All things CoronaVirus

[ABV 8.3%]

. ALL business is essential. Close all, or none. simple

Great. So now you've closed all businesses in the State.

So now pretend you are ABV 8.3, and you're ready for dinner. Where do you get your food?

Congratulations, your first day as Governor, your entire population now has nothing to eat.

I can't discuss with people that have their heads in the sand.

Let's start with some information/background.

Do you deem facebook as essential? This include the construction of the data storage sites.

[Typical Lax Dad]

WRONG.....I call fear porn for what it IS. I made it very clear WHY is thought THIS data is bad.

Yes. But you forget that ALL causes of death have the same issues. You're convinced that ONLY Covid deaths are counted this way. How many Americans die from heart disease, when the REAL problem is that they're simply old? You ignore this, because you're on a Covid crusade for whatever reason.

Where is that bar for you? 500K dead? 1 million dead?

You still haven't answered. For the same reason all the "Fear Porn" people don't want to answer this question. You know you're going to sound insane. So you refuse to answer the question, and then pull a "look a squirrel" with alcohol.

reading comprehension....a.fan.......not ALL data is fear porn. Most of it IS manipulated.

Right. Only the things YOU don't want to hear is fear porn. That much I have figured out. So you're overjoyed to give me numbers on deaths from causes other than Cancer. Oh THOSE numbers are accurate, and would NEVER be manipulated. But the numbers from Covid are wrong. Because of course they are.

And then when I try and set those numbers aside, and ask you how many dead from Covid is acceptable to you? You won't say.

So you take us around in a circle again. Essentially, as usual, you're telling all of us that we're doing it wrong. But you won't tell us what doing it right looks like. Because you don't know.

The fact that you never consider the numbers is the part that is telling. You ignore this. Always. Does Colorado use different ABV measurement, than, say, New York. Or, do they just "assume" the vodka content?

and, once again, you gloss over the payment /reimbursement factor.

trump sending that big white boat to NYC again?

you, without hesitation , spew data numbers. To prove what point?

NO ONE, including you, answers the important questions. LIKE....for instance

If a person has a positive covid test, meaning they are infected, can they get a vaccine?


but, lets have more placing the blame on medical problems on ONE person......almost a thousand pages of it.

I love Cabo........didn't know we could fly to Mexico write now. (you MUST be spending lots and lots of time bashing your mayor, write ?

When you get the flu, do you walk in to get vaccinated? Or when you get the measles, do you get vaccinated? How long have you been waiting on answers to those questions?

[ABV 8.3%]

apparently, forever.

So, answer this. I can't get a vaccine because I have covid. Makes sense, as you pointed out. Now, sherlock. I am the starting LSM at CollegeU. Most feel mandatory vaccines will be required for lax players. Heck, I think ticketmaster is requiring vaccines for purchases
(is this true? )

Or, getting onto a plane, or a job, or....or.

If I can't get a vaccine, because I have covid, which also means I can't play lacrosse this season? Or ever?

Of, do you just produce your piece of paper/test results and on the field we go.

You must be the problem solver in these parts......

[a fan]

. ALL business is essential. Close all, or none. simple

Great. So now you've closed all businesses in the State.

So now pretend you are ABV 8.3, and you're ready for dinner. Where do you get your food?

Congratulations, your first day as Governor, your entire population now has nothing to eat.

I can't discuss with people that have their heads in the sand.

Let's start with some information/background.

Do you deem facebook as essential? This include the construction of the data storage sites.

And I can't discuss things who can't keep his train of thought for five minutes.

YOU said to close all businesses or none. YOU. Not me.

So you're governor of a State. Which one do you choose. Now that I pointed out that you can't eat if ALL businesses are closed, you've obviously figured out that your choice is to keep all businesses open.

So we're now that you've chosen to not shut down or limit a single business, we're back to my question: how many dead from Covid is acceptable to you?

[MDlaxfan76]

wgdsr,
as you mentioned you were expecting, IHME is out with those new projected #'s. https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-s ... &tab=trend

538k by April 1 is the median estimate, (438k by Feb 1). Peak avg daily deaths predicted just under 3k as of mid January, but over 2.5k per day by mid December.

They've added a component related to vaccines. Median appears to include a vaccine rollout assumption but there's a small benefit accruing of a 'rapid vaccine rollout'. Biggest differential remains between universal masks and mandates easing.

Obviously this continues to be just a model' with assumptions that can only be validated fully as things play out.

The other key thing readers should understand is that the model shows variances, ranges, to each of the projected #'s that get increasingly wide the further out the projection. Pretty transparent.

[ABV 8.3%]

. ALL business is essential. Close all, or none. simple

Great. So now you've closed all businesses in the State.

So now pretend you are ABV 8.3, and you're ready for dinner. Where do you get your food?

Congratulations, your first day as Governor, your entire population now has nothing to eat.

I can't discuss with people that have their heads in the sand.

Let's start with some information/background.

Do you deem facebook as essential? This include the construction of the data storage sites.

And I can't discuss things who can't keep his train of thought for five minutes.

YOU said to close all businesses or none. YOU. Not me.

So you're governor of a State. Which one do you choose. Now that I pointed out that you can't eat if ALL businesses are closed, you've obviously figured out that your choice is to keep all businesses open.

So we're now that you've chosen to not shut down or limit a single business, we're back to my question: how many dead from Covid is acceptable to you? Simple question. If I am dying of covid, and I decide to jump off the bridge....what is the cause of death? . You ignore the reimbursement aspect when it comes to V19 designation. But, I will answer your nonsense question. NONE. None dead. That is how many are unacceptable to me.

What?

dude.....remind me to never sail across the Atlantic with you, or go on long, multi day back country hikes.
You want details?


SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN. for two weeks.

you telling me you can't stock up food for two weeks?

all those drones that your guy Obama loved to kill people with? We use them here, state side. Satellites too. No one leaves there house for two weeks. NO ONE.

Suddenly, you think lockdowns are bad? I am confused. You STILL haven't answered if you think Fecesbook is essential and that you are cool with them NEVER shutting down. Not even construction was shut down.

and, you KNOW the food/bev. industry.....you think all the illegals working in the "industry" are gonna run down to the local clinic and get the vaccine?

[MDlaxfan76]

A truer statement has never been made.

[Typical Lax Dad]

apparently, forever.

So, answer this. I can't get a vaccine because I have covid. Makes sense, as you pointed out. Now, sherlock. I am the starting LSM at CollegeU. Most feel mandatory vaccines will be required for lax players. Heck, I think ticketmaster is requiring vaccines for purchases
(is this true? )

Or, getting onto a plane, or a job, or....or.

If I can't get a vaccine, because I have covid, which also means I can't play lacrosse this season? Or ever?

Of, do you just produce your piece of paper/test results and on the field we go.

You must be the problem solver in these parts......

You have baked in some assumptions. Ask your administrators not some guy on Yaper.

[Matnum PI]

How to manage your virus risk.

The most effective public health messages don’t merely tell people what not to do. They also tell people what they can do with only a small amount of risk.

This sometimes feels counterintuitive, because it gives people permission to take some risks, rather than urging maximum safety all the time. In the long run, though, a more realistic approach is actually the safer one, many experts say.

Human beings are social creatures. Most aren’t going to sit inside their houses for months on end. And pretending otherwise tends to backfire. It leads people to ignore public health advice and take needlessly big risks. “We need different, more nuanced, and more practical messaging about coronavirus safety,” Sarit Golub, a psychology professor at Hunter College, has written.

(Federal officials took a step in this direction this week by shortening the recommended quarantine period after virus exposure.)

Today, I want to give you a three-step guide to risk minimization. It’s based on a Times survey of 700 epidemiologists as well as my conversations with experts and colleagues, like Donald G. McNeil Jr.

1. There is one behavior you should try to eliminate, without exception: Spending time in a confined space (outside your household) where anyone is unmasked.

Don’t eat indoors at a restaurant or friend’s house. Don’t have close, unmasked conversations anywhere, even outdoors. If you must fly, try to not to eat or drink on the plane. If you’re going to work, don’t have lunch in the same room as colleagues. Group lunches have led to outbreaks at hospitals and elsewhere.

2. This next set of behaviors is best to minimize if you can’t avoid it: Spending extended time in indoor spaces, even with universal masking.

Masks aren’t perfect. If you can work out at home rather than at a gym — or do your job or attend religious services remotely — you’re reducing your risk.

3. Now the better news: Several activities are less risky than some people fear.

You don’t need to wear a mask when you go for a walk or a jog. Donald, who’s famously careful, bikes without a mask. “I consider keeping six feet distant outdoors more important than wearing a mask,” he told me. “If I had a birthday candle in my hand and you’re too far away to blow it out, I can’t inhale whatever you exhale.”

You can also feel OK about doing many errands. About 90 percent of the epidemiologists in our survey have recently visited a grocery store, a pharmacy or another store. Just wear a mask, stay distant from others and wash your hands afterward.

The big picture: I find it helpful to think about the notion of a personal risk budget. I don’t spend any of my risk budget on supermarket shopping, because grocery delivery works well for my family. But I do take occasional unmasked, distant walks with one or two friends. They help keep me sane as we head into a long, very hard winter.

For more: The survey of epidemiologists — done by Margot Sanger-Katz, Claire Cain Miller and Quoctrung Bui of The Times — has much more, including how they’re thinking about a vaccine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/brie ... mulus.html

Summarizing CU's post (above):
1. Besides your home with the people you live with, avoid indoors with others. And, when unavoidable, wear a mask.
2. Outdoors is much better, especially when you're moving or it is windy. Though, when outdoors and engaging with someone while standing, maintain 6 feet, wear a mask.

Definitely a change from the norm but far from a jail sentence.

[ABV 8.3%]

This makes sense, that a vaccine will do nothing to stop the spread. Doesn't it?

https://thehill.com/news-by-subject/hea ... ry-socials

[RedFromMI]

This makes sense, that a vaccine will do nothing to stop the spread. Doesn't it?

https://thehill.com/news-by-subject/hea ... ry-socials

They are saying that because literally there is not any data telling them the answer to that question. The study leading to the approval process for the vaccine was not designed to measure that (nor should it have been).

It takes more study to get the actual answer to that question. But the _likely_ answer is that it will either prevent transmission or drastically cut down on it. But if you are a scientist you want the data before answering that question.

[a fan]

SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN. for two weeks.

you telling me you can't stock up food for two weeks?

I can. Can poor people?

And what about electricity? Or water plants? Or natural gas. Who runs those? Elves?

And what about the government? They don't talk for two weeks?

And hospitals? Whoops, you forgot about them.

And police? Whoops, you forgot about them.

And, and, and......

Suddenly, you think lockdowns are bad? I am confused

Yep. We know you're confused.

I have said the same thing since day one: there are no "right moves" in a pandemic. No matter what you do, people die, and economic damage occurs.

You, on the other hand, have been crowing about having all the answers, and that all of us are doing it wrong. Yet when I hold your feet to the flames, it turns out that you have no clue what you're talking about.

[Typical Lax Dad]

SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN. for two weeks.

you telling me you can't stock up food for two weeks?

I can. Can poor people?

And what about electricity? Or water plants? Or natural gas. Who runs those? Elves?

And what about the government? They don't talk for two weeks?

And hospitals? Whoops, you forgot about them.

And police? Whoops, you forgot about them.

And, and, and......

Suddenly, you think lockdowns are bad? I am confused

Yep. We know you're confused.

I have said the same thing since day one: there are no "right moves" in a pandemic. No matter what you do, people die, and economic damage occurs.

You, on the other hand, have been crowing about having all the answers, and that all of us are doing it wrong. Yet when I hold your feet to the flames, it turns out that you have no clue what you're talking about.

After we all quarantine for two weeks...ABV 8.3% can drive out to Logan Airport and UBER international arrivals into Back Bay!

[wgdsr]

I believe local jurisdictions should be making decisions based on community spread. Was the fall school year in your town carried out like last Spring or was it different?

didn't see this edit until abv's quote.

in the spring if i mentioned it, everything was closed down mid-march, online ramped up. county of dozens of schools set 3 grading options to get a calculation on your best grade, and 2 of them were with the expectation that zero work needed to be turned in, or online classes attended, for the next 3 months. needless to say, this led to the vast majority of students choosing that path. 80-90%?
that also then led to quite the battle with my senior, as all of his friends and others choosing to do zero work. 3rd option was a grade bump if you did the work the teachers had on their curriculum (a fraction of real work). which he was required to do for every class or pay rent. moved up almost 30 spots in his class.

for the fall, everything is still online. grading has changed to having to do actual work and attend classes, but tons of kids are failing (f's are up well over 100% as one metric, and not a small number. grades are down across the board.) what is being set out and also not "attending class", so i assume the grading will change to whisk kids thru.

the county board and supe in late june came up with what looked like a very comprehensive plan, with 2 option survey to start (hybrid or online) out to teachers, parents and population. results overwhelmingly came back hybrid, board voted for that to formalize... then a week or 2 later supe decided he wanted to bail on that. gifted/disability students were supposed to be able to come a couple times per week, but i think that got scrapped, too.

county of over 400k has had less than 570 hospitalizations (that equates to about 450k total hospitalizations for the u.s.) throughout the entire pandemic and is at some of its lowest levels now and have always been low. since september 1, 26 deaths (that is a u.s. equivalent of 224 per day). just as low levels for the months prior to sep 1 also.

i've found that school openings have had little correlation to community spread in my state and nationwide, and much higher correlation to who is in charge. supe just got offered a job in a red state but don't know about his new district. should be interesting.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I believe local jurisdictions should be making decisions based on community spread. Was the fall school year in your town carried out like last Spring or was it different?

didn't see this edit until abv's quote.

in the spring if i mentioned it, everything was closed down mid-march, online ramped up. county of dozens of schools set 3 grading options to get a calculation on your best grade, and 2 of them were with the expectation that zero work needed to be turned in, or online classes attended, for the next 3 months. needless to say, this led to the vast majority of students choosing that path. 80-90%?
that also then led to quite the battle with my senior, as all of his friends and others choosing to do zero work. 3rd option was a grade bump if you did the work the teachers had on their curriculum (a fraction of real work). which he was required to do for every class or pay rent. moved up almost 30 spots in his class.

for the fall, everything is still online. grading has changed to having to do actual work and attend classes, but tons of kids are failing (f's are up well over 100% as one metric, and not a small number. grades are down across the board.) what is being set out and also not "attending class", so i assume the grading will change to whisk kids thru.

the county board and supe in late june came up with what looked like a very comprehensive plan, with 2 option survey to start (hybrid or online) out to teachers, parents and population. results overwhelmingly came back hybrid, board voted for that to formalize... then a week or 2 later supe decided he wanted to bail on that. gifted/disability students were supposed to be able to come a couple times per week, but i think that got scrapped, too.

county of over 400k has had less than 570 hospitalizations (that equates to about 450k total hospitalizations for the u.s.) throughout the entire pandemic and is at some of its lowest levels now. since september 1, 26 deaths (that is a u.s. equivalent of 224 per day). just as low levels for the months prior to sep 1 also.

i've found that school openings have had little correlation to community spread in my state and nationwide, and much higher correlation to who is in charge. supe just got offered a job in a red state but don't know about his new district. should be interesting.

Thanks. Our kids in our town are hybrid and go to school in cohorts Last Spring it was all distant learning. My wife teaches two classes in person and two or three remote but that is college. Was all remote in the Spring after the break.

It is a mess. Black swan. I feel bad for kids in school but I don’t have an answer. I would have thought your district would have taken some life lessons and applied them to the fall.

[ABV 8.3%]

SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN. for two weeks.

you telling me you can't stock up food for two weeks?

I can. Can poor people? Didn't Congress give "poor" people some money? A bag of rice, beans etc. costs much.

And what about electricity? Or water plants? Or natural gas. Who runs those? Elves? All automated. If someone has to be there, as in a NUKE power plant, bring in all those FEMA trailers for housing. Simple. Or army tents. Simple.

And what about the government? They don't talk for two weeks? Don't they communicate via internet?

And hospitals? Whoops, you forgot about them. Nope. Didn't. Nor elder care facilities. Or prisons, or prisons, or the US Coast guard.

And police? Whoops, you forgot about them. Nope...not needed if everyone has to stay inside, at home. I did mention drones, correct?

And, and, and............and and and. what are YOUR solutions? mask up and wash your hands? seems to be working just fine

Suddenly, you think lockdowns are bad? I am confused

Yep. We know you're confused.

I have said the same thing since day one: there are no "right moves" in a pandemic. No matter what you do, people die, and economic damage occurs.

You, on the other hand, have been crowing about having all the answers, and that all of us are doing it wrong. Yet when I hold your feet to the flames, it turns out that you have no clue what you're talking about.

You state there are no "write moves", and bash me for having "all" answers. Which is it?

So, lets hash out your concerns. Cops, fire, hospitals, etc. Infrastructure. Is this really that big of a challenge? We don't need cops jerking off to porn on the side of the highway waiting for the speedsters, do we? Did I mention drones? We have security cams everywhere. Stay at home, right?

You forgot gasoline production, dock workers...because, after all, getting that new 100inch TV screen IS SO ESSENTIAL. If no one is driving, no need for gas. No need for media. You wanna learn something, pick up the phone and CALL someone.

no wrong answers, unless it's me....got it.

[ABV 8.3%]

SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN. for two weeks.

you telling me you can't stock up food for two weeks?

I can. Can poor people?

And what about electricity? Or water plants? Or natural gas. Who runs those? Elves?

And what about the government? They don't talk for two weeks?

And hospitals? Whoops, you forgot about them.

And police? Whoops, you forgot about them.

And, and, and......

Suddenly, you think lockdowns are bad? I am confused

Yep. We know you're confused.

I have said the same thing since day one: there are no "right moves" in a pandemic. No matter what you do, people die, and economic damage occurs.

You, on the other hand, have been crowing about having all the answers, and that all of us are doing it wrong. Yet when I hold your feet to the flames, it turns out that you have no clue what you're talking about.

After we all quarantine for two weeks...ABV 8.3% can drive out to Logan Airport and UBER international arrivals into Back Bay!

Sick of the personal attacks..............pointless too

[Typical Lax Dad]

SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN. for two weeks.

you telling me you can't stock up food for two weeks?

I can. Can poor people?

And what about electricity? Or water plants? Or natural gas. Who runs those? Elves?

And what about the government? They don't talk for two weeks?

And hospitals? Whoops, you forgot about them.

And police? Whoops, you forgot about them.

And, and, and......

Suddenly, you think lockdowns are bad? I am confused

Yep. We know you're confused.

I have said the same thing since day one: there are no "right moves" in a pandemic. No matter what you do, people die, and economic damage occurs.

You, on the other hand, have been crowing about having all the answers, and that all of us are doing it wrong. Yet when I hold your feet to the flames, it turns out that you have no clue what you're talking about.

After we all quarantine for two weeks...ABV 8.3% can drive out to Logan Airport and UBER international arrivals into Back Bay!

Sick of the personal attacks..............pointless too

I am sorry. Hope you feel better. I didn’t mean that as an attack but if you took it that way, I apologize.

[ABV 8.3%]

I believe you are sincere. Sincerely, I do believe your apology.


Now, about getting a vaccine? DocB has the answers as to how to get one? jhu72?

Clearly, you are of the understanding that someone who tested positive for covid will NOT be getting a vaccine.

I've had pneumonia........several times. Stupid to get a shot, right?

[Typical Lax Dad]

I believe you are sincere. Sincerely, I do believe your apology.


Now, about getting a vaccine? DocB has the answers as to how to get one? jhu72?

Clearly, you are of the understanding that someone who tested positive for covid will NOT be getting a vaccine.

I've had pneumonia........several times. Stupid to get a shot, right?

If you had the flu, do you get vaccinated?