"The Deep State" aka the American Intelligence Community

[Typical Lax Dad]

Some old Flynn articles, very interesting in retrospect, linked for posterity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ge-n685681
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna929196

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ssian-ties

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -like-cnn/

https://www.pilotonline.com/opinion/col ... b2fd3.html
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/arti ... y-the-fbi/

What’s that got to do with Flynn lying?

Then why has the court case gone on for 3 plus years, if it's so open and shut? Even a damned high court judge had to go the en banc route and still could not close it.

Maybe Flynn lied to protect his homeys, fall on the sword. Have you and Flynn spoken?

So Flynn did lie?

nah, he only twice plead guilty to lying. He didn't lie originally and he wasn't lying when he allocated to the lie under oath either...yikes, how could that be?

He lied to protect his homies....Fell on his sword. When you tell that kind if lie, you are not lying.

[youthathletics]

Some old Flynn articles, very interesting in retrospect, linked for posterity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ge-n685681
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna929196

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ssian-ties

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -like-cnn/

https://www.pilotonline.com/opinion/col ... b2fd3.html
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/arti ... y-the-fbi/

What’s that got to do with Flynn lying?

Then why has the court case gone on for 3 plus years, if it's so open and shut? Even a damned high court judge had to go the en banc route and still could not close it.

Maybe Flynn lied to protect his homeys, fall on the sword. Have you and Flynn spoken?

So Flynn did lie?

nah, he only twice plead guilty to lying. He didn't lie originally and he wasn't lying when he allocated to the lie under oath either...yikes, how could that be?

He lied to protect his homies....Fell on his sword. When you tell that kind if lie, you are not lying.

You left out maybe.....liar.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Some old Flynn articles, very interesting in retrospect, linked for posterity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ge-n685681
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna929196

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ssian-ties

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -like-cnn/

https://www.pilotonline.com/opinion/col ... b2fd3.html
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/arti ... y-the-fbi/

What’s that got to do with Flynn lying?

Then why has the court case gone on for 3 plus years, if it's so open and shut? Even a damned high court judge had to go the en banc route and still could not close it.

Maybe Flynn lied to protect his homeys, fall on the sword. Have you and Flynn spoken?

So Flynn did lie?

nah, he only twice plead guilty to lying. He didn't lie originally and he wasn't lying when he allocated to the lie under oath either...yikes, how could that be?

He lied to protect his homies....Fell on his sword. When you tell that kind if lie, you are not lying.

You left out maybe.....liar.

My fault. He maybe lied to protect his homies or maybe he fell on his sword. When you tell that kind of lie, you are not lying..

Fixed it. Thanks.

BTW.... I didn’t attribute my speculation to you.... “sense” you want to go all legal and stuff counselor...

[ABV 8.3%]

Or, maybe, he lied. Think Flynn was in Parris the same time I was.......

.....or, maybe, he lied.

When is the Department of Defense going to have an IPO

[dislaxxic]

"Lying" and Fake News, in other words: The Trump Era, which has brought us whole new political paradigm forever known as Trumpism broadly...but it's still just a simple graft laden con at the end of the day. Just bigger scale...

..

[cradleandshoot]

"Lying" and Fake News, in other words: The Trump Era, which has brought us whole new political paradigm forever known as Trumpism broadly...but it's still just a simple graft laden con at the end of the day. Just bigger scale...

..

That has to mean your democrats are really pizzed off Dis. The humiliation of being out grafted by a bunch of low life republicans. It is no wonder why all of you democrats are so very unhappy. The republicans beat you folks at your own game, that is totally unacceptable. If any party is going to screw the American people that is the sacred right given only to the democrat party. The audacity of those republicans trying to move in on your territory.

[youthathletics]

"Lying" and Fake News, in other words: The Trump Era, which has brought us whole new political paradigm forever known as Trumpism broadly...but it's still just a simple graft laden con at the end of the day. Just bigger scale...

..

That has to mean your democrats are really pizzed off Dis. The humiliation of being out grafted by a bunch of low life republicans. It is no wonder why all of you democrats are so very unhappy. The republicans beat you folks at your own game, that is totally unacceptable. If any party is going to screw the American people that is the sacred right given only to the democrat party. The audacity of those republicans trying to move in on your territory.

One thing is for certain, whatever they blame or accuse you of doing, rest assured.....it is exactly what they are doing and trying to cover up.

[youthathletics]

Some old Flynn articles, very interesting in retrospect, linked for posterity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ge-n685681
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna929196

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ssian-ties

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -like-cnn/

https://www.pilotonline.com/opinion/col ... b2fd3.html
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/arti ... y-the-fbi/

What’s that got to do with Flynn lying?

Then why has the court case gone on for 3 plus years, if it's so open and shut? Even a damned high court judge had to go the en banc route and still could not close it.

Maybe Flynn lied to protect his homeys, fall on the sword. Have you and Flynn spoken?

So Flynn did lie?

nah, he only twice plead guilty to lying. He didn't lie originally and he wasn't lying when he allocated to the lie under oath either...yikes, how could that be?

He lied to protect his homies....Fell on his sword. When you tell that kind if lie, you are not lying.

You left out maybe.....liar.

My fault. He maybe lied to protect his homies or maybe he fell on his sword. When you tell that kind of lie, you are not lying..

Fixed it. Thanks.

BTW.... I didn’t attribute my speculation to you.... “sense” you want to go all legal and stuff counselor...

All good. It' one thing to discuss, and another to speak with certainty not walking a step in another's shoes. Then throw shade for speculating....its no always so clear. Flynn may not have used the Alford plea, but it is my understanding over 90% of people plead guilty when up against the feds, for reasons obvious. All I am saying, is yes, he plead guilty.....but that also does not mean what he plead guilty of doing, is factually accurate.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Some old Flynn articles, very interesting in retrospect, linked for posterity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ge-n685681
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna929196

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ssian-ties

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -like-cnn/

https://www.pilotonline.com/opinion/col ... b2fd3.html
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/arti ... y-the-fbi/

What’s that got to do with Flynn lying?

Then why has the court case gone on for 3 plus years, if it's so open and shut? Even a damned high court judge had to go the en banc route and still could not close it.

Maybe Flynn lied to protect his homeys, fall on the sword. Have you and Flynn spoken?

So Flynn did lie?

nah, he only twice plead guilty to lying. He didn't lie originally and he wasn't lying when he allocated to the lie under oath either...yikes, how could that be?

He lied to protect his homies....Fell on his sword. When you tell that kind if lie, you are not lying.

You left out maybe.....liar.

My fault. He maybe lied to protect his homies or maybe he fell on his sword. When you tell that kind of lie, you are not lying..

Fixed it. Thanks.

BTW.... I didn’t attribute my speculation to you.... “sense” you want to go all legal and stuff counselor...

All good. It' one thing to discuss, and another to speak with certainty not walking a step in another's shoes. Then throw shade for speculating....its no always so clear. Flynn may not have used the Alford plea, but it is my understanding over 90% of people plead guilty when up against the feds, for reasons obvious. All I am saying, is yes, he plead guilty.....but that also does not mean what he plead guilty of doing, is factually accurate.

Yep. O.J was innocent

[cradleandshoot]

"Lying" and Fake News, in other words: The Trump Era, which has brought us whole new political paradigm forever known as Trumpism broadly...but it's still just a simple graft laden con at the end of the day. Just bigger scale...

..

That has to mean your democrats are really pizzed off Dis. The humiliation of being out grafted by a bunch of low life republicans. It is no wonder why all of you democrats are so very unhappy. The republicans beat you folks at your own game, that is totally unacceptable. If any party is going to screw the American people that is the sacred right given only to the democrat party. The audacity of those republicans trying to move in on your territory.

One thing is for certain, whatever they blame or accuse you of doing, rest assured.....it is exactly what they are doing and trying to cover up.

+1

[cradleandshoot]

Some old Flynn articles, very interesting in retrospect, linked for posterity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ge-n685681
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna929196

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ssian-ties

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -like-cnn/

https://www.pilotonline.com/opinion/col ... b2fd3.html
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/arti ... y-the-fbi/

What’s that got to do with Flynn lying?

Then why has the court case gone on for 3 plus years, if it's so open and shut? Even a damned high court judge had to go the en banc route and still could not close it.

Maybe Flynn lied to protect his homeys, fall on the sword. Have you and Flynn spoken?

So Flynn did lie?

nah, he only twice plead guilty to lying. He didn't lie originally and he wasn't lying when he allocated to the lie under oath either...yikes, how could that be?

He lied to protect his homies....Fell on his sword. When you tell that kind if lie, you are not lying.

You left out maybe.....liar.

My fault. He maybe lied to protect his homies or maybe he fell on his sword. When you tell that kind of lie, you are not lying..

Fixed it. Thanks.

BTW.... I didn’t attribute my speculation to you.... “sense” you want to go all legal and stuff counselor...

All good. It' one thing to discuss, and another to speak with certainty not walking a step in another's shoes. Then throw shade for speculating....its no always so clear. Flynn may not have used the Alford plea, but it is my understanding over 90% of people plead guilty when up against the feds, for reasons obvious. All I am saying, is yes, he plead guilty.....but that also does not mean what he plead guilty of doing, is factually accurate.

Yep. O.J was innocent

If it doesn't fit, you must acquit... you saying that Johnny Cochran was wrong?

[Typical Lax Dad]

[youtube][/youtube]

Some old Flynn articles, very interesting in retrospect, linked for posterity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ge-n685681
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna929196

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ssian-ties

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -like-cnn/

https://www.pilotonline.com/opinion/col ... b2fd3.html
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/arti ... y-the-fbi/

What’s that got to do with Flynn lying?

Then why has the court case gone on for 3 plus years, if it's so open and shut? Even a damned high court judge had to go the en banc route and still could not close it.

Maybe Flynn lied to protect his homeys, fall on the sword. Have you and Flynn spoken?

So Flynn did lie?

nah, he only twice plead guilty to lying. He didn't lie originally and he wasn't lying when he allocated to the lie under oath either...yikes, how could that be?

He lied to protect his homies....Fell on his sword. When you tell that kind if lie, you are not lying.

You left out maybe.....liar.

My fault. He maybe lied to protect his homies or maybe he fell on his sword. When you tell that kind of lie, you are not lying..

Fixed it. Thanks.

BTW.... I didn’t attribute my speculation to you.... “sense” you want to go all legal and stuff counselor...

All good. It' one thing to discuss, and another to speak with certainty not walking a step in another's shoes. Then throw shade for speculating....its no always so clear. Flynn may not have used the Alford plea, but it is my understanding over 90% of people plead guilty when up against the feds, for reasons obvious. All I am saying, is yes, he plead guilty.....but that also does not mean what he plead guilty of doing, is factually accurate.

Yep. O.J was innocent

If it doesn't fit, you must acquit... you saying that Johnny Cochran was wrong?

[cradleandshoot]

[youtube][/youtube]

Some old Flynn articles, very interesting in retrospect, linked for posterity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ge-n685681
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna929196

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ssian-ties

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -like-cnn/

https://www.pilotonline.com/opinion/col ... b2fd3.html
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/arti ... y-the-fbi/

What’s that got to do with Flynn lying?

Then why has the court case gone on for 3 plus years, if it's so open and shut? Even a damned high court judge had to go the en banc route and still could not close it.

Maybe Flynn lied to protect his homeys, fall on the sword. Have you and Flynn spoken?

So Flynn did lie?

nah, he only twice plead guilty to lying. He didn't lie originally and he wasn't lying when he allocated to the lie under oath either...yikes, how could that be?

He lied to protect his homies....Fell on his sword. When you tell that kind if lie, you are not lying.

You left out maybe.....liar.

My fault. He maybe lied to protect his homies or maybe he fell on his sword. When you tell that kind of lie, you are not lying..

Fixed it. Thanks.

BTW.... I didn’t attribute my speculation to you.... “sense” you want to go all legal and stuff counselor...

All good. It' one thing to discuss, and another to speak with certainty not walking a step in another's shoes. Then throw shade for speculating....its no always so clear. Flynn may not have used the Alford plea, but it is my understanding over 90% of people plead guilty when up against the feds, for reasons obvious. All I am saying, is yes, he plead guilty.....but that also does not mean what he plead guilty of doing, is factually accurate.

Yep. O.J was innocent

If it doesn't fit, you must acquit... you saying that Johnny Cochran was wrong?

Thanks TLD, I almost peed my pants laughing. I thought I had seen every episode on Seinfeld.

[njbill]

All I am saying, is yes, he plead guilty.....but that also does not mean what he plead guilty of doing, is factually accurate.

Flynn thought it was factually accurate. He so testified under oath twice in front of a federal judge. He signed one or more documents under oath so stating.

T**** thought it was factually accurate. That’s why he fired him for lying. Pence thought it was factually accurate.

Mueller thought it was factually accurate. The prosecutors thought it was factually accurate. The judge thought it was factually accurate.

Even Bill Barr in his motion to dismiss did not dispute that it was factually accurate.

We have the tapes of Flynn’s calls with Kislyak. We know what Flynn said to him. We have the notes of the FBI agents who interviewed him. Their account has not been disputed by Flynn or anyone else.

Who thinks it isn’t factually accurate and what is their evidence?

[Typical Lax Dad]

All I am saying, is yes, he plead guilty.....but that also does not mean what he plead guilty of doing, is factually accurate.

Flynn thought it was factually accurate. He so testified under oath twice in front of a federal judge. He signed one or more documents under oath so stating.

T**** thought it was factually accurate. That’s why he fired him for lying. Pence thought it was factually accurate.

Mueller thought it was factually accurate. The prosecutors thought it was factually accurate. The judge thought it was factually accurate.

Even Bill Barr in his motion to dismiss did not dispute that it was factually accurate.

We have the tapes of Flynn’s calls with Kislyak. We know what Flynn said to him. We have the notes of the FBI agents who interviewed him. Their account has not been disputed by Flynn or anyone else.

Who thinks it isn’t factually accurate and what is their evidence?

I believe the agents said in the interview, they thought Flynn was truthful....so why they then found out he was lying is beyond me. The agency should have just let it go “sense” they thought he was being truthful.

[njbill]

They said he didn’t exhibit the body mannerisms of someone who was lying. In effect, they said he had a good poker face. Big difference.

The agents knew he was lying because they quoted to him exactly what was on the tape.

[Typical Lax Dad]

They said he didn’t exhibit the body mannerisms of someone who was lying. In effect, they said he had a good poker face. Big difference.

The agents knew he was lying because they quoted to him exactly what was on the tape.

He was tricked.

[njbill]

Ambushed.

[Typical Lax Dad]

[youtube][/youtube]

Some old Flynn articles, very interesting in retrospect, linked for posterity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... ge-n685681
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... msna929196

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ssian-ties

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/che ... -like-cnn/

https://www.pilotonline.com/opinion/col ... b2fd3.html
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/arti ... y-the-fbi/

What’s that got to do with Flynn lying?

Then why has the court case gone on for 3 plus years, if it's so open and shut? Even a damned high court judge had to go the en banc route and still could not close it.

Maybe Flynn lied to protect his homeys, fall on the sword. Have you and Flynn spoken?

So Flynn did lie?

nah, he only twice plead guilty to lying. He didn't lie originally and he wasn't lying when he allocated to the lie under oath either...yikes, how could that be?

He lied to protect his homies....Fell on his sword. When you tell that kind if lie, you are not lying.

You left out maybe.....liar.

My fault. He maybe lied to protect his homies or maybe he fell on his sword. When you tell that kind of lie, you are not lying..

Fixed it. Thanks.

BTW.... I didn’t attribute my speculation to you.... “sense” you want to go all legal and stuff counselor...

All good. It' one thing to discuss, and another to speak with certainty not walking a step in another's shoes. Then throw shade for speculating....its no always so clear. Flynn may not have used the Alford plea, but it is my understanding over 90% of people plead guilty when up against the feds, for reasons obvious. All I am saying, is yes, he plead guilty.....but that also does not mean what he plead guilty of doing, is factually accurate.

Yep. O.J was innocent

If it doesn't fit, you must acquit... you saying that Johnny Cochran was wrong?

Thanks TLD, I almost peed my pants laughing. I thought I had seen every episode on Seinfeld.

One if THE classic episodes!!

[youthathletics]

All I am saying, is yes, he plead guilty.....but that also does not mean what he plead guilty of doing, is factually accurate.

Flynn thought it was factually accurate. He so testified under oath twice in front of a federal judge. He signed one or more documents under oath so stating.

T**** thought it was factually accurate. That’s why he fired him for lying. Pence thought it was factually accurate.

Mueller thought it was factually accurate. The prosecutors thought it was factually accurate. The judge thought it was factually accurate.

Even Bill Barr in his motion to dismiss did not dispute that it was factually accurate.

We have the tapes of Flynn’s calls with Kislyak. We know what Flynn said to him. We have the notes of the FBI agents who interviewed him. Their account has not been disputed by Flynn or anyone else.

Who thinks it isn’t factually accurate and what is their evidence?

Must be some real bad attorneys and judges out there if they couldn’t lock someone up so guilty. Why, then, IYO was it not such a slam dunk case if everyone believes his plea? You guys are so certain and yet, prior to pardon, it was still be argued. Not to mention, POTUS just pardoned him.

EDIT: the quote from NPR, is where I am coming from in my earlier comments, unfortunately, this small back and forth w/njbill does not cover the premise of the original conversation.

Attorney General William Barr was clear in an interview with CBS News on Thursday evening: "People sometimes plead to things that turn out not to be crimes, and the Department of Justice is not persuaded that this was material to any legitimate counterintelligence investigation. So it was not a crime."