All things CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

I hadn’t heard 7 people died. Do you have their ages?

[Bart]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

the problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.

[runrussellrun]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

I hadn’t heard 7 people died. Do you have their ages?

it IS now TEN. As in 10 dead from the covid vaccine.

The VAERS link has been updated.

You can sort my manufacturer too.....maybe demographics.

of COURSE you haven't HEARD that 10 people have died as a result of taking YOUR vaxx.

why don't you know about this?

This is not bullcrap data from some infotainment industry profit driven wallstreet loving......this is data from VAERS.

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

[kramerica.inc]

And I've heard that a very large percentage of medical professionals are opting out and NOT getting the vaccine.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... afe383f6af

The desperately awaited vaccination drive against the coronavirus in the U.S. is running into resistance from an unlikely quarter: Surprising numbers of health care workers who have seen firsthand the death and misery inflicted by COVID-19 are refusing shots.

It is happening in nursing homes and, to a lesser degree, in hospitals, with employees expressing what experts say are unfounded fears of side effects from vaccines that were developed at record speed. More than three weeks into the campaign, some places are seeing as much as 80% of the staff holding back.

“I don’t think anyone wants to be a guinea pig,” said Dr. Stephen Noble, a 42-year-old cardiothoracic surgeon in Portland, Oregon, who is postponing getting vaccinated. “At the end of the day, as a man of science, I just want to see what the data show. And give me the full data.”


Alarmed by the phenomenon, some administrators have dangled everything from free breakfasts at Waffle House to a raffle for a car to get employees to roll up their sleeves. Some states have threatened to let other people cut ahead of health care workers in the line for shots.

“It’s far too low. It’s alarmingly low,” said Neil Pruitt, CEO of PruittHealth, which runs about 100 long-term care homes in the South, where fewer than 3 in 10 workers offered the vaccine so far have accepted it.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/many- ... KXBTDXK2Q/

https://www.woodtv.com/covid-19-vaccine ... 9-vaccine/

[Typical Lax Dad]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

I hadn’t heard 7 people died. Do you have their ages?

it IS now TEN. As in 10 dead from the covid vaccine.

The VAERS link has been updated.

You can sort my manufacturer too.....maybe demographics.

of COURSE you haven't HEARD that 10 people have died as a result of taking YOUR vaxx.

why don't you know about this?

This is not bullcrap data from some infotainment industry profit driven wallstreet loving......this is data from VAERS.

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

Do you have their ages? I believe that was my question.

EDIT: you can post your answer here.

[wgdsr]

sunny news dept...
for now 2 or 3 days, total hospitalizations are down from the 7 day average:
https://mobile.twitter.com/COVID19Track ... 0411128832
a number of states are taking it hard and still spiraling, but collectively a crest?

also -- vaxxes out are now over 20 million, and into arms at 9 million with likely still a 3-5 day lag. last estimates were 50 million delivered by end of month. there is also this:
CDC expands Covid vaccine guidelines to everyone 65 and older

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/12/covid-v ... idappshare

maybe we shoulda done this after nursing homes in the first several days. oh, well. there are 54 million over 65. considering the non-vaxxers even in this group, and depending on which comorbitities qualify, we may be looking at the end of february for most 65s+ to have had their chance at shot 1 by the end of feb. hopefully, the logistics even with larger numbers can somehow smooth. doubt it's going to indiv docs, drive thru centers maybe?

then we're looking at march approval if it comes from jnj.

[wgdsr]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

the problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.

maybe. what are choices?

[Typical Lax Dad]

sunny news dept...
for now 2 or 3 days, total hospitalizations are down from the 7 day average:
https://mobile.twitter.com/COVID19Track ... 0411128832
a number of states are taking it hard and still spiraling, but collectively a crest?

also -- vaxxes out are now over 20 million, and into arms at 9 million with likely still a 3-5 day lag. last estimates were 50 million delivered by end of month. there is also this:
CDC expands Covid vaccine guidelines to everyone 65 and older

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/12/covid-v ... idappshare

maybe we shoulda done this after nursing homes in the first several days. oh, well. there are 54 million over 65. considering the non-vaxxers even in this group, and depending on which comorbitities qualify, we may be looking at the end of february for most 65s+ to have had their chance at shot 1 by the end of feb. hopefully, the logistics even with larger numbers can somehow smooth. doubt it's going to indiv docs, drive thru centers maybe?

then we're looking at march approval if it comes from jnj.

The sooner we get it more widely distributed the better. We will know where we are next fall. If the numbers are 1/3 of what they were this past fall, I will take that as a good sign that the coast is clearer.

[Bart]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

I hadn’t heard 7 people died. Do you have their ages?

it IS now TEN. As in 10 dead from the covid vaccine.

The VAERS link has been updated.

You can sort my manufacturer too.....maybe demographics.

of COURSE you haven't HEARD that 10 people have died as a result of taking YOUR vaxx.

why don't you know about this?

This is not bullcrap data from some infotainment industry profit driven wallstreet loving......this is data from VAERS.

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I was looking at that. It does not give the results from the search however. Do you know how to get to the cause of death? I see 7 from pfizer and 3 from moderna but can not find out the actual causes of the deaths.

It is not unheard of that thrombocytopenia to cause death in children in very rare occasions after being vaccinated for MMR. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1884189/

[wgdsr]

And I've heard that a very large percentage of medical professionals are opting out and NOT getting the vaccine.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... afe383f6af

The desperately awaited vaccination drive against the coronavirus in the U.S. is running into resistance from an unlikely quarter: Surprising numbers of health care workers who have seen firsthand the death and misery inflicted by COVID-19 are refusing shots.

It is happening in nursing homes and, to a lesser degree, in hospitals, with employees expressing what experts say are unfounded fears of side effects from vaccines that were developed at record speed. More than three weeks into the campaign, some places are seeing as much as 80% of the staff holding back.

“I don’t think anyone wants to be a guinea pig,” said Dr. Stephen Noble, a 42-year-old cardiothoracic surgeon in Portland, Oregon, who is postponing getting vaccinated. “At the end of the day, as a man of science, I just want to see what the data show. And give me the full data.”


Alarmed by the phenomenon, some administrators have dangled everything from free breakfasts at Waffle House to a raffle for a car to get employees to roll up their sleeves. Some states have threatened to let other people cut ahead of health care workers in the line for shots.

“It’s far too low. It’s alarmingly low,” said Neil Pruitt, CEO of PruittHealth, which runs about 100 long-term care homes in the South, where fewer than 3 in 10 workers offered the vaccine so far have accepted it.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/many- ... KXBTDXK2Q/

https://www.woodtv.com/covid-19-vaccine ... 9-vaccine/

this has been the case from the beginning.
and you're not going to have an effective waffle house giveaway until you open up the bars.

[Bart]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

the problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.

maybe. what are choices?

There are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.

[runrussellrun]

sorry.....wish I could screen shot it

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... B102DBC885

of the 11 deaths (thought they only updated it on Fridays) all fit in the usual demographic......older.

9 dead that were 65+

never bored enough to dissect the VAERS data and what this means.

Not sure why age matters, anyhow.

[wgdsr]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

I hadn’t heard 7 people died. Do you have their ages?

it IS now TEN. As in 10 dead from the covid vaccine.

The VAERS link has been updated.

You can sort my manufacturer too.....maybe demographics.

of COURSE you haven't HEARD that 10 people have died as a result of taking YOUR vaxx.

why don't you know about this?

This is not bullcrap data from some infotainment industry profit driven wallstreet loving......this is data from VAERS.

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

here is the math on it in case those were all cause deaths, and every single one of them was because of the vaccine:
- one assumption - the average number of days someone has had a shot is one week

10 deaths/ 9 million = 367 deaths / 330 million per week. × 52 weeks = 19,063 deaths per year. all caused by the vax but the vax saves 2,831,000 lives per year from our otherwise 2.85 million rate.

cures everything else. and we all grow old together.

[runrussellrun]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

the problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.

maybe. what are choices?

There are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.

Did someone post that it matters not, to the vaxx?

The vaxx will take on all V19 variants....and kick it's arse.

this IS the science, right? geez

[Typical Lax Dad]

sorry.....wish I could screen shot it

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... B102DBC885

of the 11 deaths (thought they only updated it on Fridays) all fit in the usual demographic......older.

9 dead that were 65+

never bored enough to dissect the VAERS data and what this means.

Not sure why age matters, anyhow.

Thanks. I appreciate the effort.

[wgdsr]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

the problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.

maybe. what are choices?

There are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.

so hypothesis.. 100 million infected, 140 million vaccinated out of 330. virus needs to get more transmissable to survive and maybe less deadly?
unless it morphs quick enough to render both ineffective.

[Bart]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

the problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.

maybe. what are choices?

There are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.

Did someone post that it matters not, to the vaxx?

The vaxx will take on all V19 variants....and kick it's arse.

this IS the science, right? geez

I'm sorry I do not understand what you are getting at?

At some point there may be enough drift that the vaccine will loose its efficacy. Is that what you are getting at?

[Bart]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

the problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.

maybe. what are choices?

There are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.

so hypothesis.. 100 million infected, 140 million vaccinated out of 330. virus needs to get more transmissable to survive and maybe less deadly?
unless it morphs quick enough to render both ineffective.

Now THAT's spitballin'! Yeah, if I where a virus and I could mutate in a direction I'd probably move in that direction. I'd rather not kill off my host.

[wgdsr]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

the problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.

maybe. what are choices?

There are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.

so hypothesis.. 100 million infected, 140 million vaccinated out of 330. virus needs to get more transmissable to survive and maybe less deadly?
unless it morphs quick enough to render both ineffective.

Now THAT's spitballin'! Yeah, if I where a virus and I could mutate in a direction I'd probably move in that direction. I'd rather not kill off my host.

at some point as fatigue continues, the wait-and-see crowd is going to shrink. sure, there'll be people that see one death or 10 or 366 deaths as a major problem, but we'll be left with more anti-vaxxers than anything.
especially if we get genetric drift on a more transmissable virus like i said we will.
add restrictions that aren't going away yesterday and an active numbers count for politicos to pull up on their phones.

[Bart]

Based on it being such a short window, how does 4K adverse reporting "events" measure up to other longtime vaxx's. like MMR?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 19E9A8543F

I had ZERO idea that 7 people had died, as a result of the v19 vaxx. This IS according to the VAERS table.

i couldn't get that far on my phone. the table says as a result of the vaxx? can you screenshot it?

the more peeps that are out on the vaxx, the quicker we get thru everyone. then open it up. whatever happens, happens. hopefully, we can get some under 16/18 trial info before moderna in 2022.

the problem with this approach is when you get to the whatever happens, happens stage.......you are going to push genetic drift in the virus as there will be a bunch of it still floating around.

maybe. what are choices?

There are no other choices, I have none. I do not think that genetic drift will be a maybe proposition. I think it is highly likely. We are already seeing it. The virus changes much more, from what I have read, quickly than was previously hypothesized.

so hypothesis.. 100 million infected, 140 million vaccinated out of 330. virus needs to get more transmissable to survive and maybe less deadly?
unless it morphs quick enough to render both ineffective.

Now THAT's spitballin'! Yeah, if I where a virus and I could mutate in a direction I'd probably move in that direction. I'd rather not kill off my host.

at some point as fatigue continues, the wait-and-see crowd is going to shrink. sure, there'll be people that see one death or 10 or 366 deaths as a major problem, but we'll be left with more anti-vaxxers than anything.
especially if we get genetric drift on a more transmissable virus like i said we will.
add restrictions that aren't going away yesterday and an active numbers count for politicos to pull up on their phones.

Seems like a reasonable hypothesis to me.