WASHINGTON — So this is how it ends. The presidency of Donald John Trump, rooted from the beginning in anger, division and conspiracy-mongering, comes to a close with a violent mob storming the Capitol at the instigation of a defeated leader trying to hang onto power as if America were just another authoritarian nation.
The scenes in Washington would have once been unimaginable: A rampage through the citadel of American democracy. Police officers brandishing guns in an armed standoff to defend the House chamber. Tear gas deployed in the Rotunda. Lawmakers in hiding. Extremists standing in the vice president’s spot on the Senate dais and sitting at the desk of the speaker of the House.
The words used to describe it were equally alarming: Coup. Insurrection. Sedition. Suddenly the United States was being compared to a “banana republic” and receiving messages of concern from other capitals. “American carnage,” it turned out, was not what President Trump would stop, as he promised upon taking office, but what he wound up delivering four years later to the very building where he took the oath.
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I reject your premise ... it is unquestionably wrong.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:52 pmIt happened because mob violence, aka peaceful protests, has been tolerated, normalized & tacitly encouraged.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:32 pmRight. Today happened because of Black Lives Matter.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:20 pm They react to what they see is tolerated, rationalized, & even implicitly encouraged & celebrated, then reply in kind.
"peaceful protests", at a time when other public gatherings were restricted or banned, were allowed & celebrated.
We are now reaping the whirlwind. So you don't think these are just kids blowing off steam ?
I think I'm gonna go ahead and check out of this conversation.....
However, it should be noted that the BLM movement had something very legitimate to protest ... police brutality and inequality in the administration of justice.
The same is not true of Trump or his thugs. There was no “stolen election.” There was no voter fraud. There was no Trump “landside.” They are all lies spewed by a malignant narcissist ... a malignant piece of trash that you have repeatedly defended on this forum.
Enough of this nonsense. Just stop.
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The fact that she got out after 14 years might be a tell. At 15 years, if promoted, she should have qualified for a reduced pension, & at 20 years for a 50% of base pay pension. Maybe she failed to promote or was asked to leave for other reasons.DMac wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:51 pmActually, a gal (or anyone) who was a "high level security officer" in the military would/should realize that storming, and then ending up, "inside the U.S. Capitol" is putting her life on the line. This is the hill she chose to die on, her choice. Not saying Trump isn't the instigator, but you've really got to be smarter than that. Idiotic move by all of them, dead or alive.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:27 pmI had posted that I suspected many people storming the capitol were ex-military...but decided to delete it after I typed it. Really sad. Trump cost that lady her life.
@ 00:42 of the video, who can see her climbing up to enter through the broken window frame.
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I get what you’re saying as far as Trump’s fault.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:27 pmI had posted that I suspected many people storming the capitol were ex-military...but decided to delete it after I typed it. Really sad. Trump cost that lady her life.
But she went through a door she shouldn’t have.
She was part of lawlessness and intimidation. So not a lot of sympathy here. Play stupid games.
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I condemn this mob violence, just as I condemn the BLM/Antifa violence we have had to endure. Do you ?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:04 pmI reject your premise ... it is unquestionably wrong.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:52 pmIt happened because mob violence, aka peaceful protests, has been tolerated, normalized & tacitly encouraged.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:32 pmRight. Today happened because of Black Lives Matter.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:20 pm They react to what they see is tolerated, rationalized, & even implicitly encouraged & celebrated, then reply in kind.
"peaceful protests", at a time when other public gatherings were restricted or banned, were allowed & celebrated.
We are now reaping the whirlwind. So you don't think these are just kids blowing off steam ?
I think I'm gonna go ahead and check out of this conversation.....
However, it should be noted that the BLM movement had something very legitimate to protest ... police brutality and inequality in the administration of justice.
The same is not true of Trump or his thugs. There was no “stolen election.” There was no voter fraud. There was no Trump “landside.” They are all lies spewed by a malignant narcissist ... a malignant piece of trash that you have repeatedly defended on this forum.
Enough of this nonsense. Just stop.
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She cost herself her own life. Given her experience, she should have known the risk she was taking in breaching that space.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:05 pmI get what you’re saying as far as Trump’s fault.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:27 pmI had posted that I suspected many people storming the capitol were ex-military...but decided to delete it after I typed it. Really sad. Trump cost that lady her life.
But she went through a door she shouldn’t have.
She was part of lawlessness and intimidation. So not a lot of sympathy here. Play stupid games.
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Yup. A tiny bit more background on her in this story:old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:10 pmShe cost herself her own life. Given her experience, she should have known the risk she was taking in breaching that space.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:05 pmI get what you’re saying as far as Trump’s fault.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:27 pmI had posted that I suspected many people storming the capitol were ex-military...but decided to delete it after I typed it. Really sad. Trump cost that lady her life.
But she went through a door she shouldn’t have.
She was part of lawlessness and intimidation. So not a lot of sympathy here. Play stupid games.
Free will. The choices we make.
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All slave states and bloody Kansas. Like anyone should be surprised.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:48 pm US Senate votes 93-6 to reject the Republican effort to block counting Arizona’s electoral votes for Joe Biden.
The 6 US senators who voted in favor of the effort:
• Sen. Cruz, R-Texas
• Sen. Hawley, R-Missouri
• Sen. Kennedy, R-Louisiana
• Sen. Hyde-Smith, R-Mississippi
• Sen. Marshall, R-Kansas
• Sen. Tuberville, R-Alabama
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Terminal stupidity. I hope she didn’t have children...kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:05 pmI get what you’re saying as far as Trump’s fault.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:27 pmI had posted that I suspected many people storming the capitol were ex-military...but decided to delete it after I typed it. Really sad. Trump cost that lady her life.
But she went through a door she shouldn’t have.
She was part of lawlessness and intimidation. So not a lot of sympathy here. Play stupid games.
Free will. The choices we make.
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After today, an understatement to call it a unique day, I am surprised. I expected two. i hoped for 0.
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- DC Police: 4 people died as Trump supporters occupied Capitol; 1 woman shot by police, 3 in medical emergencies.
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They should all be expelled from the Senate.
Ditto the 121 in the House.
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The BLM protests were largely peaceful. The night violence by the anarchist crowd (overwhelmingly white men) were the source of violence ... as they have been for decades. You need to distinguish between the two.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:07 pmI condemn this mob violence, just as I condemn the BLM/Antifa violence we have had to endure. Do you ?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:04 pmI reject your premise ... it is unquestionably wrong.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:52 pmIt happened because mob violence, aka peaceful protests, has been tolerated, normalized & tacitly encouraged.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:32 pmRight. Today happened because of Black Lives Matter.old salt wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:20 pm They react to what they see is tolerated, rationalized, & even implicitly encouraged & celebrated, then reply in kind.
"peaceful protests", at a time when other public gatherings were restricted or banned, were allowed & celebrated.
We are now reaping the whirlwind. So you don't think these are just kids blowing off steam ?
I think I'm gonna go ahead and check out of this conversation.....
However, it should be noted that the BLM movement had something very legitimate to protest ... police brutality and inequality in the administration of justice.
The same is not true of Trump or his thugs. There was no “stolen election.” There was no voter fraud. There was no Trump “landside.” They are all lies spewed by a malignant narcissist ... a malignant piece of trash that you have repeatedly defended on this forum.
Enough of this nonsense. Just stop.
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Yup, 14 and out is a very odd move, doesn't make much sense.
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I am saying it’s her fault that she committed to Trump....drank his Kool-Aid....Jonestown people didn’t have to drink the Kool-aid either but they followed that fool!kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:05 pmI get what you’re saying as far as Trump’s fault.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:27 pmI had posted that I suspected many people storming the capitol were ex-military...but decided to delete it after I typed it. Really sad. Trump cost that lady her life.
But she went through a door she shouldn’t have.
She was part of lawlessness and intimidation. So not a lot of sympathy here. Play stupid games.
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Lost Causejhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:13 pmAll slave states and bloody Kansas. Like anyone should be surprised.Matnum PI wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:48 pm US Senate votes 93-6 to reject the Republican effort to block counting Arizona’s electoral votes for Joe Biden.
The 6 US senators who voted in favor of the effort:
• Sen. Cruz, R-Texas
• Sen. Hawley, R-Missouri
• Sen. Kennedy, R-Louisiana
• Sen. Hyde-Smith, R-Mississippi
• Sen. Marshall, R-Kansas
• Sen. Tuberville, R-Alabama
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Make no mistake: Trump will not stop until he is stopped. It's not that he won't; it's that a personality like his can't. He is feral and dangerous, and pretending he has hit bottom is a terrible mistake. There is always a new low to which he can sink.
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Make no mistake: Trump will not stop until he is stopped. It's not that he won't; it's that a personality like his can't. He is feral and dangerous, and pretending he has hit bottom is a terrible mistake. There is always a new low to which he can sink.
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Mattis speaks out:
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/0 ... ule-455675former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis on Wednesday accused Trump of using the presidency to "destroy trust in our election and to poison our respect for fellow citizens."
“Today’s violent assault on our Capitol, an effort to subjugate American democracy by mob rule, was fomented by Mr. Trump," Mattis wrote. "His use of the Presidency to destroy trust in our election and to poison our respect for fellow citizens has been enabled by pseudo political leaders whose names will live in infamy as profiles in cowardice."
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52 arrests I believe. 14 transports to hospitals (I guess including the 4 dead)
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