Naahh. Folks at UW got it wrong and what’s 280 thousand dead Americans.... we should go free range.... Americans deserve personal irresponsibility!
A look back: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/31/co ... -response/
Naahh. Folks at UW got it wrong and what’s 280 thousand dead Americans.... we should go free range.... Americans deserve personal irresponsibility!
if you say so.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:10 pmBetter to overestimate than under estimate!wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:59 pm mdlax, he is being intentionally misleading. has been for a while. has cited ihme more than once and when new numbers come up or when cnn has done bits on it... those are days he brings it up. with inflated info each time. yesterday... cnn, then inflated, incorrect "scary" numbers. personally, i think it's damaging to low-information people and those they affect just like trump has been...BUT nothing i can do about it.
get used to it. wait... you should be.
Bigly!wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:51 pmif you say so.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:10 pmBetter to overestimate than under estimate!wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:59 pm mdlax, he is being intentionally misleading. has been for a while. has cited ihme more than once and when new numbers come up or when cnn has done bits on it... those are days he brings it up. with inflated info each time. yesterday... cnn, then inflated, incorrect "scary" numbers. personally, i think it's damaging to low-information people and those they affect just like trump has been...BUT nothing i can do about it.
get used to it. wait... you should be.
please do.......Matnum PI wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:49 amI definitely do not got it. What is going on on this forum/website (in this world?) that is not OK? Actually... I take it back. I'll just nod my head and smile politely.
reading comprehension....a.fan.......not ALL data is fear porn. Most of it IS manipulated. tRump bad stuff. (he IS), but, I repeat, anyone that claims that politicians are the ones to keep us safe....the ones to go to for medical advice....IS insanity.a fan wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:59 pmYou keep calling any data you read fear porn. WRONG.....I call fear porn for what it IS. I made it very clear WHY is thought THIS data is bad.ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:51 pmfear porn disguised as mathCU77 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:57 pmThe one-foot-in-the-grave argument is nonsense. Look at the "excess deaths" statistics. This compares total deaths over a period to a baseline of the past few years. So far in 2020, there have been close to 300,000 excess deaths in the US, regardless of cause.SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:24 pm A big Ef U to those saying, or even implying, that Covid deaths are no big deal for those already with one foot in the grave.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm
EDIT: this was already noted by Md above
The dust is going to settle from this pandemic. And when they do, scientists are going to do a tally.
Given that, I have to ask: what number of dead from Covid is "too high" for you? I answered, you did NOT.
Where is that bar for you? 500K dead? 1 million dead?
What's the number of dead that makes ABV8.3% say to himself "ok, this is a serious pandemic"? Serious problem? I define alcoholism as a serious problem. How many, AFAN
why you even bother is amazing.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:09 pmmdlax... on the one hand you say/advocate that schools can't be safely done.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:02 pmDid I say that wasn't a concern at Gilman???wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:55 pmbut a few minutes ago it was grandma and grandpa at risk. but not for the kids at private schools. this virus sure is slick. glad there's no spread there so it's not endangering those poor communities.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:46 pmNot sure what the crack about 'perks for elite' means, but if you simply mean that Gilman is expending a lot of resources to get the job done, that's very much correct. We're also raising funds for emergency tuition support for the ~ 50% of families who receive aid, some of whom can't afford the balance in the Covid work environment and for other families suddenly in need of support too.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:41 pmmust be nice. perks for the elite.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:38 pmI was responding to the notion that they didn't need the older teacher cohort to stay involved. They did and will.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:34 pmthe parents/grandparents thing is over. redfield and fauci say so. follow the science, right?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:26 pmThey didn't have, and don't have, enough teachers as it is, especially given need to distance the kids...the issue isn't just the teachers, it's the parents and grandparents.
To be overly simplistic: Close bars, open schools.
you would find a good portion of parents and kids who stay home. those that go could also do some hybrid. working out the numbers was never the problem.
what's gilman doing?
Re Gilman
Hybrid, prioritizing the youngest in-person. Rotating older students.
As much as possible in tents outside. Lots of testing.
Not sure what they will do this winter post Xmas break, assuming it gets even more intense in MD before it gets better as I think we would anticipate this spring.
hope grandma and grampa gilman are ok.
Or if you mean that Gilman has resources that lots and lots of other schools do not, I absolutely agree. The 'costs' for kids is being felt dramatically disproportionately in the poorest communities, especially public schools.
i really don't think you have any idea how that all sounds.
Of course it is.
That's why all the efforts to try to keep the virus spread out of the classrooms. Testing, distancing, outside, etc. Hybrid, rotation.
Is it even more of an issue for poor communities, which have a higher likelihood of multiple-generational households in smaller environments? Of course.
Most families with the average means of Gilman families don't have multi-generational households like mine when my parents lived with us and my wife's older brother lived with us during the years my son was at Gilman. Unusual.
But Gilman also serves less well off families and it's definitely been a serious concern.
on the other hand, you have (it looks like) actively supported your high end private school to do it.
right after attempting to shame someone on here. there is a word for that. sorry, but i have no filter on this subject.
stay home. online sex IS the sameTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:06 amI believe he said parents and grandparents and actually in many communities, grandparents handle childcare duties, unfortunately....not everyone can hire a nanny....I knew a family that had a nanny for each kid....another had a nanny and he was 18. I always wondered about that “nanny”....wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:44 ammissed this last night, sorry i'm guessing you wanted to hear back from me. above, this is what you said:MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pmwgdsr, you have this habit of picking fights with me, exaggerating what I've said.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:09 pmmdlax... on the one hand you say/advocate that schools can't be safely done.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:02 pmDid I say that wasn't a concern at Gilman???wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:55 pmbut a few minutes ago it was grandma and grandpa at risk. but not for the kids at private schools. this virus sure is slick. glad there's no spread there so it's not endangering those poor communities.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:46 pmNot sure what the crack about 'perks for elite' means, but if you simply mean that Gilman is expending a lot of resources to get the job done, that's very much correct. We're also raising funds for emergency tuition support for the ~ 50% of families who receive aid, some of whom can't afford the balance in the Covid work environment and for other families suddenly in need of support too.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:41 pmmust be nice. perks for the elite.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:38 pmI was responding to the notion that they didn't need the older teacher cohort to stay involved. They did and will.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:34 pmthe parents/grandparents thing is over. redfield and fauci say so. follow the science, right?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:26 pmThey didn't have, and don't have, enough teachers as it is, especially given need to distance the kids...the issue isn't just the teachers, it's the parents and grandparents.
To be overly simplistic: Close bars, open schools.
you would find a good portion of parents and kids who stay home. those that go could also do some hybrid. working out the numbers was never the problem.
what's gilman doing?
Re Gilman
Hybrid, prioritizing the youngest in-person. Rotating older students.
As much as possible in tents outside. Lots of testing.
Not sure what they will do this winter post Xmas break, assuming it gets even more intense in MD before it gets better as I think we would anticipate this spring.
hope grandma and grampa gilman are ok.
Or if you mean that Gilman has resources that lots and lots of other schools do not, I absolutely agree. The 'costs' for kids is being felt dramatically disproportionately in the poorest communities, especially public schools.
i really don't think you have any idea how that all sounds.
Of course it is.
That's why all the efforts to try to keep the virus spread out of the classrooms. Testing, distancing, outside, etc. Hybrid, rotation.
Is it even more of an issue for poor communities, which have a higher likelihood of multiple-generational households in smaller environments? Of course.
Most families with the average means of Gilman families don't have multi-generational households like mine when my parents lived with us and my wife's older brother lived with us during the years my son was at Gilman. Unusual.
But Gilman also serves less well off families and it's definitely been a serious concern.
on the other hand, you have (it looks like) actively supported your high end private school to do it.
right after attempting to shame someone on here. there is a word for that. sorry, but i have no filter on this subject.
I didn't say schooling can't be done safely. I have said it's hard, it's costly, and if you don't address that reality, you're in for trouble.
Who did I attempt to shame? I missed that. My response to Cooter???
Was I sharp or rude with him??
Or do you mean Joe?what i read from that:MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pm They didn't have, and don't have, enough teachers as it is, especially given need to distance the kids...the issue isn't just the teachers, it's the parents and grandparents.
To be overly simplistic: Close bars, open schools.
reply to cooter on teachers, logistics.
grandma and grandpa at major risk is just a (the?) major issue with opening schools.
IF you close the bars, THEN you should/could be allowed to open the schools. except my school and orbit, we can do that for us. (i added that last part from subsequent conversation)
do you seriously believe there is anyone here, or more importantly at 10's of 1000's of school districts, that think it would be easy and inexpensive? or do you believe they're just incompetent fools? this was the conversation, and the directly above was your reply. i don't see any possible way i interpreted the last part wrong, but maybe you can clarify how that's way off. or i'm exaggerating. not sure i'll buy it, but i'm open.
so -- what does "To be overly simplistic: Close bars, open schools." mean?
I believe local jurisdictions should be making decisions based on community spread. Was the fall school year in your town carried out like last Spring or was it different?
a fan wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:39 amNoticing the pattern here of late, are ya? Fellow poster complains about you doing xyz-----right before or after they do the exact same thing. But when they do it? It's awesome.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:09 amDidn't Joe, just above, complain about me stating my opinions as if facts?a fan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:51 pm(crickets chirping)a fan wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pmYou are hilariously assuming that EVERYONE thinks like you. You DO understand that Cuomo's health officials have numbers that assume how many people will ignore his orders, right? You DO know there's an entire field called "Public Health", right?JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:57 pm Human beings are social animals, their desire to socialize will not go away even in a Pandemic. By closing restaurants/bars at 10PM what exactly do you think is happening? I can sure as turd promise you that the vast majority don't say, "well, damn its 10PM and Andy Cuomo says its time for me to call it a night" They say, let's take it back to my/your/his/hers house/apartment/backyard/condo/etc and have some more drinks/food/etc. This will continue to happen until the restrictions begin to be gradually eased.
You seem to have all the answers. That's great. I have two questions:
1. what's an acceptable number of deaths from Covid? You want fewer controls and restrictions. That's great. But how many deaths are ok with you? What's the number? 300K dead? 400K? 500K?
2. If you were Cuomo, and you were responsible for the lives of not just the 19.7 million people in your State, but also the First Responders and Hospital workers who have deal with the consequences of your decisions? What would you have done? Gimme a rough outline. Not my question, but gonna field it anyway like Kelly Leak........a rough outline for me IS this. I would have never taken money from the old peoples homes. Certainly wouldn't be owning a piece of these death factories called "assisted living". This IS what you are talking about. FORCING old people housing to accept............blah blah blah.
In all seriousness.....I would have given every healthcare worker wads of cash to stay in the bubble, aka stoopid college hoops bubble tournaments. I mean, I was at a bar drinking with the CNA's that take care of Cape Cods finest old people. Maskless. Sounds perfect. OOops, also. ALL business is essential. Close all, or none. simple.
This should be interesting. If you can't answer the two questions? You have NO place to complain.
The floor is yours.....
When I first read this, I thought the "he" referenced was me, but you mean Joe Biden.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:59 pm mdlax, he is being intentionally misleading. has been for a while. has cited ihme more than once and when new numbers come up or when cnn has done bits on it... those are days he brings it up. with inflated info each time. yesterday... cnn, then inflated, incorrect "scary" numbers. personally, i think it's damaging to low-information people and those they affect just like trump has been...BUT nothing i can do about it.
get used to it. wait... you should be.
but, what if the candle gets blown out by the mild breeze from mother nature? Would my exhales get to you, at , say, ten feet?CU88 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:06 am
You don’t need to wear a mask when you go for a walk or a jog. Donald, who’s famously careful, bikes without a mask. “I consider keeping six feet distant outdoors more important than wearing a mask,” he told me. “If I had a birthday candle in my hand and you’re too far away to blow it out, I can’t inhale whatever you exhale.”
My wife teaches. You got the wrong guy sport.ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:58 amstay home. online sex IS the sameTypical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:06 amI believe he said parents and grandparents and actually in many communities, grandparents handle childcare duties, unfortunately....not everyone can hire a nanny....I knew a family that had a nanny for each kid....another had a nanny and he was 18. I always wondered about that “nanny”....wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:44 ammissed this last night, sorry i'm guessing you wanted to hear back from me. above, this is what you said:MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pmwgdsr, you have this habit of picking fights with me, exaggerating what I've said.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:09 pmmdlax... on the one hand you say/advocate that schools can't be safely done.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:02 pmDid I say that wasn't a concern at Gilman???wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:55 pmbut a few minutes ago it was grandma and grandpa at risk. but not for the kids at private schools. this virus sure is slick. glad there's no spread there so it's not endangering those poor communities.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:46 pmNot sure what the crack about 'perks for elite' means, but if you simply mean that Gilman is expending a lot of resources to get the job done, that's very much correct. We're also raising funds for emergency tuition support for the ~ 50% of families who receive aid, some of whom can't afford the balance in the Covid work environment and for other families suddenly in need of support too.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:41 pmmust be nice. perks for the elite.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:38 pmI was responding to the notion that they didn't need the older teacher cohort to stay involved. They did and will.wgdsr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:34 pmthe parents/grandparents thing is over. redfield and fauci say so. follow the science, right?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:26 pmThey didn't have, and don't have, enough teachers as it is, especially given need to distance the kids...the issue isn't just the teachers, it's the parents and grandparents.
To be overly simplistic: Close bars, open schools.
you would find a good portion of parents and kids who stay home. those that go could also do some hybrid. working out the numbers was never the problem.
what's gilman doing?
Re Gilman
Hybrid, prioritizing the youngest in-person. Rotating older students.
As much as possible in tents outside. Lots of testing.
Not sure what they will do this winter post Xmas break, assuming it gets even more intense in MD before it gets better as I think we would anticipate this spring.
hope grandma and grampa gilman are ok.
Or if you mean that Gilman has resources that lots and lots of other schools do not, I absolutely agree. The 'costs' for kids is being felt dramatically disproportionately in the poorest communities, especially public schools.
i really don't think you have any idea how that all sounds.
Of course it is.
That's why all the efforts to try to keep the virus spread out of the classrooms. Testing, distancing, outside, etc. Hybrid, rotation.
Is it even more of an issue for poor communities, which have a higher likelihood of multiple-generational households in smaller environments? Of course.
Most families with the average means of Gilman families don't have multi-generational households like mine when my parents lived with us and my wife's older brother lived with us during the years my son was at Gilman. Unusual.
But Gilman also serves less well off families and it's definitely been a serious concern.
on the other hand, you have (it looks like) actively supported your high end private school to do it.
right after attempting to shame someone on here. there is a word for that. sorry, but i have no filter on this subject.
I didn't say schooling can't be done safely. I have said it's hard, it's costly, and if you don't address that reality, you're in for trouble.
Who did I attempt to shame? I missed that. My response to Cooter???
Was I sharp or rude with him??
Or do you mean Joe?what i read from that:MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 pm They didn't have, and don't have, enough teachers as it is, especially given need to distance the kids...the issue isn't just the teachers, it's the parents and grandparents.
To be overly simplistic: Close bars, open schools.
reply to cooter on teachers, logistics.
grandma and grandpa at major risk is just a (the?) major issue with opening schools.
IF you close the bars, THEN you should/could be allowed to open the schools. except my school and orbit, we can do that for us. (i added that last part from subsequent conversation)
do you seriously believe there is anyone here, or more importantly at 10's of 1000's of school districts, that think it would be easy and inexpensive? or do you believe they're just incompetent fools? this was the conversation, and the directly above was your reply. i don't see any possible way i interpreted the last part wrong, but maybe you can clarify how that's way off. or i'm exaggerating. not sure i'll buy it, but i'm open.
so -- what does "To be overly simplistic: Close bars, open schools." mean?
I believe local jurisdictions should be making decisions based on community spread. Was the fall school year in your town carried out like last Spring or was it different?
Yes. But you forget that ALL causes of death have the same issues. You're convinced that ONLY Covid deaths are counted this way. How many Americans die from heart disease, when the REAL problem is that they're simply old? You ignore this, because you're on a Covid crusade for whatever reason.
You still haven't answered. For the same reason all the "Fear Porn" people don't want to answer this question. You know you're going to sound insane. So you refuse to answer the question, and then pull a "look a squirrel" with alcohol.
Right. Only the things YOU don't want to hear is fear porn. That much I have figured out. So you're overjoyed to give me numbers on deaths from causes other than Cancer. Oh THOSE numbers are accurate, and would NEVER be manipulated. But the numbers from Covid are wrong. Because of course they are.
Great. So now you've closed all businesses in the State.
What set you off this morning? Duval as the possible AG? That would be a nightmare for him on this board!ABV 8.3% wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:29 ambut, what if the candle gets blown out by the mild breeze from mother nature? Would my exhales get to you, at , say, ten feet?CU88 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:06 am
You don’t need to wear a mask when you go for a walk or a jog. Donald, who’s famously careful, bikes without a mask. “I consider keeping six feet distant outdoors more important than wearing a mask,” he told me. “If I had a birthday candle in my hand and you’re too far away to blow it out, I can’t inhale whatever you exhale.”
something about spitting into the wind and NOT messing around with Jim/Slim.
The fact that you never consider the numbers is the part that is telling. You ignore this. Always. Does Colorado use different ABV measurement, than, say, New York. Or, do they just "assume" the vodka content?a fan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:51 amYes. But you forget that ALL causes of death have the same issues. You're convinced that ONLY Covid deaths are counted this way. How many Americans die from heart disease, when the REAL problem is that they're simply old? You ignore this, because you're on a Covid crusade for whatever reason.
You still haven't answered. For the same reason all the "Fear Porn" people don't want to answer this question. You know you're going to sound insane. So you refuse to answer the question, and then pull a "look a squirrel" with alcohol.
Right. Only the things YOU don't want to hear is fear porn. That much I have figured out. So you're overjoyed to give me numbers on deaths from causes other than Cancer. Oh THOSE numbers are accurate, and would NEVER be manipulated. But the numbers from Covid are wrong. Because of course they are.
And then when I try and set those numbers aside, and ask you how many dead from Covid is acceptable to you? You won't say.
So you take us around in a circle again. Essentially, as usual, you're telling all of us that we're doing it wrong. But you won't tell us what doing it right looks like. Because you don't know.