Have zero empathy for Flynn, or ANY long time officer who wants to play politics. Collect your retirement pay and go coach some youth lacrosse.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:32 pmThank you.njbill wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:44 pmPart of the delay was due to the fact that Flynn elected not to proceed to sentencing when he first came up before Judge Sullivan. Then Sid started filing motion after motion. Then Bill Barr filed his motion to dismiss. Then Sid appealed before Sullivan had even ruled. And now Flynn has been pardoned. So the delays are almost entirely due to Sid and Barr.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:45 pmMust be some real bad attorneys and judges out there if they couldn’t lock someone up so guilty. Why, then, IYO was it not such a slam dunk case if everyone believes his plea? You guys are so certain and yet, prior to pardon, it was still be argued. Not to mention, POTUS just pardoned him.njbill wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:17 pmFlynn thought it was factually accurate. He so testified under oath twice in front of a federal judge. He signed one or more documents under oath so stating.youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:45 pm All I am saying, is yes, he plead guilty.....but that also does not mean what he plead guilty of doing, is factually accurate.
T**** thought it was factually accurate. That’s why he fired him for lying. Pence thought it was factually accurate.
Mueller thought it was factually accurate. The prosecutors thought it was factually accurate. The judge thought it was factually accurate.
Even Bill Barr in his motion to dismiss did not dispute that it was factually accurate.
We have the tapes of Flynn’s calls with Kislyak. We know what Flynn said to him. We have the notes of the FBI agents who interviewed him. Their account has not been disputed by Flynn or anyone else.
Who thinks it isn’t factually accurate and what is their evidence?
EDIT: the quote from NPR, is where I am coming from in my earlier comments, unfortunately, this small back and forth w/njbill does not cover the premise of the original conversation.
Attorney General William Barr was clear in an interview with CBS News on Thursday evening: "People sometimes plead to things that turn out not to be crimes, and the Department of Justice is not persuaded that this was material to any legitimate counterintelligence investigation. So it was not a crime."
Yes, Barr claims there was no crime. Importantly, though, to our discussion, he did not say there was no crime because Flynn did not lie. He says there was no crime because Flynn’s lie was not material (in his view).
In bold of your reply, which means what?
As Flynn said, and Barr alluded, the guilty plea was A calculated decision based on the circumstances he was presented at the time, coupled with the financial ramifications of a drawn out legal battle with the feds, that will certainly impact family.
It is clearly a quagmire.
Why is it why never hear of Coast Guard guys getting into trouble by pretending to take part in a Model UN project like some skullNbones loser, FRAT guy.