I hadn’t heard 7 people died. Do you have their ages?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
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the problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
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it IS now TEN. As in 10 dead from the covid vaccine.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:12 pmI hadn’t heard 7 people died. Do you have their ages?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
The VAERS link has been updated.
You can sort my manufacturer too.....maybe demographics.
of COURSE you haven't HEARD that 10 people have died as a result of taking YOUR vaxx.
why don't you know about this?
This is not bullcrap data from some infotainment industry profit driven wallstreet loving......this is data from VAERS.
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
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And I've heard that a very large percentage of medical professionals are opting out and NOT getting the vaccine.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... afe383f6af
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/many- ... KXBTDXK2Q/
https://www.woodtv.com/covid-19-vaccine ... 9-vaccine/
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... afe383f6af
The desperately awaited vaccination drive against the coronavirus in the U.S. is running into resistance from an unlikely quarter: Surprising numbers of health care workers who have seen firsthand the death and misery inflicted by COVID-19 are refusing shots.
It is happening in nursing homes and, to a lesser degree, in hospitals, with employees expressing what experts say are unfounded fears of side effects from vaccines that were developed at record speed. More than three weeks into the campaign, some places are seeing as much as 80% of the staff holding back.
“I don’t think anyone wants to be a guinea pig,” said Dr. Stephen Noble, a 42-year-old cardiothoracic surgeon in Portland, Oregon, who is postponing getting vaccinated. “At the end of the day, as a man of science, I just want to see what the data show. And give me the full data.”
Alarmed by the phenomenon, some administrators have dangled everything from free breakfasts at Waffle House to a raffle for a car to get employees to roll up their sleeves. Some states have threatened to let other people cut ahead of health care workers in the line for shots.
“It’s far too low. It’s alarmingly low,” said Neil Pruitt, CEO of PruittHealth, which runs about 100 long-term care homes in the South, where fewer than 3 in 10 workers offered the vaccine so far have accepted it.
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/many- ... KXBTDXK2Q/
https://www.woodtv.com/covid-19-vaccine ... 9-vaccine/
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Do you have their ages? I believe that was my question.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:18 pmit IS now TEN. As in 10 dead from the covid vaccine.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:12 pmI hadn’t heard 7 people died. Do you have their ages?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
The VAERS link has been updated.
You can sort my manufacturer too.....maybe demographics.
of COURSE you haven't HEARD that 10 people have died as a result of taking YOUR vaxx.
why don't you know about this?
This is not bullcrap data from some infotainment industry profit driven wallstreet loving......this is data from VAERS.
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
EDIT: you can post your answer here.
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sunny news dept...
for now 2 or 3 days, total hospitalizations are down from the 7 day average:
https://mobile.twitter.com/COVID19Track ... 0411128832
a number of states are taking it hard and still spiraling, but collectively a crest?
also -- vaxxes out are now over 20 million, and into arms at 9 million with likely still a 3-5 day lag. last estimates were 50 million delivered by end of month. there is also this:
CDC expands Covid vaccine guidelines to everyone 65 and older
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/12/covid-v ... idappshare
maybe we shoulda done this after nursing homes in the first several days. oh, well. there are 54 million over 65. considering the non-vaxxers even in this group, and depending on which comorbitities qualify, we may be looking at the end of february for most 65s+ to have had their chance at shot 1 by the end of feb. hopefully, the logistics even with larger numbers can somehow smooth. doubt it's going to indiv docs, drive thru centers maybe?
then we're looking at march approval if it comes from jnj.
for now 2 or 3 days, total hospitalizations are down from the 7 day average:
https://mobile.twitter.com/COVID19Track ... 0411128832
a number of states are taking it hard and still spiraling, but collectively a crest?
also -- vaxxes out are now over 20 million, and into arms at 9 million with likely still a 3-5 day lag. last estimates were 50 million delivered by end of month. there is also this:
CDC expands Covid vaccine guidelines to everyone 65 and older
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/12/covid-v ... idappshare
maybe we shoulda done this after nursing homes in the first several days. oh, well. there are 54 million over 65. considering the non-vaxxers even in this group, and depending on which comorbitities qualify, we may be looking at the end of february for most 65s+ to have had their chance at shot 1 by the end of feb. hopefully, the logistics even with larger numbers can somehow smooth. doubt it's going to indiv docs, drive thru centers maybe?
then we're looking at march approval if it comes from jnj.
Re: Remarkable #
maybe. what are choices?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:16 pmthe problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
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The sooner we get it more widely distributed the better. We will know where we are next fall. If the numbers are 1/3 of what they were this past fall, I will take that as a good sign that the coast is clearer.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:26 pm sunny news dept...
for now 2 or 3 days, total hospitalizations are down from the 7 day average:
https://mobile.twitter.com/COVID19Track ... 0411128832
a number of states are taking it hard and still spiraling, but collectively a crest?
also -- vaxxes out are now over 20 million, and into arms at 9 million with likely still a 3-5 day lag. last estimates were 50 million delivered by end of month. there is also this:
CDC expands Covid vaccine guidelines to everyone 65 and older
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/12/covid-v ... idappshare
maybe we shoulda done this after nursing homes in the first several days. oh, well. there are 54 million over 65. considering the non-vaxxers even in this group, and depending on which comorbitities qualify, we may be looking at the end of february for most 65s+ to have had their chance at shot 1 by the end of feb. hopefully, the logistics even with larger numbers can somehow smooth. doubt it's going to indiv docs, drive thru centers maybe?
then we're looking at march approval if it comes from jnj.
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I was looking at that. It does not give the results from the search however. Do you know how to get to the cause of death? I see 7 from pfizer and 3 from moderna but can not find out the actual causes of the deaths.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:18 pmit IS now TEN. As in 10 dead from the covid vaccine.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:12 pmI hadn’t heard 7 people died. Do you have their ages?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
The VAERS link has been updated.
You can sort my manufacturer too.....maybe demographics.
of COURSE you haven't HEARD that 10 people have died as a result of taking YOUR vaxx.
why don't you know about this?
This is not bullcrap data from some infotainment industry profit driven wallstreet loving......this is data from VAERS.
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
It is not unheard of that thrombocytopenia to cause death in children in very rare occasions after being vaccinated for MMR. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1884189/
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this has been the case from the beginning.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:20 pm And I've heard that a very large percentage of medical professionals are opting out and NOT getting the vaccine.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... afe383f6af
The desperately awaited vaccination drive against the coronavirus in the U.S. is running into resistance from an unlikely quarter: Surprising numbers of health care workers who have seen firsthand the death and misery inflicted by COVID-19 are refusing shots.
It is happening in nursing homes and, to a lesser degree, in hospitals, with employees expressing what experts say are unfounded fears of side effects from vaccines that were developed at record speed. More than three weeks into the campaign, some places are seeing as much as 80% of the staff holding back.
“I don’t think anyone wants to be a guinea pig,” said Dr. Stephen Noble, a 42-year-old cardiothoracic surgeon in Portland, Oregon, who is postponing getting vaccinated. “At the end of the day, as a man of science, I just want to see what the data show. And give me the full data.”
Alarmed by the phenomenon, some administrators have dangled everything from free breakfasts at Waffle House to a raffle for a car to get employees to roll up their sleeves. Some states have threatened to let other people cut ahead of health care workers in the line for shots.
“It’s far too low. It’s alarmingly low,” said Neil Pruitt, CEO of PruittHealth, which runs about 100 long-term care homes in the South, where fewer than 3 in 10 workers offered the vaccine so far have accepted it.
https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/many- ... KXBTDXK2Q/
https://www.woodtv.com/covid-19-vaccine ... 9-vaccine/
and you're not going to have an effective waffle house giveaway until you open up the bars.
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There are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:28 pmmaybe. what are choices?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:16 pmthe problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
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sorry.....wish I could screen shot it
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... B102DBC885
of the 11 deaths (thought they only updated it on Fridays) all fit in the usual demographic......older.
9 dead that were 65+
never bored enough to dissect the VAERS data and what this means.
Not sure why age matters, anyhow.
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... B102DBC885
of the 11 deaths (thought they only updated it on Fridays) all fit in the usual demographic......older.
9 dead that were 65+
never bored enough to dissect the VAERS data and what this means.
Not sure why age matters, anyhow.
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here is the math on it in case those were all cause deaths, and every single one of them was because of the vaccine:runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:18 pmit IS now TEN. As in 10 dead from the covid vaccine.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:12 pmI hadn’t heard 7 people died. Do you have their ages?wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
The VAERS link has been updated.
You can sort my manufacturer too.....maybe demographics.
of COURSE you haven't HEARD that 10 people have died as a result of taking YOUR vaxx.
why don't you know about this?
This is not bullcrap data from some infotainment industry profit driven wallstreet loving......this is data from VAERS.
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
- one assumption - the average number of days someone has had a shot is one week
10 deaths/ 9 million = 367 deaths / 330 million per week. × 52 weeks = 19,063 deaths per year. all caused by the vax but the vax saves 2,831,000 lives per year from our otherwise 2.85 million rate.
cures everything else. and we all grow old together.
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Did someone post that it matters not, to the vaxx?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:37 pmThere are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:28 pmmaybe. what are choices?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:16 pmthe problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
The vaxx will take on all V19 variants....and kick it's arse.
this IS the science, right? geez
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Thanks. I appreciate the effort.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:41 pm sorry.....wish I could screen shot it
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... B102DBC885
of the 11 deaths (thought they only updated it on Fridays) all fit in the usual demographic......older.
9 dead that were 65+
never bored enough to dissect the VAERS data and what this means.
Not sure why age matters, anyhow.
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so hypothesis.. 100 million infected, 140 million vaccinated out of 330. virus needs to get more transmissable to survive and maybe less deadly?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:37 pmThere are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:28 pmmaybe. what are choices?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:16 pmthe problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
unless it morphs quick enough to render both ineffective.
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I'm sorry I do not understand what you are getting at?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:43 pmDid someone post that it matters not, to the vaxx?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:37 pmThere are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:28 pmmaybe. what are choices?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:16 pmthe problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
The vaxx will take on all V19 variants....and kick it's arse.
this IS the science, right? geez
At some point there may be enough drift that the vaccine will loose its efficacy. Is that what you are getting at?
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Now THAT's spitballin'! Yeah, if I where a virus and I could mutate in a direction I'd probably move in that direction. I'd rather not kill off my host.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:45 pmso hypothesis.. 100 million infected, 140 million vaccinated out of 330. virus needs to get more transmissable to survive and maybe less deadly?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:37 pmThere are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:28 pmmaybe. what are choices?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:16 pmthe problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
unless it morphs quick enough to render both ineffective.
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at some point as fatigue continues, the wait-and-see crowd is going to shrink. sure, there'll be people that see one death or 10 or 366 deaths as a major problem, but we'll be left with more anti-vaxxers than anything.Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:49 pmNow THAT's spitballin'! Yeah, if I where a virus and I could mutate in a direction I'd probably move in that direction. I'd rather not kill off my host.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:45 pmso hypothesis.. 100 million infected, 140 million vaccinated out of 330. virus needs to get more transmissable to survive and maybe less deadly?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:37 pmThere are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:28 pmmaybe. what are choices?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:16 pmthe problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
unless it morphs quick enough to render both ineffective.
especially if we get genetric drift on a more transmissable virus like i said we will.
add restrictions that aren't going away yesterday and an active numbers count for politicos to pull up on their phones.
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Seems like a reasonable hypothesis to me.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:56 pmat some point as fatigue continues, the wait-and-see crowd is going to shrink. sure, there'll be people that see one death or 10 or 366 deaths as a major problem, but we'll be left with more anti-vaxxers than anything.Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:49 pmNow THAT's spitballin'! Yeah, if I where a virus and I could mutate in a direction I'd probably move in that direction. I'd rather not kill off my host.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:45 pmso hypothesis.. 100 million infected, 140 million vaccinated out of 330. virus needs to get more transmissable to survive and maybe less deadly?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:37 pmThere are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:28 pmmaybe. what are choices?Bart wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:16 pmthe problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:04 pmi couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?runrussellrun wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:47 am Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F
I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.
the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.
unless it morphs quick enough to render both ineffective.
especially if we get genetric drift on a more transmissable virus like i said we will.
add restrictions that aren't going away yesterday and an active numbers count for politicos to pull up on their phones.