old salt wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:06 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:48 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:36 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:52 am
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:42 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:33 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:53 pm
They were not a certification of the results.
That's
literally what that was. You're not even pretending to follow what's happening, OS....just charging on, demanding some super-secret investigation is on dock next.
Now that the court cases have been dismissed, all 50 State elections are legally certified.
It's literally today's headline:
"All 50 States Have Certified the 2020 Election Results"
Courts don't certify elections. They rule only on what's placed before them.
The certifications are done by the state govts, not the courts.
Constant parsing. The Courts were presented with ALL the evidence that was in support of the alleged massive fraud...and they found them to be baloney, no credible evidence of actual significant fraud, much less massive fraud. In many cases the judges were quite blunt in their dismissals...and these included GOP judges.
Counts were redone. Including in GOP run States. GOP as well as Dem Secretaries of State and Governors have consistently said there was no significant election fraud or count issues in their State.
Yes, the State governments have ALL certified each of their counts as accurate and certified the winner in each State.
All as supposed to be done under the law.
And yet that's not enough for you.
A fan is right. Doc is right.
No. afan is wrong. The courts do not certify elections. It's not parsing to point that out.
The courts must rule on the evidence which can be placed before them, in a very limited amount of time.
What constitutes "significant" election fraud or count issues ?
Does it have to be enough to have changed the outcome in national or statewide contests to be considered "significant " ?
The courts had jurisdiction to stop a certification, all refused to do so because the evidence presented was so disgustingly skimpy, yet the claims of the clowns who brought the cases were so outrageously exaggerated. Many of the cases drew sharp rebukes from the courts.
Deal with it.
There was no credible evidence presented of widespread fraud, certainly no instances remotely close to enough to change the course of any race in the 50 (count'em) cases presented to the courts. The processes and procedures of voting worked as intended, the only real issue, apparently, was that Biden won, both in popular vote and in the electoral count, as certified by all 50 states.
Get over it.
I agree that Biden won. I acknowledged it, accepted it & posted about it here within 12 hrs of the polls closing.
I dealt with it immediately. This is post election housekeeping.
My point (I say again) is that significant changes were hastily made in how we did this election because of covid. Some of those changes appear to be contrary to state constitutions. Some increase the opportunity for fraud or error. That needs to be examined, documented & factored into the states' lawmaking & preparations for the next election. Not swept under the rug,
Whoa, you knew within 12 hours of the polls closing that Biden had definitely won and you said so? Heck, I was rooting for the guy but wasn't THAT certain.
Nope...you keep alleging that there was substantial fraud being 'swept under the rug'...and that's the BS you're getting called out on.
The notion that ANY of the rules regarding the election were unconstitutional for any state is specious, and if any such were truly at issue, those cases should have been brought in the numerous months prior to the election, not the last moment or post election.
That said, I have no issue with legislatures grappling with how they'd like to run elections going forward. I'm for making voting easier, on more days, and in more ways, all with appropriate risk mitigation measures to ensure an accurate count.
For instance, I think Texas should have far more drop boxes, especially in densely populated areas, and more access to mail-in/drop box voting, as well as more days of early voting...heck, I'd be particularly pleased if they didn't allow polling places to force people into lines for the voting machines assigned to their party registration...