All things CoronaVirus

[MDlaxfan76]

Show of hands: anyone left who thinks that our scientists are calling the shots with no political interference during this pandemic?

White House orders FDA chief to authorize Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine Friday or submit his resignation


...and this move should be a BIG help in convincing anti-vaxxers that the Pfizer vaccine is safe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... GvkxiiGMWs

... someone with a tiny tiny dick, pi**ing in all the corners. Trying to prove his relevance.

well...that's a vivid image...

[wgdsr]

there's obviously political pressure, fo sho. as far as being in charge... given how pi$$ed donald is, i'm surprised you say it's obvious. but maybe you know more than me about it.

Can you show me an organizational chart that show that Trump works for Fauci?

Or an organizational chart that shows that any of our Governor's report to any scientist you can think of?

So yes, obvious.

so at first i thought there was a really good chance you were being condescending to me for some reason. and i guess this means i should now be 100% sure that you were? not sure why or where that's coming from, but hey! everybody's on edge. it's a pandemic.

Always good to remember this and cut each other some extra slack.

I suspect a fan read you as 'flippant' and 'argumentative' as much as you read him as 'condescending'.

I know I'm on edge a heck of a lot more than I want to be...

i try not to draw first blood and often don't succeed. not sure where flippant and argumentative is.

i said it wouldn't surprise me, and quoted hahn as saying it was an untrue characterization of the convo. pretty agreeable and bland, with new info.

As I said, (agreeing with your point), we should all cut others a little extra slack, not read into anyone's comments more than maybe they're just a little testy, a little stressed.

I can see 'flippant' and 'argumentative' frequently in your posts, including that exchange with a fan, however I'm rarely sure whether that's your intention or you just like to debate...discuss...like I do!

I tend to agree that it is "obvious" that there's been a ton of political pressure out of the White House onto the scientists, much of it quite unhelpful, and I'm not really sure there's much reason to debate that reality...however, you seem to want to debate it...but again, that could be a mistaken read...

ftr, i didn't debate anything about the reality of political pressure. in fact i confirmed it. multiple times.

so are you saying there's something flippant or argumentative about what i just reposted? in your view, anyway?
all ears.

[jhu72]

Show of hands: anyone left who thinks that our scientists are calling the shots with no political interference during this pandemic?

White House orders FDA chief to authorize Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine Friday or submit his resignation


...and this move should be a BIG help in convincing anti-vaxxers that the Pfizer vaccine is safe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... GvkxiiGMWs

... someone with a tiny tiny dick, pi**ing in all the corners. Trying to prove his relevance.

well...that's a vivid image...

... like all the scientist and bureaucrats working the problem don't have an understanding of the urgency.

[CU77]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/europe/e ... index.html

Maybe the governments should realize the answer is to do nothing. Let the people sort it out.

thanks. i miss those daily briefings on how we were doing versus europe, good to get an update.

maybe germany and co. should try masks like us. they're slacking.

From the article: "Germany tallied 598 fatalities in a span of 24 hours".

That's 7.2 deaths per million. US recent daily deaths of 3054 is 9.3 per million.

Germany is doing WAY better than the US on cumulative covid death totals per million. And I expect Germany to get this spike under better control much faster than the US will.

[wgdsr]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/europe/e ... index.html

Maybe the governments should realize the answer is to do nothing. Let the people sort it out.

thanks. i miss those daily briefings on how we were doing versus europe, good to get an update.

maybe germany and co. should try masks like us. they're slacking.

From the article: "Germany tallied 598 fatalities in a span of 24 hours".

That's 7.2 deaths per million. US recent daily deaths of 3054 is 9.3 per million.

Germany is doing WAY better than the US on cumulative covid death totals per million. And I expect Germany to get this spike under better control much faster than the US will.

i agree. and if they start wearing masks, maybe even sooner.

they've had a secret sauce, whatever it is. nations all around them in worse shape.

[MDlaxfan76]

there's obviously political pressure, fo sho. as far as being in charge... given how pi$$ed donald is, i'm surprised you say it's obvious. but maybe you know more than me about it.

Can you show me an organizational chart that show that Trump works for Fauci?

Or an organizational chart that shows that any of our Governor's report to any scientist you can think of?

So yes, obvious.

so at first i thought there was a really good chance you were being condescending to me for some reason. and i guess this means i should now be 100% sure that you were? not sure why or where that's coming from, but hey! everybody's on edge. it's a pandemic.

Always good to remember this and cut each other some extra slack.

I suspect a fan read you as 'flippant' and 'argumentative' as much as you read him as 'condescending'.

I know I'm on edge a heck of a lot more than I want to be...

i try not to draw first blood and often don't succeed. not sure where flippant and argumentative is.

i said it wouldn't surprise me, and quoted hahn as saying it was an untrue characterization of the convo. pretty agreeable and bland, with new info.

As I said, (agreeing with your point), we should all cut others a little extra slack, not read into anyone's comments more than maybe they're just a little testy, a little stressed.

I can see 'flippant' and 'argumentative' frequently in your posts, including that exchange with a fan, however I'm rarely sure whether that's your intention or you just like to debate...discuss...like I do!

I tend to agree that it is "obvious" that there's been a ton of political pressure out of the White House onto the scientists, much of it quite unhelpful, and I'm not really sure there's much reason to debate that reality...however, you seem to want to debate it...but again, that could be a mistaken read...

I bolded the part that could be read as either flippant or argumentative or both. Similarly, your exchange with TLD right before that could be read as such.

But I don't think you meant it that way, you just have a style that takes exception, sometimes seemingly just for drill...I can be said to do the same at times, so I don't think you need to sweat it (or I do too! )...nor to think that a fan's response was intended as "condescending". "Peeved" might be better description, but who knows what's really in the mind of others sometimes?

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/europe/e ... index.html

Maybe the governments should realize the answer is to do nothing. Let the people sort it out.

thanks. i miss those daily briefings on how we were doing versus europe, good to get an update.

maybe germany and co. should try masks like us. they're slacking.

From the article: "Germany tallied 598 fatalities in a span of 24 hours".

That's 7.2 deaths per million. US recent daily deaths of 3054 is 9.3 per million.

Germany is doing WAY better than the US on cumulative covid death totals per million. And I expect Germany to get this spike under better control much faster than the US will.

i agree. and if they start wearing masks, maybe even sooner.

they've had a secret sauce, whatever it is. nations all around them in worse shape.

Is there some reason to think that Germans aren't wearing masks, distancing, etc as well as Americans are? I wasn't aware they were battling this another way...genuinely interested, not arguing.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/europe/e ... index.html

Maybe the governments should realize the answer is to do nothing. Let the people sort it out.

thanks. i miss those daily briefings on how we were doing versus europe, good to get an update.

maybe germany and co. should try masks like us. they're slacking.

No mask is better.

then they should pick it up! they got cocky.

Missed my edit

already edited for your edit.

[Typical Lax Dad]

We have burst through the 300 thousand mark!

[wgdsr]

there's obviously political pressure, fo sho. as far as being in charge... given how pi$$ed donald is, i'm surprised you say it's obvious. but maybe you know more than me about it.

Can you show me an organizational chart that show that Trump works for Fauci?

Or an organizational chart that shows that any of our Governor's report to any scientist you can think of?

So yes, obvious.

so at first i thought there was a really good chance you were being condescending to me for some reason. and i guess this means i should now be 100% sure that you were? not sure why or where that's coming from, but hey! everybody's on edge. it's a pandemic.

Always good to remember this and cut each other some extra slack.

I suspect a fan read you as 'flippant' and 'argumentative' as much as you read him as 'condescending'.

I know I'm on edge a heck of a lot more than I want to be...

i try not to draw first blood and often don't succeed. not sure where flippant and argumentative is.

i said it wouldn't surprise me, and quoted hahn as saying it was an untrue characterization of the convo. pretty agreeable and bland, with new info.

As I said, (agreeing with your point), we should all cut others a little extra slack, not read into anyone's comments more than maybe they're just a little testy, a little stressed.

I can see 'flippant' and 'argumentative' frequently in your posts, including that exchange with a fan, however I'm rarely sure whether that's your intention or you just like to debate...discuss...like I do!

I tend to agree that it is "obvious" that there's been a ton of political pressure out of the White House onto the scientists, much of it quite unhelpful, and I'm not really sure there's much reason to debate that reality...however, you seem to want to debate it...but again, that could be a mistaken read...

I bolded the part that could be read as either flippant or argumentative or both. Similarly, your exchange with TLD right before that could be read as such.

But I don't think you meant it that way, you just have a style that takes exception, sometimes seemingly just for drill...I can be said to do the same at times, so I don't think you need to sweat it (or I do too! )...nor to think that a fan's response was intended as "condescending". "Peeved" might be better description, but who knows what's really in the mind of others sometimes?

ok, fine. note that's the last part of the exchange for your future observations. i didn't say if i'm condescended to, i'll just sit there and take it. maybe i'll let it pass, maybe i won't. also for the record, that was me letting it go. my retort was a good deal earlier.

tld and i are fine, i'm fairly confident. try not to read into our exchanges too much. a fan, too, prior to now and i'm guessing this blows over given what i can tell about him.

[MDlaxfan76]

Yes, I read the whole thing.

Again, I think you nailed it with the comment on folks being on edge. I know that applies to me!

We should all cut each other a bit of extra slack...IMO.

[CU77]

Is there some reason to think that Germans aren't wearing masks, distancing, etc as well as Americans are? I wasn't aware they were battling this another way...genuinely interested, not arguing.

No reason that I know of.

Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in Germany
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 2015954117

Most of Germany imposes $59 fine for mask-wearing breaches (at the end of August)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-72655767

In one German state, passengers without masks on trains and buses were handed hefty spot fines in a major police operation
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-coronavir ... a-54679500

[MDlaxfan76]

Is there some reason to think that Germans aren't wearing masks, distancing, etc as well as Americans are? I wasn't aware they were battling this another way...genuinely interested, not arguing.

No reason that I know of.

Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in Germany
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 2015954117

Most of Germany imposes $59 fine for mask-wearing breaches (at the end of August)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-72655767

In one German state, passengers without masks on trains and buses were handed hefty spot fines in a major police operation
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-coronavir ... a-54679500

That was my impression, not sure what Wgdsr is alluding to.

[wgdsr]

Yes, I read the whole thing.

Again, I think you nailed it with the comment on folks being on edge. I know that applies to me!

We should all cut each other a bit of extra slack...IMO.

ah. just saw the blue bold retort. yup. that was it.

[wgdsr]

Is there some reason to think that Germans aren't wearing masks, distancing, etc as well as Americans are? I wasn't aware they were battling this another way...genuinely interested, not arguing.

No reason that I know of.

Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in Germany
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 2015954117

Most of Germany imposes $59 fine for mask-wearing breaches (at the end of August)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-72655767

In one German state, passengers without masks on trains and buses were handed hefty spot fines in a major police operation
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-coronavir ... a-54679500

https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany? ... &tab=trend

[MDlaxfan76]

Is there some reason to think that Germans aren't wearing masks, distancing, etc as well as Americans are? I wasn't aware they were battling this another way...genuinely interested, not arguing.

No reason that I know of.

Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in Germany
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 2015954117

Most of Germany imposes $59 fine for mask-wearing breaches (at the end of August)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-72655767

In one German state, passengers without masks on trains and buses were handed hefty spot fines in a major police operation
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-coronavir ... a-54679500

https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany? ... &tab=trend

Thanks, I wondered whether you were referring to the IHME estimates. I've thought their mask estimates about the US were wildly high, based upon my own observations 'out in the wild'...I wonder how they arrive at these estimates?

[jhu72]

Update on vaccine availability. Looks like there is an option to purchase another 400M of Pfizer, no date specified. Just purchased another 100M of Modern off option allocation. Plan seems to be to cover 150M people by end of Q2. 100M Moderna and 50M Pfizer.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Is there some reason to think that Germans aren't wearing masks, distancing, etc as well as Americans are? I wasn't aware they were battling this another way...genuinely interested, not arguing.

No reason that I know of.

Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in Germany
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 2015954117

Most of Germany imposes $59 fine for mask-wearing breaches (at the end of August)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-72655767

In one German state, passengers without masks on trains and buses were handed hefty spot fines in a major police operation
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-coronavir ... a-54679500

https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany? ... &tab=trend

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/why-ger ... rking.html

“Germany started its "lockdown light" on Monday, which is set to last for the month of November. The new restrictions include the closure of bars, restaurants, cinemas, theaters and gyms, as well as the re-introduction of physical-distancing measures.”

Germany ramp up mitigation and things got worse!! I don’t believe it!! People became increasingly vigilant and the virus started to rage!

[wgdsr]

Is there some reason to think that Germans aren't wearing masks, distancing, etc as well as Americans are? I wasn't aware they were battling this another way...genuinely interested, not arguing.

No reason that I know of.

Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in Germany
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 2015954117

Most of Germany imposes $59 fine for mask-wearing breaches (at the end of August)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-72655767

In one German state, passengers without masks on trains and buses were handed hefty spot fines in a major police operation
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-coronavir ... a-54679500

https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany? ... &tab=trend

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/why-ger ... rking.html

“Germany started its "lockdown light" on Monday, which is set to last for the month of November. The new restrictions include the closure of bars, restaurants, cinemas, theaters and gyms, as well as the re-introduction of physical-distancing measures.”

germany will get it buttoned up.

they've been the loss leader, in a good way.

epidemiologists will have a field day for years after this pandemic. i saw a month or so ago they had had 5 kids under 18 in icu. total. they're tanks.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Is there some reason to think that Germans aren't wearing masks, distancing, etc as well as Americans are? I wasn't aware they were battling this another way...genuinely interested, not arguing.

No reason that I know of.

Face masks considerably reduce COVID-19 cases in Germany
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 2015954117

Most of Germany imposes $59 fine for mask-wearing breaches (at the end of August)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory ... s-72655767

In one German state, passengers without masks on trains and buses were handed hefty spot fines in a major police operation
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-coronavir ... a-54679500

https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany? ... &tab=trend

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/why-ger ... rking.html

“Germany started its "lockdown light" on Monday, which is set to last for the month of November. The new restrictions include the closure of bars, restaurants, cinemas, theaters and gyms, as well as the re-introduction of physical-distancing measures.”

germany will get it buttoned up.

they've been the loss leader, in a good way.

epidemiologists will have a field day for years after this pandemic. i saw a month or so ago they had had 5 kids under 18 in icu. total. they're tanks.

Talked to a friend that’s a nurse at the OSU hospital....she was kind of depressed....a good friend of her’s lost both parents to COVID this week...that’s not what had her depressed..... she said seeing patients back in the hospital for a second time with COVID has her down.......worried about when it will end....that is not good.