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[seacoaster]

Seattle "Defund the police" politician calls the police... for a misdemeanor crime...that she is trying to legalize!

https://mynorthwest.com/2370278/rantz-s ... egalizing/

"It sounded like a gunshot!"



You can't make this stuff up.

And now they want to discriminant against ex-military. https://www.instagram.com/p/CJBxpvrLv71 ... _copy_link

Page 26: https://www.cityofracine.org/uploadedFi ... Report.pdf

When you read stuff from “granderson33” do you just take it on faith then that an entire, multifaceted policy discussion is, for example, excluding ex-military?

[CU77]

And now they want to discriminant against ex-military. https://www.instagram.com/p/CJBxpvrLv71 ... _copy_link

Page 26: https://www.cityofracine.org/uploadedFi ... Report.pdf

Do you ever bother to read the documents you link to?

Asking for a friend.

Because this is what it says above the orange block that includes "exclude ex-military" as one possible hiring practice:

Improving police training and the hiring process were themes for community stakeholders when asked about areas for RPD improvement. Below are the types of trainings and ideas for hiring practices that respondents provided.

The word "military" does not appear anywhere else in the document.

So it's not a recommendation of this report (much less a policy of the city of Racine), just one "idea" that somebody mentioned.

You want to know who is actually defunding the police?

Republicans in Congress, who refuse any aid to cities that are running out of money (due to covid and the utterly bothced federal response) that, you know, pays the police.

[youthathletics]

And now they want to discriminant against ex-military. https://www.instagram.com/p/CJBxpvrLv71 ... _copy_link

Page 26: https://www.cityofracine.org/uploadedFi ... Report.pdf

Do you ever bother to read the documents you link to?

Asking for a friend.

Because this is what it says above the orange block that includes "exclude ex-military" as one possible hiring practice:

Improving police training and the hiring process were themes for community stakeholders when asked about areas for RPD improvement. Below are the types of trainings and ideas for hiring practices that respondents provided.

The word "military" does not appear anywhere else in the document.

So it's not a recommendation of this report (much less a policy of the city of Racine), just one "idea" that somebody mentioned.

You want to know who is actually defunding the police?

Republicans in Congress, who refuse any aid to cities that are running out of money (due to covid and the utterly bothced federal response) that, you know, pays the police.

Yes I read It, you must not have.

On the page titled HIRING AND TRAINING, In the nice big orange box with the heading “HIRING PRACTICES” it clearly states “EXLUDE EX-MILITARY FOR POSSIBLE MILITARISTIC APPROACH”.

[youthathletics]

Seattle "Defund the police" politician calls the police... for a misdemeanor crime...that she is trying to legalize!

https://mynorthwest.com/2370278/rantz-s ... egalizing/

"It sounded like a gunshot!"



You can't make this stuff up.

And now they want to discriminant against ex-military. https://www.instagram.com/p/CJBxpvrLv71 ... _copy_link

Page 26: https://www.cityofracine.org/uploadedFi ... Report.pdf

When you read stuff from “granderson33” do you just take it on faith then that an entire, multifaceted policy discussion is, for example, excluding ex-military?

It says what it says, and last I checked “exclude” still has the same meaning.

[Brooklyn]

Police Body Camera in Boston

Delusional right wingers on this forum still believe cops can do no wrong.

[seacoaster]

Seattle "Defund the police" politician calls the police... for a misdemeanor crime...that she is trying to legalize!

https://mynorthwest.com/2370278/rantz-s ... egalizing/

"It sounded like a gunshot!"



You can't make this stuff up.

And now they want to discriminant against ex-military. https://www.instagram.com/p/CJBxpvrLv71 ... _copy_link

Page 26: https://www.cityofracine.org/uploadedFi ... Report.pdf

When you read stuff from “granderson33” do you just take it on faith then that an entire, multifaceted policy discussion is, for example, excluding ex-military?

It says what it says, and last I checked “exclude” still has the same meaning.

Sigh....

[RedFromMI]

Seattle "Defund the police" politician calls the police... for a misdemeanor crime...that she is trying to legalize!

https://mynorthwest.com/2370278/rantz-s ... egalizing/

"It sounded like a gunshot!"



You can't make this stuff up.

And now they want to discriminant against ex-military. https://www.instagram.com/p/CJBxpvrLv71 ... _copy_link

Page 26: https://www.cityofracine.org/uploadedFi ... Report.pdf

When you read stuff from “granderson33” do you just take it on faith then that an entire, multifaceted policy discussion is, for example, excluding ex-military?

It says what it says, and last I checked “exclude” still has the same meaning.

I do think there can be serious issues with hiring _some_ types of ex-military. Training for combat and training for police work should not be at all the same. There is some significant pushback to hiring from the military because how you clear a street in Iraq or Afghanistan is far different from dealing with, say, a domestic dispute that might turn violent, but does not necessarily have to.

Ex MPs might be decent choices, as they are the military law enforcement, but front-line infantry might not without further investigation into whether their roles and personalities conflict with modern policing.

[old salt]

Seattle "Defund the police" politician calls the police... for a misdemeanor crime...that she is trying to legalize!

https://mynorthwest.com/2370278/rantz-s ... egalizing/

"It sounded like a gunshot!"



You can't make this stuff up.

And now they want to discriminant against ex-military. https://www.instagram.com/p/CJBxpvrLv71 ... _copy_link

Page 26: https://www.cityofracine.org/uploadedFi ... Report.pdf

When you read stuff from “granderson33” do you just take it on faith then that an entire, multifaceted policy discussion is, for example, excluding ex-military?

It says what it says, and last I checked “exclude” still has the same meaning.

I do think there can be serious issues with hiring _some_ types of ex-military. Training for combat and training for police work should not be at all the same. There is some significant pushback to hiring from the military because how you clear a street in Iraq or Afghanistan is far different from dealing with, say, a domestic dispute that might turn violent, but does not necessarily have to.

Ex MPs might be decent choices, as they are the military law enforcement, but front-line infantry might not without further investigation into whether their roles and personalities conflict with modern policing.

Combat Infantrymen are well trained & extremely discilpined. They operate as trained, within their ROE.
Read up on our COIN strategy crafted by Petraeus, McChrystal & Flynn for Iraq & Afghanistan. It includes a lot of community outreach.

That's why you have police academies & department manuals. The Police are scrambling for qualified applicants.
They're fortunate for every honorably discharged infantryman they can recruit, imho.

[CU77]

It says what it says, and last I checked “exclude” still has the same meaning.

The question is WHO said it.

The authors of the report?

No.

The mayor of Racine?

No.

Anyone in any position of authority whatsoever in Racine?

No.

Yet the twitter post you quoted wants everyone to attack the mayor, who did not say it and did not endorse it in any way.

But none of that seems to matter to you and your fellow pitchfork-wielders.

[CU77]

They're fortunate for every honorably discharged infantryman they can recruit, imho.

It would be interesting to see stats on police misconduct and correlate them with military background.

My guess is that there's no correlation, but it may well be the ex-military have less misconduct.

That would be a useful reply to the anonymous private citizen in Racine (you know, the one who actually made the comment that has everyone so upset) who's apparently afraid of ex-military as police.

Is that person's fear justified or not?

Let's get some facts.

Wild idea, I know.

[youthathletics]

It says what it says, and last I checked “exclude” still has the same meaning.

The question is WHO said it.

The authors of the report?

No.

The mayor of Racine?

No.

Anyone in any position of authority whatsoever in Racine?

No.

Yet the twitter post you quoted wants everyone to attack the mayor, who did not say it and did not endorse it in any way.

But none of that seems to matter to you and your fellow pitchfork-wielders.

Did you click the link? It’s from the city of Racine. Can you read a web URL? https://www.cityofracine.org/uploadedFi ... Report.pdf

[CU77]

I clicked it, read it, and quoted from it.

You're the one who hasn't read it. You just found that one orange block (because the twitter dude pointed you to it), but still don't seem to know WHOSE opinion that block represents. Hint: that orange block is NOT part of the recommendations of the Racine police reform task force!

Read the document, as I did, to learn more.

[Brooklyn]

Police Body Camera in Boston

Delusional right wingers on this forum still believe cops can do no wrong.

Top Chicago city lawyer resigns over Anjanette Young wrongful police raid


Footage of February 2019 raid made in error stokes uproar
Black woman was handcuffed and not allowed to dress



The city of Chicago’s top attorney resigned on Sunday, in the fallout from a botched and wrongful police raid on the home of a Black woman who was not allowed to put on clothes before being handcuffed.

orporation counsel Mark Flessner announced the move in an email to employees, saying he was only recently involved with the legal case connected to police video of the February 2019 raid, made in error on the home of social worker Anjanette Young. Flessner did not say if he was asked to resign.

“It is clear that the raid of Anjanette Young’s home was a tragedy that we must learn from,” Flessner said in a statement. “Standing up for racial injustice and fighting for equality within our justice system are crucial matters that we must continue to work toward addressing as a community.”

Mayor Lori Lightfoot said she accepted Flessner’s resignation.

“I am committed to a full review of everything that occurred surrounding this incident, will take corrective action where appropriate, and will hold people accountable,” Lightfoot said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... olice-raid




It would help improve things in that city if the cops resigned (and forfeited their pensions) as well.

[seacoaster]

I clicked it, read it, and quoted from it.

You're the one who hasn't read it. You just found that one orange block (because the twitter dude pointed you to it), but still don't seem to know WHOSE opinion that block represents. Hint: that orange block is NOT part of the recommendations of the Racine police reform task force!

Read the document, as I did, to learn more.

This whole dialogue is a small case study in how "information" is created, and is delivered into the willing minds of fellow members of an echo chamber. I loved the complete disregard for the reality that the GOP is effectively defunding state and municipal law enforcement by refusing aid to states, counties and towns. "But what about my orange sign?"

[youthathletics]

I clicked it, read it, and quoted from it.

You're the one who hasn't read it. You just found that one orange block (because the twitter dude pointed you to it), but still don't seem to know WHOSE opinion that block represents. Hint: that orange block is NOT part of the recommendations of the Racine police reform task force!

Read the document, as I did, to learn more.

This whole dialogue is a small case study in how "information" is created, and is delivered into the willing minds of fellow members of an echo chamber. I loved the complete disregard for the reality that the GOP is effectively defunding state and municipal law enforcement by refusing aid to states, counties and towns. "But what about my orange sign?"

Nice pivot. I am not arguing for or against police reform...you two injected that to deflect from the message that was highlighted on the neon sign of that page. They intentionally chose to put in ink, and communicate to HR or whomever hires police, to try and avoid ex-military as candidates.

[seacoaster]

I clicked it, read it, and quoted from it.

You're the one who hasn't read it. You just found that one orange block (because the twitter dude pointed you to it), but still don't seem to know WHOSE opinion that block represents. Hint: that orange block is NOT part of the recommendations of the Racine police reform task force!

Read the document, as I did, to learn more.

This whole dialogue is a small case study in how "information" is created, and is delivered into the willing minds of fellow members of an echo chamber. I loved the complete disregard for the reality that the GOP is effectively defunding state and municipal law enforcement by refusing aid to states, counties and towns. "But what about my orange sign?"

Nice pivot. I am not arguing for or against police reform...you two injected that to deflect from the message that was highlighted on the neon sign of that page. They intentionally chose to put in ink, and communicate to HR or whomever hires police, to try and avoid ex-military as candidates.

Sigh (again)....

[kramerica.inc]

Police Body Camera in Boston

Delusional right wingers on this forum still believe cops can do no wrong.

Could you provide some more insight/proof on this claim you keep repeating?
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone post anything that reflects this. At all. Most people understand that there are bad cops and none are infallible.

[MDlaxfan76]

Police Body Camera in Boston

Delusional right wingers on this forum still believe cops can do no wrong.

Could you provide some more insight/proof on this claim you keep repeating?
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone post anything that reflects this. At all. Most people understand that there are bad cops and none are infallible.

I'd agree with that...our "delusional right wingers on this forum" have relatively limited delusions...it would be a truer statement of the generalized form...eg "many" or "some delusional right wingers"...

Our FanLax "right-wing" cohort by and large are simply stubborn and too easily and too often deluded by right wing propaganda...youth's stubborn refusal to distinguish between the official document and position and what one citizen said is a case in point.

But "cops can do no wrong" would not be in youth's lexicon, I believe.

[cradleandshoot]

Seattle "Defund the police" politician calls the police... for a misdemeanor crime...that she is trying to legalize!

https://mynorthwest.com/2370278/rantz-s ... egalizing/

"It sounded like a gunshot!"



You can't make this stuff up.

And now they want to discriminant against ex-military. https://www.instagram.com/p/CJBxpvrLv71 ... _copy_link

Page 26: https://www.cityofracine.org/uploadedFi ... Report.pdf

When you read stuff from “granderson33” do you just take it on faith then that an entire, multifaceted policy discussion is, for example, excluding ex-military?

It says what it says, and last I checked “exclude” still has the same meaning.

Maybe they should just develop a Fred Rogers school of policing. Instead of handguns the police could be issued nerf guns that fire marshmallows. The bad guys always react positively to a kind and soft voice. Do you know how to say that is a bad thing to do? Very good, I knew you could do it, now pull that womans panties up where they belong and say your very sorry.

[youthathletics]

I'd agree with that...our "delusional right wingers on this forum" have relatively limited delusions...it would be a truer statement of the generalized form...eg "many" or "some delusional right wingers"...

Our FanLax "right-wing" cohort by and large are simply stubborn and too easily and too often deluded by right wing propaganda...youth's stubborn refusal to distinguish between the official document and position and what one citizen said is a case in point.

But "cops can do no wrong" would not be in youth's lexicon, I believe.

Yes, I found the link from social media, but the article is from the city govt' of Racine, Wi, where the bright orange sign said what it said. Seems you are unwilling to recognize that they, the Racine Gov't, called out avoiding ex-military as potential hires, shame on you. I guess in your world, military are just peons and killing machines, un-educated with no discipline, lack qualifications, incapable of tolerance or hell....even being a police officer.