to the larger structural problems facing the party?

Look, for sure. I mean, yeah, I would love to win my home county, but it is very red.

How much of that is just people living on Facebook?

It is a big part of it, right? I’ve got good friends of mine, I might add, really, really good friends of mine, lifelong friends, that quite frankly say stuff that I go: “Really? That’s what you think? That’s crazy.”

When you started in state politics in 1998, I’m guessing that you had many more weekly and daily papers in Montana. And now people are getting their news from Facebook every morning.

That’s exactly right. That’s exactly right. And all from people that have the same view.

Your seat was once held by Mike Mansfield, the former Senate Democratic leader, whose tombstone at Arlington National Cemetery simply reads, “Pvt., U.S. Marine Corps.” Do you think any of your Senate colleagues will have a tombstone that modest?

[Laughs] Hopefully my tombstone will say “Jon Tester …”

“Farmer?”

“Farmer.”
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Aren't they all just sweet angles....yea, they do not push or incite violence or threats to those to whom they disagree...even a sitting president is threatened by an elected officials. Pot, Meet kettle.

Nice little montage someone put together....
https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/stat ... 18208?s=20

and another: over 600 rallies with no violence. https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status ... 09728?s=20
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:10 pm Aren't they all just sweet angles....yea, they do not push or incite violence or threats to those to whom they disagree...even a sitting president is threatened by an elected officials. Pot, Meet kettle.
You understand the logic fail here, right? This montage is implying that what the people said here was wrong, and "they did it, too".

You understand that this means that you and the guy who put the video together know that what Trump said was wrong, correct?

Act accordingly.
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a fan wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:25 pm Act accordingly.
Exactly the point, if only they'd listen.
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a fan wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:25 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:10 pm Aren't they all just sweet angles....yea, they do not push or incite violence or threats to those to whom they disagree...even a sitting president is threatened by an elected officials. Pot, Meet kettle.
You understand the logic fail here, right? This montage is implying that what the people said here was wrong, and "they did it, too".

You understand that this means that you and the guy who put the video together know that what Trump said was wrong, correct?

Act accordingly.
Would you happen to know who made those comments at a rally they participated in and then suggested, along with other speakers, that the crowd walk down the street and breach the Capitol to try to interrupt certifying a us election....while lying about fraud? Also let me know who spoke and 5 people sustained injuries that resulted in death an hour later.
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:10 pm and another: over 600 rallies with no violence. https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status ... 09728?s=20
A tourist is backpacking through the highlands of Scotland and he stops at a pub to get a drink. The only people in there is a bartender and an old man nursing a beer. And he orders a pint. They sit in silence for awhile, then suddenly the old man turns to him and says, “You see this bar? I built this bar with my bare hands. Found the finest wood in the county. Gave it more love and care than my own child, but do they call me McGregor the Bar Builder? No.”

Points out the window. “You see that stone wall out there? I built that stone wall with my bare hands. Found every stone, placed them just so through the rain and the cold, but do they call me McGregor the Stone Wall Builder? No.”

Points out the other window. “You see that pier on the lake out there. I built pier with my bare hands. Drove the pilings against the tide and the sand, plank by plank by plank, but do they call me McGregor the Pier Builder? No.”

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holmes435 wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:39 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:10 pm and another: over 600 rallies with no violence. https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status ... 09728?s=20
A tourist is backpacking through the highlands of Scotland and he stops at a pub to get a drink. The only people in there is a bartender and an old man nursing a beer. And he orders a pint. They sit in silence for awhile, then suddenly the old man turns to him and says, “You see this bar? I built this bar with my bare hands. Found the finest wood in the county. Gave it more love and care than my own child, but do they call me McGregor the Bar Builder? No.”

Points out the window. “You see that stone wall out there? I built that stone wall with my bare hands. Found every stone, placed them just so through the rain and the cold, but do they call me McGregor the Stone Wall Builder? No.”

Points out the other window. “You see that pier on the lake out there. I built pier with my bare hands. Drove the pilings against the tide and the sand, plank by plank by plank, but do they call me McGregor the Pier Builder? No.”

“But you f@$k one sheep…”
:lol: Love that story....and so very true.
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https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/arti ... 880918.php

This gives me a little bit of leeway to be able to accuse MD lax fan of being guilty of institutional racism. Shame on you, what a despicable white racist you really are. Your rich on top of it all... sarcasm font is on ;) Time for you to pony up some bling bling to make up for all the bad things you and your white run state have done. I thought this womans conclusions were justified in some respect and exaggerated in others. It is hard for me to see a gentleman like MD Lax condoning such behavior over decades in his own state. So who has dropped the ball on this in your state MD? What this Maryland House speaker has to say about the history of your state over the last decades in not very flattering.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:16 am https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/arti ... 880918.php

This gives me a little bit of leeway to be able to accuse MD lax fan of being guilty of institutional racism. Shame on you, what a despicable white racist you really are. Your rich on top of it all... sarcasm font is on ;) Time for you to pony up some bling bling to make up for all the bad things you and your white run state have done. I thought this womans conclusions were justified in some respect and exaggerated in others. It is hard for me to see a gentleman like MD Lax condoning such behavior over decades in his own state. So who has dropped the ball on this in your state MD? What this Maryland House speaker has to say about the history of your state over the last decades in not very flattering.
Maryland is explained much like the long running cities.....the problem became circular; both sides needed each other, only difference the politicians were in it for different reasons.

I don't blame this woman, but she has her hands full. Maryland is blessed with DC as our neighbor and the state/feds employee a very large population of blacks...majority live in PG County. PGC was gerrymandered decades and decades ago, as urban sprawl grew its legs....but those in charge were certain to keep certain districts in check...mainly those that were just outside the city. IMO, she does have a legitimate gripe about a few things...but it sure ain't all bad in Md, she too is taking advantage of current events.

This article is quite in-depth in showing how sneaky and complex gerrymandering can be.
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