Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:05 pm
And yes, we still need opposing sides to the debate into perpetuity. Advocates are the extremes and should never have power and can grate on anyone but that’s there job to not be balanced and compromise is the adults finding areas of agreement or common ground.
I agree completely! The problem I am trying to communicate, is that liberals haven't had a seat at the table for 40 years, and as a result, our entire economy has pulled to the right.
You of all people know this. It terms of how our economy works, is America to the right of every other 1st world nation, or not.
The answer is a resounding yes. And why? Because every other country had a strong left that slowly added perqs for their working class over the last 40 years. So they all have health care. They all have government funding education/training. They all have strong unions.
America has none of these things. THIS is what I'm reacting to. You're acting like we're on the precipice of going hard left in America. This is silly. We're nowhere---and I mean nowhere----close to being a lefty country using any metric.
Heck, look at where we were in the 50's. Now how much further to the right are we economically from where we were then. What were tax rates on corporations and the 1% back then? How much did it cost to get an education? How many people were on the road to a pension?
I'd settle for us to move to our economic strategy back then.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:05 pm
Of course you’ll redefine Clinton And Obama as conservative in reply which may be modestly true of clinton but that’s only after the fact Monday morning quarterbacking as no one was saying that even in the first Obama term let alone when he was in office.
Best part about this forum is that there's a record of what everyone said. Or at least there was until Laxpower shut down. That said, disslaxxic and other long time posters will tell you that yours truly was mercilessly mocking the idea that Obama was a liberal during his very first term. And, of course, I was proven correct. But at the time, the right wing of the Water Cooler thought I was nuts. Because Rush Limbaugh said Obama was the biggest crazy liberal ever? Well, it MUST be true.
A liberal doesn't leave our troops in bases all over the world. A liberal would NEVER come up with Obamacare...a liberal would give us single payer just like every other freaking country with any common sense. A liberal would NEVER be against gay marriage in the freaking 2000's. I could go on, but you get my point....
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:05 pm
Certainly not true of Obama. In the moment at time everyone thought of Ethanol mandates as a left agenda item (and it was until folks realized the science and math was flawed). Basically there’s a million examples of compromise and left of center agenda items being implemented which you ignore in your comments.
Ethanol mandates were a giveaway to Flyover America. If you want to cloak that in lefty politics....okay. I disagree.
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:05 pm
It’s pretty common in your statements, but I don’t know how you could defend the complete implosion of any republican or philosophical conservative opposition to a one party system that fundamentally doesn’t trust its citizenship
You think Republicans/Conservatives trust their citizens? Do I really need to list all the things that Conservative America has done to keep Americans from making their own choices for themselves? You can't be serious.