2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[a fan]

The fact that each state is different only complicated the task of the (R)'s to counter the changes made at the last minute.

Great. So you're on the record now. You're telling me that the voting systems for each State were as good as could be EXCEPT with States that made changes to accept mail in votes in 2020.

That cuts your complaints down. Because further? You can't make a complaint about Republican Controlled States.

So give us your list. Tell us which States fit this criteria for "last minute changes", AND were Dem controlled.

Trump's attacks on mail in voting & the USPS were disruptive & depressed (R) mail in turnout.

Yep. And I told you that would happen.

How could the (R)'s demand ID in 2020, when the pandemic necessitated the majority of voting be done by mail ?

Simple. The last election was in 2016. R's could have passed in person-only Voter ID laws in any of 23 States where they had total control for three full years.

Show me where they did that.

[a fan]

The (D)'s had an effective 2 minute offense (see HR1, Stacey Abram's suit/consent decree in GA, & the Carter Center's revision of the Carter-Baker report quoted above).

You lost me here. HR1 is a bill that didn't even reach the floor of the Senate. The Consent Decree was signed by a Republican. And I have no idea why you think a report means anything.

You can't blame a Republican run State (GA) for having fixed/fraudulent/problematic/whateveryouwantocallthem elections that helps the Dems.

At some point, you have to say that fair is fair, and Trump lost.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The President of the United States of America powering through a working dinner: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/sta ... 37920?s=21

I wonder if he called food in?

[old salt]

The fact that each state is different only complicated the task of the (R)'s to counter the changes made at the last minute.

Great. So you're on the record now. You're telling me that the voting systems for each State were as good as could be EXCEPT with States that made changes to accept mail in votes in 2020. I don't know what you are saying, but that's not what I said.

That cuts your complaints down. Because further? You can't make a complaint about Republican Controlled States.
So give us your list. Tell us which States fit this criteria for "last minute changes", AND were Dem controlled.
The states I've heard the most complaints about are naturally the close ones -- PA, MI, WI, GA, NV & AZ. In each state the complaints are complex & different. The rules or contested rulings were made by legislatures, sec's of state, election officials or state courts. I didn't keep score by party. Like I said -- I'm content to let each state hash it out & I'll follow with interest, as best I can.

Trump's attacks on mail in voting & the USPS were disruptive & depressed (R) mail in turnout.

Yep. And I told you that would happen.
No question there. You're a genius.

How could the (R)'s demand ID in 2020, when the pandemic necessitated the majority of voting be done by mail ?

Simple. The last election was in 2016. R's could have passed in person-only Voter ID laws in any of 23 States where they had total control for three full years. So what ? That's irrelevant in a mail in election. Each state had different ID rqmt's in normal (non-pandemic) elections.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections ... er-id.aspx

Show me where they did that.
That's not what I asked. How do you show ID if you vote by mail ? Those states accepted mail in voting, only for 2020, because of the pandemic.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The fact that each state is different only complicated the task of the (R)'s to counter the changes made at the last minute.

Great. So you're on the record now. You're telling me that the voting systems for each State were as good as could be EXCEPT with States that made changes to accept mail in votes in 2020. I don't know what you are saying, but that's not what I said.

That cuts your complaints down. Because further? You can't make a complaint about Republican Controlled States.
So give us your list. Tell us which States fit this criteria for "last minute changes", AND were Dem controlled.
The states I've heard the most complaints about are naturally the close ones -- PA, MI, WI, GA, NV & AZ. In each state the complaints are complex & different. The rules or contested rulings were made by legislatures, sec's of state, election officials or state courts. I didn't keep score by party. Like I said -- I'm content to let each state hash it out & I'll follow with interest, as best I can.

Trump's attacks on mail in voting & the USPS were disruptive & depressed (R) mail in turnout.

Yep. And I told you that would happen.
No question there. You're a genius.

How could the (R)'s demand ID in 2020, when the pandemic necessitated the majority of voting be done by mail ?

Simple. The last election was in 2016. R's could have passed in person-only Voter ID laws in any of 23 States where they had total control for three full years. So what ? That's irrelevant in a mail in election. Each state had different ID rqmt's in normal (non-pandemic) elections.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections ... er-id.aspx

Show me where they did that.
That's not what I asked. How do you show ID if you vote by mail ? Those states accepted mail in voting, only for 2020, because of the pandemic.

Did you pose these questions to Rudy?

[old salt]

The fact that each state is different only complicated the task of the (R)'s to counter the changes made at the last minute.

Great. So you're on the record now. You're telling me that the voting systems for each State were as good as could be EXCEPT with States that made changes to accept mail in votes in 2020. I don't know what you are saying, but that's not what I said.

That cuts your complaints down. Because further? You can't make a complaint about Republican Controlled States.
So give us your list. Tell us which States fit this criteria for "last minute changes", AND were Dem controlled.
The states I've heard the most complaints about are naturally the close ones -- PA, MI, WI, GA, NV & AZ. In each state the complaints are complex & different. The rules or contested rulings were made by legislatures, sec's of state, election officials or state courts. I didn't keep score by party. Like I said -- I'm content to let each state hash it out & I'll follow with interest, as best I can.

Trump's attacks on mail in voting & the USPS were disruptive & depressed (R) mail in turnout.

Yep. And I told you that would happen.
No question there. You're a genius.

How could the (R)'s demand ID in 2020, when the pandemic necessitated the majority of voting be done by mail ?

Simple. The last election was in 2016. R's could have passed in person-only Voter ID laws in any of 23 States where they had total control for three full years. So what ? That's irrelevant in a mail in election. Each state had different ID rqmt's in normal (non-pandemic) elections.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections ... er-id.aspx

Show me where they did that.
That's not what I asked. How do you show ID if you vote by mail ? Those states accepted mail in voting, only for 2020, because of the pandemic.

Did you pose these questions to Rudy?

Good idea. You & afan should have a colloquy with Rudy. I give up on trying to make a serious point.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The fact that each state is different only complicated the task of the (R)'s to counter the changes made at the last minute.

Great. So you're on the record now. You're telling me that the voting systems for each State were as good as could be EXCEPT with States that made changes to accept mail in votes in 2020. I don't know what you are saying, but that's not what I said.

That cuts your complaints down. Because further? You can't make a complaint about Republican Controlled States.
So give us your list. Tell us which States fit this criteria for "last minute changes", AND were Dem controlled.
The states I've heard the most complaints about are naturally the close ones -- PA, MI, WI, GA, NV & AZ. In each state the complaints are complex & different. The rules or contested rulings were made by legislatures, sec's of state, election officials or state courts. I didn't keep score by party. Like I said -- I'm content to let each state hash it out & I'll follow with interest, as best I can.

Trump's attacks on mail in voting & the USPS were disruptive & depressed (R) mail in turnout.

Yep. And I told you that would happen.
No question there. You're a genius.

How could the (R)'s demand ID in 2020, when the pandemic necessitated the majority of voting be done by mail ?

Simple. The last election was in 2016. R's could have passed in person-only Voter ID laws in any of 23 States where they had total control for three full years. So what ? That's irrelevant in a mail in election. Each state had different ID rqmt's in normal (non-pandemic) elections.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections ... er-id.aspx

Show me where they did that.
That's not what I asked. How do you show ID if you vote by mail ? Those states accepted mail in voting, only for 2020, because of the pandemic.

Did you pose these questions to Rudy?

Good idea. You & afan should have a colloquy with Rudy. I give up on trying to make a serious point.

We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

[old salt]

The fact that each state is different only complicated the task of the (R)'s to counter the changes made at the last minute.

Great. So you're on the record now. You're telling me that the voting systems for each State were as good as could be EXCEPT with States that made changes to accept mail in votes in 2020. I don't know what you are saying, but that's not what I said.

That cuts your complaints down. Because further? You can't make a complaint about Republican Controlled States.
So give us your list. Tell us which States fit this criteria for "last minute changes", AND were Dem controlled.
The states I've heard the most complaints about are naturally the close ones -- PA, MI, WI, GA, NV & AZ. In each state the complaints are complex & different. The rules or contested rulings were made by legislatures, sec's of state, election officials or state courts. I didn't keep score by party. Like I said -- I'm content to let each state hash it out & I'll follow with interest, as best I can.

Trump's attacks on mail in voting & the USPS were disruptive & depressed (R) mail in turnout.

Yep. And I told you that would happen.
No question there. You're a genius.

How could the (R)'s demand ID in 2020, when the pandemic necessitated the majority of voting be done by mail ?

Simple. The last election was in 2016. R's could have passed in person-only Voter ID laws in any of 23 States where they had total control for three full years. So what ? That's irrelevant in a mail in election. Each state had different ID rqmt's in normal (non-pandemic) elections.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections ... er-id.aspx

Show me where they did that.
That's not what I asked. How do you show ID if you vote by mail ? Those states accepted mail in voting, only for 2020, because of the pandemic.

Did you pose these questions to Rudy?

Good idea. You & afan should have a colloquy with Rudy. I give up on trying to make a serious point.

We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The fact that each state is different only complicated the task of the (R)'s to counter the changes made at the last minute.

Great. So you're on the record now. You're telling me that the voting systems for each State were as good as could be EXCEPT with States that made changes to accept mail in votes in 2020. I don't know what you are saying, but that's not what I said.

That cuts your complaints down. Because further? You can't make a complaint about Republican Controlled States.
So give us your list. Tell us which States fit this criteria for "last minute changes", AND were Dem controlled.
The states I've heard the most complaints about are naturally the close ones -- PA, MI, WI, GA, NV & AZ. In each state the complaints are complex & different. The rules or contested rulings were made by legislatures, sec's of state, election officials or state courts. I didn't keep score by party. Like I said -- I'm content to let each state hash it out & I'll follow with interest, as best I can.

Trump's attacks on mail in voting & the USPS were disruptive & depressed (R) mail in turnout.

Yep. And I told you that would happen.
No question there. You're a genius.

How could the (R)'s demand ID in 2020, when the pandemic necessitated the majority of voting be done by mail ?

Simple. The last election was in 2016. R's could have passed in person-only Voter ID laws in any of 23 States where they had total control for three full years. So what ? That's irrelevant in a mail in election. Each state had different ID rqmt's in normal (non-pandemic) elections.
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections ... er-id.aspx

Show me where they did that.
That's not what I asked. How do you show ID if you vote by mail ? Those states accepted mail in voting, only for 2020, because of the pandemic.

Did you pose these questions to Rudy?

Good idea. You & afan should have a colloquy with Rudy. I give up on trying to make a serious point.

We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af5 ... b35e82c18d



What did Rudy find? You are in the tank.

[RedFromMI]

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We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... _Integrity

The one Trump put into place after the last election (headed by Kris Kobach) that found NO voter fraud.

That commission was just an excuse to look for reasons for more voter suppression. Which is what any commission put together now would be.

Fortunately with Biden in office, that kind of nonsense won't happen.

[old salt]

(omitted)

We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... _Integrity

The one Trump put into place after the last election (headed by Kris Kobach) that found NO voter fraud.

That commission was just an excuse to look for reasons for more voter suppression. Which is what any commission put together now would be.

Fortunately with Biden in office, that kind of nonsense won't happen.

Yeah. Nobody, at the Fed level will look, which is just as well -- it's an issue for the states.

To bring up the 2016 election is a red herring. Entirely different rules.

[Typical Lax Dad]

(omitted)

We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... _Integrity

The one Trump put into place after the last election (headed by Kris Kobach) that found NO voter fraud.

That commission was just an excuse to look for reasons for more voter suppression. Which is what any commission put together now would be.

Fortunately with Biden in office, that kind of nonsense won't happen.

Yeah. Nobody, at the Fed level will look, which is just as well -- it's an issue for the states.

To bring up the 2016 election is a red herring. Entirely different rules.

Bring back the poll tax!! MAGA!!

[old salt]

Did you pose these questions to Rudy?

Good idea. You & afan should have a colloquy with Rudy. I give up on trying to make a serious point.

We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af5 ... b35e82c18d



What did Rudy find? You are in the tank.

Reset your watch. This is 2020, not 2016.
Look at the complications caused by a last minute rule change by a Governor, in just one district.
70k absentee ballots to examine & process when they normally have only 7k.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/claudi ... challenges

[Typical Lax Dad]

Did you pose these questions to Rudy?

Good idea. You & afan should have a colloquy with Rudy. I give up on trying to make a serious point.

We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af5 ... b35e82c18d



What did Rudy find? You are in the tank.

Look at the complications caused by a last minute rule change by a Governor, in just one district.
70k absentee ballots to examine & process when they normally have only 7k.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/claudi ... challenges

BFD. Order in food and keep working.

[Typical Lax Dad]

MAGA

[Typical Lax Dad]

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We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... _Integrity

The one Trump put into place after the last election (headed by Kris Kobach) that found NO voter fraud.

That commission was just an excuse to look for reasons for more voter suppression. Which is what any commission put together now would be.

Fortunately with Biden in office, that kind of nonsense won't happen.

Yep....given the sheer volume of mail in ballots this past election, you would have thought Sydney and Rudy would have produced one piece of evidence....These people want to determine who is qualified to vote....

[RedFromMI]

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We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... _Integrity

The one Trump put into place after the last election (headed by Kris Kobach) that found NO voter fraud.

That commission was just an excuse to look for reasons for more voter suppression. Which is what any commission put together now would be.

Fortunately with Biden in office, that kind of nonsense won't happen.

Yep....given the sheer volume of mail in ballots this past election, you would have thought Sydney and Rudy would have produced one piece of evidence....These people want to determine who is qualified to vote....

And their determination is only those who vote for their side...

[RedFromMI]

(omitted)

We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... _Integrity

The one Trump put into place after the last election (headed by Kris Kobach) that found NO voter fraud.

That commission was just an excuse to look for reasons for more voter suppression. Which is what any commission put together now would be.

Fortunately with Biden in office, that kind of nonsense won't happen.

Yeah. Nobody, at the Fed level will look, which is just as well -- it's an issue for the states.

To bring up the 2016 election is a red herring. Entirely different rules.

Not really - just a lot of people who voted using different methods. But absentee and mail balloting has been done in all states to some degree, so not really a vastly different set of rules - just a much different set of desires for how the voters wanted to vote.

[old salt]

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We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... _Integrity

The one Trump put into place after the last election (headed by Kris Kobach) that found NO voter fraud.

That commission was just an excuse to look for reasons for more voter suppression. Which is what any commission put together now would be.

Fortunately with Biden in office, that kind of nonsense won't happen.

Yeah. Nobody, at the Fed level will look, which is just as well -- it's an issue for the states.

To bring up the 2016 election is a red herring. Entirely different rules.

Not really - just a lot of people who voted using different methods. But absentee and mail balloting has been done in all states to some degree, so not really a vastly different set of rules - just a much different set of desires for how the voters wanted to vote.

Not vastly different ? One district in NY which normally processes 7k absentee ballots is still trying to process 70k absentee ballots.

[RedFromMI]

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We had a voter fraud commission disbanded after two years of investigating which turned up nothing....Add to it in an election where we had more mail in ballots ever in the history of this country, including millions of “junk mail” ballots, your team couldn’t produce any evidence at all.... serious point? It’s a joke. How many courts have to tell you that? You are looking for an excuse for more voter suppression. This was a well run election based on the post election scrutiny....we should do MORE of it. Great civic participation....it is what it means to be The United States of America

Voter fraud commission ? ...post election scrutiny ? By who ? The election was just 6 weeks ago. Still recounting in NY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President ... _Integrity

The one Trump put into place after the last election (headed by Kris Kobach) that found NO voter fraud.

That commission was just an excuse to look for reasons for more voter suppression. Which is what any commission put together now would be.

Fortunately with Biden in office, that kind of nonsense won't happen.

Yeah. Nobody, at the Fed level will look, which is just as well -- it's an issue for the states.

To bring up the 2016 election is a red herring. Entirely different rules.

Not really - just a lot of people who voted using different methods. But absentee and mail balloting has been done in all states to some degree, so not really a vastly different set of rules - just a much different set of desires for how the voters wanted to vote.

Not vastly different ? One district in NY which normally processes 7k absentee ballots is still trying to process 70k absentee ballots.

The _rules_ are not that different. The mix of ballots are, and a lot of states did not adjust their processing to match. In PA and MI, for example the R legislature intentionally refused to allow any processing of mail/dropped off ballots in advance to get a start on the counting. Part of the whole attempt to make it look like Trump won on election night and “suspicious” mail ballots would be responsible for Biden’s going ahead. But the counts were not close enough to steal the election, and no courts would go along.

If the margins would have been narrower (especially in the EC) they might have been able to pull off the steal.