All things CoronaVirus

[wgdsr]

we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx

We should do what Sweden did.

we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.

Can we learn anything at all from them?

i doubt it, maybe vitamin d? we're our own animal and too late now, anyway. get the vaxx. whaddaya got to lose?

Do you know if excess deaths or expected deaths are adjusted to account for lack of mobility and shut downs given COVID?

i'm not sure anyone will tackle that with a consensus behind them. surely, some will try and give cross-country comparisons.

accepted will likely be from each nation's health authority and the euromomos and eurostats of the world the excess deaths and expected deaths vs "normal" years and trends.

and what kings say.

If you can’t compare apples to apples, not sure of the value. My layman’s logic says any number calculated should be adjusted upwards because people haven’t been as mobile this year. If we were operating under these guidelines with no virus, I would think deaths would go down. Less out and about and less contact between humans would lead me to believe we would have less deaths. But someone could argue the opposite.

i think any one person could argue both sides and who would win? what's the end game? and every country is different, so as you're only running the scenario once, how do you make a baseline?

fewer car crashes and pneumonia, more heart attacks, cancer and other diseases that advance for lack of updated healthcare, maybe crime. good luck. im sure peeps will do it though, and give weighted multivariate analysis with a dart's toss. model it.

[Typical Lax Dad]

we'll see when all the excess deaths come up what the final tally is for 2020. for the countries that keep them, anyway.
sweden looks like they'll finish my best guess at around 95,275 total deaths. better if they can control this recent surge, worse of course if it gets worse. but we're only talking about 4 weeks of the year.

sweden had a significant drop both last year and in the months leading up to covid, so their run rate 2015-2018 of 91,500 dropped to 90,960 for 2015-19 as the 2019 number was 2700+ (3%) lower than 15-18. if they finish around 95,275, that'll be 4.1% above the 2015-2018 time frame, and 4.7% above 2015-2019. however, the combined years of 2019 and 2020 will be at an average of 92,020, or within shouting distance of those cumulative time frames after the down year in 2019.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/525 ... of-deaths/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... -per-week/
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ious_years
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistic ... ics&stable
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nu ... k3&lang=en

that would all-in-all be a pretty good result compared to a lot of countries, obviously. and the other scandanavian countries didn't see a similar dip (evidently a light flu season and year for sweden) in 2019. any of them may see a bump themselves, but i don't think much more than 1 or 2 %. norway was running about 2.2% up after week 40 on excess mortality (ec.europa.eu link above).
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201 ... demic.aspx

We should do what Sweden did.

we don't have their vitamin d levels or health and probably not their social distancing discipline. not to mention we don't really share the homogeneity of their anglo-saxon lineage. i'm sure the epidemiologists will sort it all out.

Can we learn anything at all from them?

i doubt it, maybe vitamin d? we're our own animal and too late now, anyway. get the vaxx. whaddaya got to lose?

Do you know if excess deaths or expected deaths are adjusted to account for lack of mobility and shut downs given COVID?

i'm not sure anyone will tackle that with a consensus behind them. surely, some will try and give cross-country comparisons.

accepted will likely be from each nation's health authority and the euromomos and eurostats of the world the excess deaths and expected deaths vs "normal" years and trends.

and what kings say.

If you can’t compare apples to apples, not sure of the value. My layman’s logic says any number calculated should be adjusted upwards because people haven’t been as mobile this year. If we were operating under these guidelines with no virus, I would think deaths would go down. Less out and about and less contact between humans would lead me to believe we would have less deaths. But someone could argue the opposite.

i think any one person could argue both sides and who would win? what's the end game? and every country is different, so as you're only running the scenario once, how do you make a baseline?

fewer car crashes and pneumonia, more heart attacks, cancer and other diseases that advance for lack of updated healthcare, maybe crime. good luck. im sure peeps will do it though, and give weighted multivariate analysis with a dart's toss. model it.

It is a known unknown

[Brooklyn]

F.D.A. Panel Endorses Moderna's Coronavirus Vaccine


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... d=msedgntp


The coronavirus vaccine made by Moderna moved closer to authorization on Thursday, a significant step that would expand the reach of the nation’s vaccination campaign to rural areas and many more hospitals ... The formal decision, expected on Friday, would clear the way for some 5.9 million doses to be shipped around the country starting this weekend ... The Moderna vaccine can be distributed more widely because it can be stored at normal freezer temperatures and, unlike the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, does not require ultracold storage. It also comes in much smaller batches, making it easier for hospitals in less populated areas to use quickly.

“Moderna can go to more places,”


more at link


This sounds a bit more promising than Pfizer's vaccine. First it appears that the test results were more positive, second, it is more readily available, and there appears to be less risk to the more vulnerable members of society. Hopefully at least one more remedy might be made available before Spring. If these prove to be as successful as promised we may well have turned the tide against covid.

[MDlaxfan76]

Petey's buddy Ron in the news: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/us/desan ... index.html

[Brooklyn]

Republican death panel's mantra ~ "we wanted them infected":






Over 300,000 Americans killed in the genocide caused by reich wing tyrannical terrorism much to the glee of the radical far right.

[Brooklyn]

Former Republican New Jersey Governor Chris Christie finally comes out for mask-wearing, but only after he caught serious COVID-19 and ended up in a hospital ICU









Chris Christie stars in national ad saying it was a mistake not to wear a mask at the White House


https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/16/politics ... index.html


Former Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie says in a new national television ad that he regrets not wearing a mask while visiting the White House earlier this year, a choice he acknowledges led to him contracting the coronavirus and spending a week in the ICU.

"This message isn't for everyone. It's for all those people who refuse to wear a mask. You know lying in isolation in ICU for seven days I thought about how wrong I was to remove my mask at the White House," Christie says in the ad. "Today, I think about how wrong it is to let mask wearing divide us, especially as we now know you're twice as likely to get Covid-19 if you don't wear a mask. Because if you don't do the right thing, we could all end up on the wrong side of history. Please wear a mask."





Shouldn't have kissed up to tRUMP for all this time.

If traitor tRUMP had not lied about the efficacy of masks tens of thousands of people's lives could have been saved. Instead, they died in this manufactured genocide thanks to the Republican death panels.

[ABV 8.3%]

n from federal officials.

“This is disruptive and frustrating,” Inslee said in a Thursday tweet.

So at least a dozen states reporting shortfalls. Pfizer says they have no problem. Therefore the problem is in between...simple logic.

Where can we, the general public, read the vaxx distribution list all these states claim exists.

Come back with someone that is in the medical community that is in the pipeline quoting they are being shorted, not French Laundry types.

let it go........The vaxxine is coming. What is your rush?
[/quote]

What is the rush?!?

Over 3,600 confirmed deaths yesterday.

Over 230,000 new cases.

Over 113,000 currently hospitalized with COVID-19.

Over 300,000 total confirmed deaths.

This is a national tragedy on a historic scale. Total U.S. deaths during World War II numbered 405,399. We have already surpassed our World War II combat death total of 291,557. We are going to see over 400,000 American deaths from COVID-19 before the pandemic is over ... and I believe we will eclipse the total number of American deaths from World War II.

THAT is the price of putting someone completely unfit for office in the Oval Office ... a guy who spends more time Tweeting than leading.

Those who supported Trump share in the moral culpability for this national tragedy.

DocBarrister
[/quote][/quote]
Gee Doc, you provided some numbers, just not the ones I asked for. The vaxx distribution list. There's gotta be one. Or, is this fake wrestler, porn star briber guys? And to think, YOU lost to this guy in 2016. I would have killed myslef long ago if I lost to this guy.

Someone made a claim that states don't have vaxxcines, or certainly not the correct amount. Your state, led by the French Laundry gang, (part of?) is supposed to get WHAT AMOUNT?

How can a thinking person value infotainment prose without these amounts? Even the NFL had their shitte together enough to know the amount, or p.s.i., of what an inflated football is supposed to be The amount. California is short, because they said so? No proof.

You don't see a problem with this pattern of lies by the infotainment gang. How many stoopid twatts today, are re-twatting it?

"honey, my tweet was re-tweeted over 100K times !!! J lo, Giselle Brady and DocB even re-tweeted.....so excited "

re=tweets....they ARE part of todays journalism....showing value? Correct?

Same with fecesbook friends.....if not 4 digits, clearly, you have no worth.

next.....


and, speaking of numbers, if the total death toll for the USA remains around 2.8 million, CDC and that other acronym place, says so. That that many died in 2018. By your accounting, the number should be well over 3 million, here in the USA. Is it?

exactly

[Typical Lax Dad]

n from federal officials.

“This is disruptive and frustrating,” Inslee said in a Thursday tweet.

So at least a dozen states reporting shortfalls. Pfizer says they have no problem. Therefore the problem is in between...simple logic.

Where can we, the general public, read the vaxx distribution list all these states claim exists.

Come back with someone that is in the medical community that is in the pipeline quoting they are being shorted, not French Laundry types.

let it go........The vaxxine is coming. What is your rush?

What is the rush?!?

Over 3,600 confirmed deaths yesterday.

Over 230,000 new cases.

Over 113,000 currently hospitalized with COVID-19.

Over 300,000 total confirmed deaths.

This is a national tragedy on a historic scale. Total U.S. deaths during World War II numbered 405,399. We have already surpassed our World War II combat death total of 291,557. We are going to see over 400,000 American deaths from COVID-19 before the pandemic is over ... and I believe we will eclipse the total number of American deaths from World War II.

THAT is the price of putting someone completely unfit for office in the Oval Office ... a guy who spends more time Tweeting than leading.

Those who supported Trump share in the moral culpability for this national tragedy.

DocBarrister
[/quote][/quote]
Gee Doc, you provided some numbers, just not the ones I asked for. The vaxx distribution list. There's gotta be one. Or, is this fake wrestler, porn star briber guys? And to think, YOU lost to this guy in 2016. I would have killed myslef long ago if I lost to this guy.

Someone made a claim that states don't have vaxxcines, or certainly not the correct amount. Your state, led by the French Laundry gang, (part of?) is supposed to get WHAT AMOUNT?

How can a thinking person value infotainment prose without these amounts? Even the NFL had their shitte together enough to know the amount, or p.s.i., of what an inflated football is supposed to be The amount. California is short, because they said so? No proof.

You don't see a problem with this pattern of lies by the infotainment gang. How many stoopid twatts today, are re-twatting it?

"honey, my tweet was re-tweeted over 100K times !!! J lo, Giselle Brady and DocB even re-tweeted.....so excited "

re=tweets....they ARE part of todays journalism....showing value? Correct?

Same with fecesbook friends.....if not 4 digits, clearly, you have no worth.

next.....


and, speaking of numbers, if the total death toll for the USA remains around 2.8 million, CDC and that other acronym place, says so. That that many died in 2018. By your accounting, the number should be well over 3 million, here in the USA. Is it?

exactly
[/quote]

So Covid-19 hasn’t resulted in over 300,000 deaths. Its made up? The vaccine developed for something that doesn’t exist is another conspiracy? We never went to the moon either! EXACTLY

[RedFromMI]

Not sure if this is the best place for this, but WaPo asked readers to sum up 2020 in a word or short phrase and this was the winner:

[ABV 8.3%]

n from federal officials.

“This is disruptive and frustrating,” Inslee said in a Thursday tweet.

So at least a dozen states reporting shortfalls. Pfizer says they have no problem. Therefore the problem is in between...simple logic.

Where can we, the general public, read the vaxx distribution list all these states claim exists.

Come back with someone that is in the medical community that is in the pipeline quoting they are being shorted, not French Laundry types.

let it go........The vaxxine is coming. What is your rush?

What is the rush?!?

Over 3,600 confirmed deaths yesterday.

Over 230,000 new cases.

Over 113,000 currently hospitalized with COVID-19.

Over 300,000 total confirmed deaths.

This is a national tragedy on a historic scale. Total U.S. deaths during World War II numbered 405,399. We have already surpassed our World War II combat death total of 291,557. We are going to see over 400,000 American deaths from COVID-19 before the pandemic is over ... and I believe we will eclipse the total number of American deaths from World War II.

THAT is the price of putting someone completely unfit for office in the Oval Office ... a guy who spends more time Tweeting than leading.

Those who supported Trump share in the moral culpability for this national tragedy.

DocBarrister

[/quote]
Gee Doc, you provided some numbers, just not the ones I asked for. The vaxx distribution list. There's gotta be one. Or, is this fake wrestler, porn star briber guys? And to think, YOU lost to this guy in 2016. I would have killed myslef long ago if I lost to this guy.

Someone made a claim that states don't have vaxxcines, or certainly not the correct amount. Your state, led by the French Laundry gang, (part of?) is supposed to get WHAT AMOUNT?

How can a thinking person value infotainment prose without these amounts? Even the NFL had their shitte together enough to know the amount, or p.s.i., of what an inflated football is supposed to be The amount. California is short, because they said so? No proof.

You don't see a problem with this pattern of lies by the infotainment gang. How many stoopid twatts today, are re-twatting it?

"honey, my tweet was re-tweeted over 100K times !!! J lo, Giselle Brady and DocB even re-tweeted.....so excited "

re=tweets....they ARE part of todays journalism....showing value? Correct?

Same with fecesbook friends.....if not 4 digits, clearly, you have no worth.

next.....


and, speaking of numbers, if the total death toll for the USA remains around 2.8 million, CDC and that other acronym place, says so. That that many died in 2018. By your accounting, the number should be well over 3 million, here in the USA. Is it?

exactly
[/quote]

So Covid-19 hasn’t resulted in over 300,000 deaths. Its made up? The vaccine developed for something that doesn’t exist is another conspiracy? We never went to the moon either! EXACTLY
[/quote]

I think there are just a few, of the 300K dead, that are completely made up, yes. I have provided you an example of a family member, that died from "covid". Even tho his nurse wife asked to see the Positive test results (apparently, they just a$$umed , because they NEVER tested him )

Or the funds being distributed for anything covid........as motivation to "make things up".

and, as you think I callously put it, "they were gonna die in 2020 anyway....so what" , IS there no truth to this? Like my family member, at the tail end of alzheimers. What IS your number, TLD, of the 300K .....three? 11? How many of the dead were obese, diabetes, high blood pressure, or, dying of the various cancers (how did chemo function over 2020? you got an answer for that? hmmm......strangely, shut down, some chemo centers, but, what do I know )

TLD, are you saying that not ONE covid death was literally 100' from hitting earth, after a free fall ,with no chute, out of the cancer plane? Nor ONE person was gonna die...

OK....than you too think the OVERALL death count, for the USA, will be over 3 million dead for 2020. This is your claim?

[Typical Lax Dad]

n from federal officials.

“This is disruptive and frustrating,” Inslee said in a Thursday tweet.

So at least a dozen states reporting shortfalls. Pfizer says they have no problem. Therefore the problem is in between...simple logic.

Where can we, the general public, read the vaxx distribution list all these states claim exists.

Come back with someone that is in the medical community that is in the pipeline quoting they are being shorted, not French Laundry types.

let it go........The vaxxine is coming. What is your rush?

What is the rush?!?

Over 3,600 confirmed deaths yesterday.

Over 230,000 new cases.

Over 113,000 currently hospitalized with COVID-19.

Over 300,000 total confirmed deaths.

This is a national tragedy on a historic scale. Total U.S. deaths during World War II numbered 405,399. We have already surpassed our World War II combat death total of 291,557. We are going to see over 400,000 American deaths from COVID-19 before the pandemic is over ... and I believe we will eclipse the total number of American deaths from World War II.

THAT is the price of putting someone completely unfit for office in the Oval Office ... a guy who spends more time Tweeting than leading.

Those who supported Trump share in the moral culpability for this national tragedy.

DocBarrister

Gee Doc, you provided some numbers, just not the ones I asked for. The vaxx distribution list. There's gotta be one. Or, is this fake wrestler, porn star briber guys? And to think, YOU lost to this guy in 2016. I would have killed myslef long ago if I lost to this guy.

Someone made a claim that states don't have vaxxcines, or certainly not the correct amount. Your state, led by the French Laundry gang, (part of?) is supposed to get WHAT AMOUNT?

How can a thinking person value infotainment prose without these amounts? Even the NFL had their shitte together enough to know the amount, or p.s.i., of what an inflated football is supposed to be The amount. California is short, because they said so? No proof.

You don't see a problem with this pattern of lies by the infotainment gang. How many stoopid twatts today, are re-twatting it?

"honey, my tweet was re-tweeted over 100K times !!! J lo, Giselle Brady and DocB even re-tweeted.....so excited "

re=tweets....they ARE part of todays journalism....showing value? Correct?

Same with fecesbook friends.....if not 4 digits, clearly, you have no worth.

next.....


and, speaking of numbers, if the total death toll for the USA remains around 2.8 million, CDC and that other acronym place, says so. That that many died in 2018. By your accounting, the number should be well over 3 million, here in the USA. Is it?

exactly
[/quote]

So Covid-19 hasn’t resulted in over 300,000 deaths. Its made up? The vaccine developed for something that doesn’t exist is another conspiracy? We never went to the moon either! EXACTLY
[/quote]

I think there are just a few, of the 300K dead, that are completely made up, yes. I have provided you an example of a family member, that died from "covid". Even tho his nurse wife asked to see the Positive test results (apparently, they just a$$umed , because they NEVER tested him )

Or the funds being distributed for anything covid........as motivation to "make things up".

and, as you think I callously put it, "they were gonna die in 2020 anyway....so what" , IS there no truth to this? Like my family member, at the tail end of alzheimers. What IS your number, TLD, of the 300K .....three? 11? How many of the dead were obese, diabetes, high blood pressure, or, dying of the various cancers (how did chemo function over 2020? you got an answer for that? hmmm......strangely, shut down, some chemo centers, but, what do I know )

TLD, are you saying that not ONE covid death was literally 100' from hitting earth, after a free fall ,with no chute, out of the cancer plane? Nor ONE person was gonna die...

OK....than you too think the OVERALL death count, for the USA, will be over 3 million dead for 2020. This is your claim?
[/quote]

Probably 10 people...who really dies from Covid-19. Really. I don’t have a claim.

[wgdsr]

Former Republican New Jersey Governor Chris Christie finally comes out for mask-wearing, but only after he caught serious COVID-19 and ended up in a hospital ICU

Chris Christie stars in national ad saying it was a mistake not to wear a mask at the White House

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/16/politics ... index.html

Former Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie says in a new national television ad that he regrets not wearing a mask while visiting the White House earlier this year, a choice he acknowledges led to him contracting the coronavirus and spending a week in the ICU.

"This message isn't for everyone. It's for all those people who refuse to wear a mask. You know lying in isolation in ICU for seven days I thought about how wrong I was to remove my mask at the White House," Christie says in the ad. "Today, I think about how wrong it is to let mask wearing divide us, especially as we now know you're twice as likely to get Covid-19 if you don't wear a mask. Because if you don't do the right thing, we could all end up on the wrong side of history. Please wear a mask."

Shouldn't have kissed up to tRUMP for all this time.

If traitor tRUMP had not lied about the efficacy of masks tens of thousands of people's lives could have been saved. Instead, they died in this manufactured genocide thanks to the Republican death panels.

has anyone seen or heard where christie got the bolded above from?

[RedFromMI]

Former Republican New Jersey Governor Chris Christie finally comes out for mask-wearing, but only after he caught serious COVID-19 and ended up in a hospital ICU

Chris Christie stars in national ad saying it was a mistake not to wear a mask at the White House

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/16/politics ... index.html

Former Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie says in a new national television ad that he regrets not wearing a mask while visiting the White House earlier this year, a choice he acknowledges led to him contracting the coronavirus and spending a week in the ICU.

"This message isn't for everyone. It's for all those people who refuse to wear a mask. You know lying in isolation in ICU for seven days I thought about how wrong I was to remove my mask at the White House," Christie says in the ad. "Today, I think about how wrong it is to let mask wearing divide us, especially as we now know you're twice as likely to get Covid-19 if you don't wear a mask. Because if you don't do the right thing, we could all end up on the wrong side of history. Please wear a mask."

Shouldn't have kissed up to tRUMP for all this time.

If traitor tRUMP had not lied about the efficacy of masks tens of thousands of people's lives could have been saved. Instead, they died in this manufactured genocide thanks to the Republican death panels.

has anyone seen or heard where christie got the bolded above from?

Most likely debate prep for Trump according to a CNN article I pulled up. No mask wearing then, and right around the time Trump and Melania tested positive as well...

[kramerica.inc]

Republican death panel's mantra ~ "we wanted them infected":






Over 300,000 Americans killed in the genocide caused by reich wing tyrannical terrorism much to the glee of the radical far right.

"Too much data for me."

[wgdsr]

Former Republican New Jersey Governor Chris Christie finally comes out for mask-wearing, but only after he caught serious COVID-19 and ended up in a hospital ICU

Chris Christie stars in national ad saying it was a mistake not to wear a mask at the White House

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/16/politics ... index.html

Former Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie says in a new national television ad that he regrets not wearing a mask while visiting the White House earlier this year, a choice he acknowledges led to him contracting the coronavirus and spending a week in the ICU.

"This message isn't for everyone. It's for all those people who refuse to wear a mask. You know lying in isolation in ICU for seven days I thought about how wrong I was to remove my mask at the White House," Christie says in the ad. "Today, I think about how wrong it is to let mask wearing divide us, especially as we now know you're twice as likely to get Covid-19 if you don't wear a mask. Because if you don't do the right thing, we could all end up on the wrong side of history. Please wear a mask."

Shouldn't have kissed up to tRUMP for all this time.

If traitor tRUMP had not lied about the efficacy of masks tens of thousands of people's lives could have been saved. Instead, they died in this manufactured genocide thanks to the Republican death panels.

has anyone seen or heard where christie got the bolded above from?

Most likely debate prep for Trump according to a CNN article I pulled up. No mask wearing then, and right around the time Trump and Melania tested positive as well...

this part:
"especially as we now know you're twice as likely to get Covid-19 if you don't wear a mask."

[kramerica.inc]

Former Republican New Jersey Governor Chris Christie finally comes out for mask-wearing, but only after he caught serious COVID-19 and ended up in a hospital ICU

Chris Christie stars in national ad saying it was a mistake not to wear a mask at the White House

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/16/politics ... index.html

Former Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie says in a new national television ad that he regrets not wearing a mask while visiting the White House earlier this year, a choice he acknowledges led to him contracting the coronavirus and spending a week in the ICU.

"This message isn't for everyone. It's for all those people who refuse to wear a mask. You know lying in isolation in ICU for seven days I thought about how wrong I was to remove my mask at the White House," Christie says in the ad. "Today, I think about how wrong it is to let mask wearing divide us, especially as we now know you're twice as likely to get Covid-19 if you don't wear a mask. Because if you don't do the right thing, we could all end up on the wrong side of history. Please wear a mask."

Shouldn't have kissed up to tRUMP for all this time.

If traitor tRUMP had not lied about the efficacy of masks tens of thousands of people's lives could have been saved. Instead, they died in this manufactured genocide thanks to the Republican death panels.

has anyone seen or heard where christie got the bolded above from?

Most likely debate prep for Trump according to a CNN article I pulled up. No mask wearing then, and right around the time Trump and Melania tested positive as well...

this part:
"especially as we now know you're twice as likely to get Covid-19 if you don't wear a mask."

Wait, has the "science changed" again?

I thought masks didnt protect the wearer as much as those around them?

[wgdsr]

Former Republican New Jersey Governor Chris Christie finally comes out for mask-wearing, but only after he caught serious COVID-19 and ended up in a hospital ICU

Chris Christie stars in national ad saying it was a mistake not to wear a mask at the White House

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/16/politics ... index.html

Former Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie says in a new national television ad that he regrets not wearing a mask while visiting the White House earlier this year, a choice he acknowledges led to him contracting the coronavirus and spending a week in the ICU.

"This message isn't for everyone. It's for all those people who refuse to wear a mask. You know lying in isolation in ICU for seven days I thought about how wrong I was to remove my mask at the White House," Christie says in the ad. "Today, I think about how wrong it is to let mask wearing divide us, especially as we now know you're twice as likely to get Covid-19 if you don't wear a mask. Because if you don't do the right thing, we could all end up on the wrong side of history. Please wear a mask."

Shouldn't have kissed up to tRUMP for all this time.

If traitor tRUMP had not lied about the efficacy of masks tens of thousands of people's lives could have been saved. Instead, they died in this manufactured genocide thanks to the Republican death panels.

has anyone seen or heard where christie got the bolded above from?

Most likely debate prep for Trump according to a CNN article I pulled up. No mask wearing then, and right around the time Trump and Melania tested positive as well...

this part:
"especially as we now know you're twice as likely to get Covid-19 if you don't wear a mask."

Wait, has the "science changed" again?

I thought masks didnt protect the wearer as much as those around them?

he may be being "conservative". cdc redfield said under oath his mask protects him more than any vaccine. so more than 20x as likely without a mask. go join that house party.

[Brooklyn]

Republican death panel's mantra ~ "we wanted them infected":






Over 300,000 Americans killed in the genocide caused by reich wing tyrannical terrorism much to the glee of the radical far right.

"Too much data for me."

since you are such an expert mebbe you can give us detailed analysis of those reports ~ we'll wait

[CU88]

IMPOTUS o d is such a good businessman...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... story.html

Europe is paying less than U.S. for many coronavirus vaccines

The European Union is paying less money than the United States for a range of coronavirus vaccines, including the Pfizer-BioNTech inoculation currently being rolled out across the country, according to a Washington Post comparison of the breakdowns.

The costs to the E.U. had been confidential until a Belgian official tweeted — and then deleted — a list late Thursday.

Comparing that list to calculations by Bernstein Research, an analysis and investment firm, it appears the 27-nation union has a 24 percent discount on the Pfizer vaccine compared to the United States, paying $14.76 per dose compared to $19.50 in the United States. Some of that difference may reflect that the E.U. subsidized that vaccine’s development.

The bloc will pay 45 percent less than the United States for the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine currently under development. But it will pay 20 percent more than the United States for the Moderna vaccine, which is expected to be approved for U.S. use on Friday.

The per-dose prices of the vaccines are lower than most brand-name drugs, but the hundreds of millions of doses required to vaccinate entire populations will drive up costs significantly for individual countries. Disparities between the higher prices in the United States and Europe in overall drug prices have long driven outrage in Congress.

The E.U. list also underlines why policymakers are hoping AstraZeneca’s vaccine will be effective and will win approval — at $2.19 a dose, it is almost one-seventh the price of the Pfizer vaccine currently being administered in the United States and Britain. Most vaccines currently under development require two doses, although Johnson & Johnson’s — $10 in the United States and just a bit more in Europe — is a single shot.

The E.U. has been secretive about the prices it has negotiated for its 2 billion doses of various vaccines, drawing fire from transparency advocates who say the public and policymakers have a right to know how much they are paying for the inoculations. As in the United States, European countries generally plan to make the vaccines free for their citizens.

The Belgian official, State Secretary for Budget Eva De Bleeker, posted the table of Belgium’s costs for vaccines on Twitter on Thursday, then deleted it shortly afterward. Because the European Union has negotiated collectively for vaccines on behalf of its members, the same prices apply across all of its 27 nations.

A spokesman for De Bleeker confirmed the authenticity of the tweet, and said that it came after a Thursday evening discussion in the Belgian Parliament and opposition charges that there was no money to pay for the vaccines in the country’s 2021 budget.

“The communication team posted the tweet to close the discussion,” said Bavo De Mol, the spokesman. “We wanted to be as transparent as possible, but maybe we were a bit too transparent.”

The breach was first reported by HLN, a Belgian newspaper.

The other European vaccine prices were $9.30 for the one under development by Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline, an 11 percent discount on the U.S. cost, and $12.30 for the one under development by CureVac, for which the United States has not signed contracts.

The European Union contributed part of the cost for the development of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. Others — including some of the ones that are more expensive in the United States — are part of Operation Warp Speed, the U.S.-government-funded effort to fund vaccine research.

The per-dose prices of the vaccines are lower than most brand-name drugs but the hundreds of millions of doses required to vaccinate entire populations will drive up costs significantly for individual countries. Disparities between the higher prices in the United States and Europe in overall drug prices have long driven outrage in Congress.

A spokesman for the European Commission, which negotiated the contracts for the vaccines on behalf of E.U. members, declined to comment about the pricing, other than to say disclosure was a breach of confidentiality clauses of the contracts.

Transparency advocates have been pushing for more information about the cost of the vaccines for months, arguing that since public funds are being used, policymakers and the public should know the prices. The E.U. negotiated as a bloc, but most other countries, including the United States, are negotiating individual contracts with pharmaceutical companies. The confidentiality clauses presumably benefit the manufacturers, since they make it easier to vary the prices from country to country.

The European Medicines Agency is likely to approve the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Monday, with the vaccine expected to roll out across the European Union the final week of December.

The E.U. vaccines will be shared equally across the European Union based on each country’s population size.

[Carroll81]

Sweden's king has said his country "failed" to save lives with its relatively relaxed approach to the coronavirus pandemic.

King Carl XVI Gustaf made the remarks as part of an annual TV review of the year with the royal family.

Sweden, which has never imposed a full lockdown, has seen nearly 350,000 cases and more than 7,800 deaths - a lot more than its Scandinavian neighbours.

Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said he agreed with the king's remarks.

"Of course the fact that so many have died can't be considered as anything other than a failure," Mr Lofven told reporters.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021

Now ... if only that lying, ignorant, narcissistic piece of trash, Donald Trump, and his moronic supporters could be honest for once and admit that they failed, too.

The dead do not lie.

DocBarrister

The King of Sweden apologizes...

"Oh, king, eh? Very nice. And how'd you get that, then? By exploiting the workers! By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society!

You can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!"


Sorry, couldn't resist.