2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[Typical Lax Dad]

Liz and Dick Cheney.

Just a couple of RINO, Deep State, socialist, AOC boot lickers.

Thank god we have Hawley, Cruz and Trump to save us from their clutches.

Junk mail voting is going to ruin the republic! Bring back the literacy test and the poll tax!

MAGA!

[Brooklyn]

This very sad episode is rock bottom for the republican party. IMO getting rid of trump should be a glorious and happy time for all Republicans. They still want to cling on to trump? Why???

What? Am I reading this correctly???

This toon looks a bit like me after I read that blurb:

[ggait]

Liz and Dick Cheney.

Just a couple of RINO, Deep State, socialist, AOC boot lickers.

Thank god we have Hawley, Cruz and Trump to save us from their clutches.

Junk mail voting is going to ruin the republic! Bring back the literacy test and the poll tax!

MAGA!

You joke, but that's actually what Ted Cruz is advocating for.

Ted (who, per Trump, isn't an American and whose Dad killed JFK) is advocating that we "follow that precedent" -- appoint an electoral commission as was done to resolve the 1876 election between Rutherford Hayes and Samuel Tilden.

That commission struck the dirty deal that handed the election to Hayes. The payoff was Hayes' commitment to withdraw federal troops from the South. Which basically repealed the 14/15th Amendments and legalized Jim Crow.

Now you are talking, Teddy. Let's definitely do that again!!

[dislaxxic]

It doesn't make logical sense b/c Trump is really a democrat with an (r) next to his name. So arguing pro- R party is counter intuitive because Trump has that (r) tag.

SO FUNNY! Who from the old LaxPower days remembers what all our republican friends were saying when George W. (Shrub) Bush left office amid a YUGE recession that was being handed off to his successor?

"He's not really an R...and for sure he sure hasn't been ACTING like an R".

You can't make this stuff up...except, of course, in MAGAWorld...

..

[youthathletics]

In don’t think given all the democrats have discussed with respect to rule of law, transparency and democracy of late that he fits in there. He’s a parasite on all of us. His behavior of spending and wealth transfers and retribution I’ve seen in various portions of the Democratic Party for sure but he won the republican primary so if you’re rte actually correct that would mean everyone who ever voted for him is a complete and absolute moron And/or a deceptive, fraudulent, fake Republican.

So you’re saying OS, PB, 6ft, etc are closet democrats? What else are in those closets I wonder?

I don’t think that cohort who voted for him would like the latter though it may very well be true. Seems to me that’s the case.

Trump capitalized at an opportunistic time, think third party. A new aged revolt, fed up with status quo, dead beat, talk out of the side of their neck entrenched politicians. Everyone says your vote counts, and yet, we get the same thing over and over and over. Trump was on to something, but he fudged it up b/c he couldn't shut up. If Trump had cleaned up his decorum early on, acted presidential, he would have won over many more. Instead, he doubled down...and to be frank, I believe his base is shrinking b/c of it.

Back to your question, No, I do not think they are closet democrats, nor am I. There is still the division between the parties on issues, here on fan lax, we tend to shoot the messenger, because we are more worried about getting our two cents and a dig in. If you noticed, those of us that were arguing in the (r) defense (not so much for Trump), were focused on primarily principled issues abroad that have impacted us locally and financially for years/decades.....all things China, The UN, M.E., SK, Climate accord, Southern border. The goal was to shore up our footings, a long overdue physical, we have spread ourselves a bit too thin after a looong war. Notice OS's post recently about agreeing with Jim Webb and the ME?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Liz and Dick Cheney.

Just a couple of RINO, Deep State, socialist, AOC boot lickers.

Thank god we have Hawley, Cruz and Trump to save us from their clutches.

Junk mail voting is going to ruin the republic! Bring back the literacy test and the poll tax!

MAGA!

You joke, but that's actually what Ted Cruz is advocating for.

Ted (who, per Trump, isn't an American and whose Dad killed JFK) is advocating that we "follow that precedent" -- appoint an electoral commission as was done to resolve the 1876 election between Rutherford Hayes and Samuel Tilden.

That commission struck the dirty deal that handed the election to Hayes. The payoff was Hayes' commitment to withdraw federal troops from the South. Which basically repealed the 14/15th Amendments and legalized Jim Crow.

Now you are talking, Teddy. Let's definitely do that again!!

Life was good back then. MAGA

[Farfromgeneva]

In don’t think given all the democrats have discussed with respect to rule of law, transparency and democracy of late that he fits in there. He’s a parasite on all of us. His behavior of spending and wealth transfers and retribution I’ve seen in various portions of the Democratic Party for sure but he won the republican primary so if you’re rte actually correct that would mean everyone who ever voted for him is a complete and absolute moron And/or a deceptive, fraudulent, fake Republican.

So you’re saying OS, PB, 6ft, etc are closet democrats? What else are in those closets I wonder?

I don’t think that cohort who voted for him would like the latter though it may very well be true. Seems to me that’s the case.

Trump capitalized at an opportunistic time, think third party. A new aged revolt, fed up with status quo, dead beat, talk out of the side of their neck entrenched politicians. Everyone says your vote counts, and yet, we get the same thing over and over and over. Trump was on to something, but he fudged it up b/c he couldn't shut up. If Trump had cleaned up his decorum early on, acted presidential, he would have won over many more. Instead, he doubled down...and to be frank, I believe his base is shrinking b/c of it.

Back to your question, No, I do not think they are closet democrats, nor am I. There is still the division between the parties on issues, here on fan lax, we tend to shoot the messenger, because we are more worried about getting our two cents and a dig in. If you noticed, those of us that were arguing in the (r) defense (not so much for Trump), were focused on primarily principled issues abroad that have impacted us locally and financially for years/decades.....all things China, The UN, M.E., SK, Climate accord, Southern border. The goal was to shore up our footings, a long overdue physical, we have spread ourselves a bit too thin after a looong war. Notice OS's post recently about agreeing with Jim Webb and the ME?

Yeah that last part was in a discourse with myself. But he also hypocritically has argued at the same time for more intervention so I find his comments at a minimum incongruous on that subject so much that it gives the appearance to even middle of the road people (I’ve shat on democratic behavior and principles plenty here too just have a sense of decency, respect for our country and am honest in my selfishness) of weak form heuristics out of antipathy towards some other abstract concept of a side.

But you aren’t quite like that cohort in that they’ve defended the man and played moral relativism all over the place while crying that they have principles. Moral relativism and principles don’t go together every well as I hope and expect your understand. But explain how we’re are on better footing today than 2016 in all honesty. You said financially but that’s not true given our balance sheet having blown a hole through it before Covid and an ever greater disparity of wealth. We’ve compromised ourselves to Russia undeniably to turn China into some boogeyman that it hasn’t proven yet to be. Our allies have less faith in us and we haven’t exactly picked up any new ones. Basically the abortion issue and Supreme Court would be the only thing to theoretically stand on, which even if I disagreed in the way it’s been handled and outcome driven selection process do understand. Instead of cute one liners or intellectually lacking quips, and avoiding pointing fingers at the “other side” (which apparently includes all republicans who aren’t on trumps top, ive been made enemy of other supposed republicans because I don’t support that clown show?), lay out the case on how he’s made it better even for a homophobic, crew cut, 1960s era salesman who’s life was never as easy as he thinks it was White dude to feel good about his situation in this country? Let alone all the others who trump has fanned the flames of hate towards even though they are all American citizens?

[Farfromgeneva]

In don’t think given all the democrats have discussed with respect to rule of law, transparency and democracy of late that he fits in there. He’s a parasite on all of us. His behavior of spending and wealth transfers and retribution I’ve seen in various portions of the Democratic Party for sure but he won the republican primary so if you’re rte actually correct that would mean everyone who ever voted for him is a complete and absolute moron And/or a deceptive, fraudulent, fake Republican.

So you’re saying OS, PB, 6ft, etc are closet democrats? What else are in those closets I wonder?

I don’t think that cohort who voted for him would like the latter though it may very well be true. Seems to me that’s the case.

Trump capitalized at an opportunistic time, think third party. A new aged revolt, fed up with status quo, dead beat, talk out of the side of their neck entrenched politicians. Everyone says your vote counts, and yet, we get the same thing over and over and over. Trump was on to something, but he fudged it up b/c he couldn't shut up. If Trump had cleaned up his decorum early on, acted presidential, he would have won over many more. Instead, he doubled down...and to be frank, I believe his base is shrinking b/c of it.

Back to your question, No, I do not think they are closet democrats, nor am I. There is still the division between the parties on issues, here on fan lax, we tend to shoot the messenger, because we are more worried about getting our two cents and a dig in. If you noticed, those of us that were arguing in the (r) defense (not so much for Trump), were focused on primarily principled issues abroad that have impacted us locally and financially for years/decades.....all things China, The UN, M.E., SK, Climate accord, Southern border. The goal was to shore up our footings, a long overdue physical, we have spread ourselves a bit too thin after a looong war. Notice OS's post recently about agreeing with Jim Webb and the ME?

Additionally, does Trump truly represent “everyone’s vote counts” in light of the recorded call that came out yest? If not then everyone, and I mean everyone who needed to feel their vote counted needs to immediately get off this train or would be very much hypocritical.

[a fan]

Despite his Yale Law degree and SCOTUS clerkship and con law professorship, here's why Josh Hawley is the sleaziest dumb fork on the planet. Maybe even sleazier and dumber than Salty is (hard to believe, I know).

Can we turn it down a notch?

Call a poster's ideas or statements names all you want. Just don't direct the attack at the poster him/herself.

TIA

[a fan]

Trump capitalized at an opportunistic time, think third party. A new aged revolt, fed up with status quo, dead beat, talk out of the side of their neck entrenched politicians.

This is utter BS, and you know it. Republicans don't get to make this claim anymore.

Because what happened when Trump took office? Everything----corruption, reckless spending, saying one thing and doing another-----got WORSE.

FAR FAR WORSE. And your Party supported all of it to a mind numbingly ridiculous extent.

So you don't get to hide behind this anymore. Hate. Trump spewed hate at the libs. That's what did it. And that's why his actual policies are immaterial to Republican voters. So long as he spews hate? TrumpNation eats it up, and asks for more.

It's why Republicans don't have a Federal platform.....when your idea of governance is "stick it to he libs", you don't need an actual policy for anything whatsoever.

You own this outcome, and you don't get to walk away from it. Trump is on you, my man.

And just wait until we see what he did in individual Federal Departments in the coming years as the books roll out.

[youthathletics]

Trump capitalized at an opportunistic time, think third party. A new aged revolt, fed up with status quo, dead beat, talk out of the side of their neck entrenched politicians.

This is utter BS, and you know it. Republicans don't get to make this claim anymore.

Because what happened when Trump took office? Everything----corruption, reckless spending, saying one thing and doing another-----got WORSE.

FAR FAR WORSE. And your Party supported all of it to a mind numbingly ridiculous extent.

So you don't get to hide behind this anymore. Hate. Trump spewed hate at the libs. That's what did it. And that's why his actual policies are immaterial to Republican voters. So long as he spews hate? TrumpNation eats it up, and asks for more.

It's why Republicans don't have a Federal platform.....when your idea of governance is "stick it to he libs", you don't need an actual policy for anything whatsoever.

You own this outcome, and you don't get to walk away from it. Trump is on you, my man.

And just wait until we see what he did in individual Federal Departments in the coming years as the books roll out.

Thanks for proving my point...that Trump is indeed a democrat.

[ggait]

Just don't direct the attack at the poster him/herself.

Fan -- that's fine advice. Which I try to follow.

But I don't think that rule applies once someone can't meet even a minimal standard of good faith (i.e. Peter Brown).

I'll give Salty a chance to show he's a different breed of cat.

[a fan]

Mitchell and Hilbert backed Trump and Meadows in their repeated demand for information about voters, including their voter IDs and registrations. This is voter data to which, by law, they cannot have access. (When Germany answered that the state is prohibited from sharing that information, Trump retorted: “Well, you have to.”)

University of Georgia Law Professor Anthony Michael Kreis told Politico reporters Allie Bice, Kyle Cheney, Anita Kumar, and Zach Montellaro that it is against the law in Georgia for anyone to “solicit” or “request” election fraud. “There’s just no way that… he has not violated this law,” Kreis said. Michael R. Bromwich, former inspector general of the Department of Justice, tweeted that “unless there are portions of the tape that somehow negate criminal intent,” Trump’s “best defense would be insanity.”

Just remarkable

The entire Republican Voting base is banking on the fact that Democrats won't hit back.

At this point? I hope NYState and GA and the rest go after Trump and his family nonstop until they get convictions. Go after the German Banks. Go after Trump in every way imaginable.

Show the next Trump what will happen. And the next Trump is warming up in the bullpen-----because Republican America doesn't just want another Trump....they want him the next one to be worse.

Look at how the Congressional Dems are behaving. You're a fool if you think the TrumpEra is over....

[Typical Lax Dad]

Mitchell and Hilbert backed Trump and Meadows in their repeated demand for information about voters, including their voter IDs and registrations. This is voter data to which, by law, they cannot have access. (When Germany answered that the state is prohibited from sharing that information, Trump retorted: “Well, you have to.”)

University of Georgia Law Professor Anthony Michael Kreis told Politico reporters Allie Bice, Kyle Cheney, Anita Kumar, and Zach Montellaro that it is against the law in Georgia for anyone to “solicit” or “request” election fraud. “There’s just no way that… he has not violated this law,” Kreis said. Michael R. Bromwich, former inspector general of the Department of Justice, tweeted that “unless there are portions of the tape that somehow negate criminal intent,” Trump’s “best defense would be insanity.”

Just remarkable

The entire Republican Voting base is banking on the fact that Democrats won't hit back.

At this point? I hope NYState and GA and the rest go after Trump and his family nonstop until they get convictions. Go after the German Banks. Go after Trump in every way imaginable.

Show the next Trump what will happen. And the next Trump is warming up in the bullpen-----because Republican America doesn't just want another Trump....they want him the next one to be worse.

Look at how the Congressional Dems are behaving. You're a fool if you think the TrumpEra is over....

Yep.

[Typical Lax Dad]

In 2015, after a failed attempt to shutter almost every polling location in a county three times the area of Atlanta, the Hancock County Board of Elections and Registration tried to remove 174 voters, almost all of them African American, ahead of a Sparta city election. The board even sent deputies to homes, summonsing voters to prove eligibility.

[seacoaster]

“Lending credence to Trump's false claim that the election was stolen is a highly destructive attack on our constitutional government. It is the opposite of conservative; it is radical.”

John Danforth, former Missouri Senator and AG, and erstwhile supporter of Josh Hawley.

[seacoaster]

Nice little guidebook for the festivus on January 6, 2021:

https://voterprotectionprogram.org/wp-c ... -Votes.pdf

[seacoaster]

“There’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”

Trump to Raffensperger and his counsel, January 2021.

[Farfromgeneva]

Why not? He’s done it on his personal financials, lender ordered appraisals and in GMO contracts for 45yrs. Can’t math just be changed with a pencil and a Roy Cohn any time one wants?

[Farfromgeneva]

Mitchell and Hilbert backed Trump and Meadows in their repeated demand for information about voters, including their voter IDs and registrations. This is voter data to which, by law, they cannot have access. (When Germany answered that the state is prohibited from sharing that information, Trump retorted: “Well, you have to.”)

University of Georgia Law Professor Anthony Michael Kreis told Politico reporters Allie Bice, Kyle Cheney, Anita Kumar, and Zach Montellaro that it is against the law in Georgia for anyone to “solicit” or “request” election fraud. “There’s just no way that… he has not violated this law,” Kreis said. Michael R. Bromwich, former inspector general of the Department of Justice, tweeted that “unless there are portions of the tape that somehow negate criminal intent,” Trump’s “best defense would be insanity.”

Just remarkable

The entire Republican Voting base is banking on the fact that Democrats won't hit back.

At this point? I hope NYState and GA and the rest go after Trump and his family nonstop until they get convictions. Go after the German Banks. Go after Trump in every way imaginable.

Show the next Trump what will happen. And the next Trump is warming up in the bullpen-----because Republican America doesn't just want another Trump....they want him the next one to be worse.

Look at how the Congressional Dems are behaving. You're a fool if you think the TrumpEra is over....

Yep.

This is difficult. I’ve always been for enforcing laws on the books Vs layering on new redundant tangential ones and in that would suggest he should be jammed up (both literally and if he were to get equal treatment in jail then metaphorically too). Conversely this is akin to the neverending cycle of “violence” (to steal a term from third world countries which our politicians have turned us into) that only end when one group behaves better. Delay machine was a function of Clinton who was a function of Manafort and Stone types and the Delay machine led to an easy Obama win which led to this Teabaggers and this disaster which has led to some vitriol from the youngins like AOC and Omar who know little of the technical aspects of how things work in the world and will be looking for heads ala the French Revolution and The Guillotine which hasn’t exactly worked out for the French over time in hindsight.

It’s “unfair” to the side that has to be better but a leader would do so. So if this group wants to demonstrate leadership they have to change behavior, attitude and other cultural aspects or they’ll be no different than this Rep regime (not trump not doing TAATs, it’s a simpleton, reductive argument made by people who can’t make a more compelling case for anything, but rather the Cottons, Hawley’s, especially the ones we kind of thought a little better of like a Rand Paul, etc.

So splitting the baby it would be good to see N.Y. Independent of federal influence go get after it. Ga isn’t doing s**t, Kemp is still tactical for his own ambition and even has given Loeffler a pass on her support of Trump lately which conflicts w Kemp, but I spoke w a guy close to Kemp and he told me they’ve had private conversations where he’s absolved her and Perdue of their efforts as he’d also like to keep those seats Rep while trying to stand up for himself and the sec of state a little. If it could be done at the state level free of congressional or Oval Office influence that would be perhaps the best path. Hopefully it’s clear as day slam dunk and doesn’t require manipulation of the law and common man standard for language to do so as well.