What shall I call them, to make you happy?
In law, they are often referred to as "unborn children."
Please let me know.
Exactly, and even if you are talking about terminating a pregnancy, as such, the myriad circumstances under which people come to that decision are not really subject to this sort of specious characterization.
Again maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:50 pmYou don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:27 pmNo funerals either...kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:02 pmWow, staggering numbers.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:53 pmYesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:07 pm Deadliest days in American history:
1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
Thanks!
Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.
And in another sad bit of number trivia-
On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.
Talk about a tragedy.
And you think that's a funny retort? Or remotely accurate?kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:50 pmYou don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:27 pmNo funerals either...kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:02 pmWow, staggering numbers.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:53 pmYesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:07 pm Deadliest days in American history:
1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
Thanks!
Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.
And in another sad bit of number trivia-
On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.
Talk about a tragedy.
Agreed.seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:02 pmAgain maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:50 pmYou don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:27 pmNo funerals either...kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:02 pmWow, staggering numbers.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:53 pmYesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:07 pm Deadliest days in American history:
1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
Thanks!
Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.
And in another sad bit of number trivia-
On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.
Talk about a tragedy.
Yes. Please hide this elsewhere, so we're not forced to confront it while pontificating about how bad Trump is.seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:02 pmAgain maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:50 pmYou don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:27 pmNo funerals either...kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:02 pmWow, staggering numbers.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:53 pmYesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:07 pm Deadliest days in American history:
1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
Thanks!
Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.
And in another sad bit of number trivia-
On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.
Talk about a tragedy.
You should become a professional point-misser; you are a talented amateur already!!old salt wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:22 pmYes. Please hide this elsewhere, so we're not forced to confront it while pontificating about how bad Trump is.seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:02 pmAgain maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:50 pmYou don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:27 pmNo funerals either...kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:02 pmWow, staggering numbers.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:53 pmYesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:07 pm Deadliest days in American history:
1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
Thanks!
Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.
And in another sad bit of number trivia-
On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.
Talk about a tragedy.
As soon as you master attribution when quoting copyrighted content, you'll make a great moderator.seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:30 pmYou should become a professional point-misser; you are a talented amateur already!!old salt wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:22 pmYes. Please hide this elsewhere, so we're not forced to confront it while pontificating about how bad Trump is.seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:02 pmAgain maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:50 pmYou don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:27 pmNo funerals either...kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:02 pmWow, staggering numbers.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:53 pmYesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:07 pm Deadliest days in American history:
1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
Thanks!
Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.
And in another sad bit of number trivia-
On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.
Talk about a tragedy.
I just think that the issues associated with this subject (choice, reproductive rights, pregnancy terminations, and the extent to which government can compel a woman to take her pregnancy to term is an issue that deserves a thread of its own, and not scattered relatively randomly around the SCOTUS thread, the Conservative Ideology or Progressive Ideology threads, or the Orange Duce thread. Having its own thread would hardly "hide [it] elsewhere;" on the contrary, it would provide a specific location for this topic and the often intense debate it gets.
I don't want to be a moderator; many of us know how you must long for that behind the scenes authority to, umm, curate the posts of other folks that you had at the old LP. And you misinterpret the copyright laws, and don't attend to the details of conveying the content. But good try.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:47 pmAs soon as you master attribution when quoting copyrighted content, you'll make a great moderator.seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:30 pmYou should become a professional point-misser; you are a talented amateur already!!old salt wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:22 pmYes. Please hide this elsewhere, so we're not forced to confront it while pontificating about how bad Trump is.seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:02 pmAgain maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:50 pmYou don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:27 pmNo funerals either...kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:02 pmWow, staggering numbers.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:53 pmYesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:07 pm Deadliest days in American history:
1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
Thanks!
Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.
And in another sad bit of number trivia-
On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.
Talk about a tragedy.
I just think that the issues associated with this subject (choice, reproductive rights, pregnancy terminations, and the extent to which government can compel a woman to take her pregnancy to term is an issue that deserves a thread of its own, and not scattered relatively randomly around the SCOTUS thread, the Conservative Ideology or Progressive Ideology threads, or the Orange Duce thread. Having its own thread would hardly "hide [it] elsewhere;" on the contrary, it would provide a specific location for this topic and the often intense debate it gets.
Fetuses. They aren’t “children,” as you well know.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:54 pmWhat shall I call them, to make you happy?
In law, they are often referred to as "unborn children."
Please let me know.
IN EVERY THREAD...old salt wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:22 pmYes. Please hide this elsewhere, so we're not forced to confront it while pontificating about how bad Trump is.seacoaster wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:02 pmAgain maybe your fixation on reproductive rights deserves its own thread, where you can toss these issues out on a specific table.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:50 pmYou don't need funerals when you sell all those fetuses.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:27 pmNo funerals either...kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:02 pmWow, staggering numbers.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 12:53 pmYesterday, 3,265, day before 2,981 (Worldometer)seacoaster wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:07 pm Deadliest days in American history:
1. Galveston Hurricane - 8,000
2. Antietam - 3,600
3. September 11 - 2,977
4. Last Thursday - 2,861
5. Last Wednesday - 2,762
6. Last Tuesday - 2.461
7. Last Friday - 2,439
8. Pearl Harbor - 2,403
Thanks!
Of course, more people did die than that on those days...these #'s are just the deaths specific to an unusual event/cause. But for comparative purposes...not exactly 'magically disappear' or 'rounding the corner'...not yet.
And in another sad bit of number trivia-
On EVERY day since Jan. 1 2000 (7,649 days) there have been between 1,709 to 2,349 children aborted in the USA per day.
Talk about a tragedy.
They are referred to as unborn children in federal law.njbill wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:30 pmFetuses. They aren’t “children,” as you well know.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:54 pmWhat shall I call them, to make you happy?
In law, they are often referred to as "unborn children."
Please let me know.
Just like women who elect to have abortions are not murderers, which you also know.
DMac, please feel free to look up my post history on the SCOTUS thread.DMac wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:17 pm You are pretty darn hardcore on your stance on abortions with little room for exception, kram. Mom's health, incest, and rape, the only exceptions. The third one is contradictory to your stance. Why rape? The baby (as you see it) is being killed for the sake of an unwanted pregnancy. No different than the 16 year old cheerleader. I don't think you, or anyone else, should stand in judgement of how one handles an unwanted pregnancy, I don't think it gets a whole lot more personal than that. You will say you don't stand in judgement, but your posts would lead one to believe differently.
I'm actually willing to allow abortions for rape, incest and mother's health, for the sake of argument and compromise to eliminate all the rest. I'm also for supporting a child until it becomes an adult and providing parents with the resources to make it happen.The good news is people don't fit into boxes like people always think. I do personally think the "right side" is carrying a baby to term. I am also not going to judge those who have abortions. Murderer? That's between them and their maker. And who knows, perhaps I'm a "murderer" in His eyes for being pro contraception?
The same way you respect my deep held belief, I understand and respect that there are incredible circumstances where rape, incest and health of the mother are legitimate concerns and burdens for the mother. I do think that is more the outlier than the norm for most abortions and used as a straw man for the general discussion. I know I wont be changing their/your minds either.
Perhaps because I'm generally hopeful, I just don't see something transient and defeatable like poverty as a reason for abortion. But that's just me. I'm also pro-social safety-net to help those in poverty that need it.
And yes I do wear a mask, avoid large crowds and encourage my immediate family to do the same. But I don't expect others to wear them.
SO I guess you CAN be anti-abortion, pro-woman, pro-contraception, pro-personal freedom, and pro-mask.
Fling poo at you?kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 9:34 pmDMac, please feel free to look up my post history on the SCOTUS thread.DMac wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:17 pm You are pretty darn hardcore on your stance on abortions with little room for exception, kram. Mom's health, incest, and rape, the only exceptions. The third one is contradictory to your stance. Why rape? The baby (as you see it) is being killed for the sake of an unwanted pregnancy. No different than the 16 year old cheerleader. I don't think you, or anyone else, should stand in judgement of how one handles an unwanted pregnancy, I don't think it gets a whole lot more personal than that. You will say you don't stand in judgement, but your posts would lead one to believe differently.
From Sept 22:I'm actually willing to allow abortions for rape, incest and mother's health, for the sake of argument and compromise to eliminate all the rest. I'm also for supporting a child until it becomes an adult and providing parents with the resources to make it happen.The good news is people don't fit into boxes like people always think. I do personally think the "right side" is carrying a baby to term. I am also not going to judge those who have abortions. Murderer? That's between them and their maker. And who knows, perhaps I'm a "murderer" in His eyes for being pro contraception?
The same way you respect my deep held belief, I understand and respect that there are incredible circumstances where rape, incest and health of the mother are legitimate concerns and burdens for the mother. I do think that is more the outlier than the norm for most abortions and used as a straw man for the general discussion. I know I wont be changing their/your minds either.
Perhaps because I'm generally hopeful, I just don't see something transient and defeatable like poverty as a reason for abortion. But that's just me. I'm also pro-social safety-net to help those in poverty that need it.
And yes I do wear a mask, avoid large crowds and encourage my immediate family to do the same. But I don't expect others to wear them.
SO I guess you CAN be anti-abortion, pro-woman, pro-contraception, pro-personal freedom, and pro-mask.
NJ and others like to fling poo at me when it comes to abortions with extenuating circumstances and how we refer to the removed fetus itself. But that's all noise to distract from the topic at hand. It's why I don't name call. I just call out the hypocricy of their stances. Which as evidenced here, they really don't like.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.htmlA Time magazine with Trump on the cover hangs in his golf clubs. It’s fake.