MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:53 am
wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:47 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:35 am
wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:21 am
or maybe misinformation and framing is the issue?
as an example, what you got out of it was "Vaccines not working, programs being cancelled, are bad news...not two ways about it."
which vaccines are now "not working" or were "cancelled" in the last 24 hours that affect the united states? one trial was postponed. that affects us for depth in like june or july if everyone else's not yet approved prove to be ineffective. but they were way behind everyone else in our portfolio. postponement had nothing to do with whether their vaccine was effective, as 72 said. but again, they were last in line by months anyway.
If 72 was incorrect in his list of the NEWS, that's one thing, however, there's really no question that it's BAD when a vaccine in the portfolio of possibles fails, more so when several such do, whether because results come in disappointingly or are otherwise cancelled or postponed.
This is a race against the virus, the drive to have enough people vaccinated as swiftly as possible. Obviously.
Again, his suggestion in response to this NEWS was constructive, IMO.
I think people are overly sensitive to news that isn't "framed" in the most optimistic way, but rather presented realistically so as to suggest the need to address such reality.
ok... without looking, what's your take on azn? what has changed as far as we're concerned with them in last 24 hours?
what about sanofi? what do you take from "their vaccine is
currently not effective for patients over 50 years old"?
what about queensland? what kind of disaster is that for us?
no peeking. what would you assume or take out of it?
Not a darn thing, you guys are way more up to speed than I am.
I'm patiently waiting for those I trust to be expert to work through these issues...in the meantime I'll 'trust' you guys to share any greater expertise or timely info than I have.
I just think we can tone down the attacks at one another, share info we have, share opinions about going forward, explaining why...
how about this... sanofi, who hadn't even initiated phase 3 trials yet, completely botched their manufacturing. now, we're in a pandemic, yada yada, and maybe this alone should disqualify them from being a partner long term bc we're #1and only work with winners and every other country can go pound sand. not my take, but if someone felt that way, fine. their "vaccine" was not ineffective with 50 year olds, their diluted vaccine was.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/11/san ... 9-vaccine/
anyway, that's the real news there.
queensland? i have no idea what that's about or why we care. maybe 72 knows. silver lining, some peeps maybe in australia that thought they had aids are relieved today:
https://www.dw.com/en/australia-ends-lo ... a-55900847
he might have missed it bc it was 2 days ago, but there actually was new news on jnj not announced here:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/09/joh ... se-in-u-s/
unfortunately bc there are so many cases, their trials will wrap sooner and with 40000 participants instead of 60k. bad news/good news?
azn? nothing's changed. 38,000+ of 50,000 participants still to come. with the results from moderna and pfizer, it's not likely they'll be able to apply successfully south of 30,000 participants to the fda. my guess is that my boys at ihme have the modeling wrong on jan 7 approval. it's likely no earlier than february if all goes well, same as jnj. they have to use that 38k for many other factions (older, minority).