Progressive Ideology

[kramerica.inc]

More love for "grass roots" and "community organizing."

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/11/b ... socialists

What has happened now is that the Republican Party has been ‘Trump-ified,'" West said. "It has become the neofascist wing of the ruling class field tied to the financialized version of a predatory capitalism, with Wall Street in the driver's seat and the Pentagon militarism still hidden and concealed."

West also said he believes the Democratic Party fetishizes identity politics, arguing that this distract politicians from addressing some of the most pressing concerns of America’s working class, which he believes will persist under the Biden administration.

“[Identity politics are] presented [by the Democratic Party] as this progressive, cutting-edge tool to make the class hierarchy and the imperial hierarchy more colorful with all the talk about diversity and inclusion,” West said. “It makes it seem like they are on the cutting edge because they are concerned about everybody in life, which is not the case.”

West said that the Democratic Party serves to protect members of corporate America over the country’s working class, noting the Obama administration’s failure to address white collar crime after the 2008 financial crisis as one example.

“[The Democratic Party is not] committed to eradicating poverty, not committed to ending the mass incarceration regime, not committed to making sure workers are treated with dignity and making sure their voices at the workplace, or a transformation of the role of Wall Street,” West said.

To effect change, Reed said progressives must channel their frustration with the apolitical system into grassroots, community organizing, and that change will only result from “connections and alliances formed through the course of struggle on the ground."

We all know what that means- Have some more pallets of bricks delivered from Home Depot to 3rd and Main.

[Matnum PI]

Joshua Potash@JoshuaPotash
13 hours ago
It’s just weird how every single thing you’re told happens under socialism is happening under capitalism. The bread lines, the unemployment, the authoritarianism.

[a fan]

More love for "grass roots" and "community organizing."

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/11/b ... socialists

What has happened now is that the Republican Party has been ‘Trump-ified,'" West said. "It has become the neofascist wing of the ruling class field tied to the financialized version of a predatory capitalism, with Wall Street in the driver's seat and the Pentagon militarism still hidden and concealed."

West also said he believes the Democratic Party fetishizes identity politics, arguing that this distract politicians from addressing some of the most pressing concerns of America’s working class, which he believes will persist under the Biden administration.

“[Identity politics are] presented [by the Democratic Party] as this progressive, cutting-edge tool to make the class hierarchy and the imperial hierarchy more colorful with all the talk about diversity and inclusion,” West said. “It makes it seem like they are on the cutting edge because they are concerned about everybody in life, which is not the case.”

West said that the Democratic Party serves to protect members of corporate America over the country’s working class, noting the Obama administration’s failure to address white collar crime after the 2008 financial crisis as one example.

“[The Democratic Party is not] committed to eradicating poverty, not committed to ending the mass incarceration regime, not committed to making sure workers are treated with dignity and making sure their voices at the workplace, or a transformation of the role of Wall Street,” West said.

To effect change, Reed said progressives must channel their frustration with the apolitical system into grassroots, community organizing, and that change will only result from “connections and alliances formed through the course of struggle on the ground."

We all know what that means- Have some more pallets of bricks delivered from Home Depot to 3rd and Main.

Thats' not what that means at all. I means that both R's and D's have stuck it to the working class for about 40 years, and the left is on to their horse*hit.

When will the right wake up, and work together with the left to FINALLY force Congress to work in their interests? Is this the year? Or are you all going to double down, and pretend like the left is the enemy, instead of the 1%ers that get richer with each passing day?

[cradleandshoot]

More love for "grass roots" and "community organizing."

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/11/b ... socialists

What has happened now is that the Republican Party has been ‘Trump-ified,'" West said. "It has become the neofascist wing of the ruling class field tied to the financialized version of a predatory capitalism, with Wall Street in the driver's seat and the Pentagon militarism still hidden and concealed."

West also said he believes the Democratic Party fetishizes identity politics, arguing that this distract politicians from addressing some of the most pressing concerns of America’s working class, which he believes will persist under the Biden administration.

“[Identity politics are] presented [by the Democratic Party] as this progressive, cutting-edge tool to make the class hierarchy and the imperial hierarchy more colorful with all the talk about diversity and inclusion,” West said. “It makes it seem like they are on the cutting edge because they are concerned about everybody in life, which is not the case.”

West said that the Democratic Party serves to protect members of corporate America over the country’s working class, noting the Obama administration’s failure to address white collar crime after the 2008 financial crisis as one example.

“[The Democratic Party is not] committed to eradicating poverty, not committed to ending the mass incarceration regime, not committed to making sure workers are treated with dignity and making sure their voices at the workplace, or a transformation of the role of Wall Street,” West said.

To effect change, Reed said progressives must channel their frustration with the apolitical system into grassroots, community organizing, and that change will only result from “connections and alliances formed through the course of struggle on the ground."

We all know what that means- Have some more pallets of bricks delivered from Home Depot to 3rd and Main.

Thats' not what that means at all. I means that both R's and D's have stuck it to the working class for about 40 years, and the left is on to their horse*hit.

When will the right wake up, and work together with the left to FINALLY force Congress to work in their interests? Is this the year? Or are you all going to double down, and pretend like the left is the enemy, instead of the 1%ers that get richer with each passing day?

Ain't that what Fatty means when he says TAATS?

[kramerica.inc]

More love for "grass roots" and "community organizing."

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/11/b ... socialists

What has happened now is that the Republican Party has been ‘Trump-ified,'" West said. "It has become the neofascist wing of the ruling class field tied to the financialized version of a predatory capitalism, with Wall Street in the driver's seat and the Pentagon militarism still hidden and concealed."

West also said he believes the Democratic Party fetishizes identity politics, arguing that this distract politicians from addressing some of the most pressing concerns of America’s working class, which he believes will persist under the Biden administration.

“[Identity politics are] presented [by the Democratic Party] as this progressive, cutting-edge tool to make the class hierarchy and the imperial hierarchy more colorful with all the talk about diversity and inclusion,” West said. “It makes it seem like they are on the cutting edge because they are concerned about everybody in life, which is not the case.”

West said that the Democratic Party serves to protect members of corporate America over the country’s working class, noting the Obama administration’s failure to address white collar crime after the 2008 financial crisis as one example.

“[The Democratic Party is not] committed to eradicating poverty, not committed to ending the mass incarceration regime, not committed to making sure workers are treated with dignity and making sure their voices at the workplace, or a transformation of the role of Wall Street,” West said.

To effect change, Reed said progressives must channel their frustration with the apolitical system into grassroots, community organizing, and that change will only result from “connections and alliances formed through the course of struggle on the ground."

We all know what that means- Have some more pallets of bricks delivered from Home Depot to 3rd and Main.

Thats' not what that means at all. I means that both R's and D's have stuck it to the working class for about 40 years, and the left is on to their horse*hit.

When will the right wake up, and work together with the left to FINALLY force Congress to work in their interests? Is this the year? Or are you all going to double down, and pretend like the left is the enemy, instead of the 1%ers that get richer with each passing day?

I'm trying to figure out who you're mad at, AFan.

The Rs and Ds HAVE stuck it to people for years. And neither of those groups are the saving grace.

The rights are wrongly pandering to the 1%ers. And as long as the left continues to be on the side of nodding and winking at burning cities to try and gain political leverage or redistributing wealth to those who don't kick into the system, they are a problem too.

Think about selfish political messaging and identity politics. It has swept the nation.

Few people are voting to help others. The vast majority of people are really voting for what they think will benefit THEM- whether it be in their 401Ks, the job market, at the local mortgage and loan, as a small business owner, as a single parent, as a teacher, as a defense contractor, as a minority, as an enlisted soldier, etc. etc.

So lets not act like either side has the best interest of people in mind. They are trying to identify with as many people as possible to get reelected and fill their pockets.

[cradleandshoot]

More love for "grass roots" and "community organizing."

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/11/b ... socialists

What has happened now is that the Republican Party has been ‘Trump-ified,'" West said. "It has become the neofascist wing of the ruling class field tied to the financialized version of a predatory capitalism, with Wall Street in the driver's seat and the Pentagon militarism still hidden and concealed."

West also said he believes the Democratic Party fetishizes identity politics, arguing that this distract politicians from addressing some of the most pressing concerns of America’s working class, which he believes will persist under the Biden administration.

“[Identity politics are] presented [by the Democratic Party] as this progressive, cutting-edge tool to make the class hierarchy and the imperial hierarchy more colorful with all the talk about diversity and inclusion,” West said. “It makes it seem like they are on the cutting edge because they are concerned about everybody in life, which is not the case.”

West said that the Democratic Party serves to protect members of corporate America over the country’s working class, noting the Obama administration’s failure to address white collar crime after the 2008 financial crisis as one example.

“[The Democratic Party is not] committed to eradicating poverty, not committed to ending the mass incarceration regime, not committed to making sure workers are treated with dignity and making sure their voices at the workplace, or a transformation of the role of Wall Street,” West said.

To effect change, Reed said progressives must channel their frustration with the apolitical system into grassroots, community organizing, and that change will only result from “connections and alliances formed through the course of struggle on the ground."

We all know what that means- Have some more pallets of bricks delivered from Home Depot to 3rd and Main.

Thats' not what that means at all. I means that both R's and D's have stuck it to the working class for about 40 years, and the left is on to their horse*hit.

When will the right wake up, and work together with the left to FINALLY force Congress to work in their interests? Is this the year? Or are you all going to double down, and pretend like the left is the enemy, instead of the 1%ers that get richer with each passing day?

I'm trying to figure out who you're mad at, AFan.

The Rs and Ds HAVE stuck it to people for years. And neither of those groups are the saving grace.

The rights are wrongly pandering to the 1%ers. And as long as the left continues to be on the side of nodding and winking at burning cities to try and gain political leverage or redistributing wealth to those who don't kick into the system, they are a problem too.

Think about selfish political messaging and identity politics. It has swept the nation.

Few people are voting to help others. The vast majority of people are really voting for what they think will benefit THEM- whether it be in their 401Ks, the job market, at the local mortgage and loan, as a small business owner, as a single parent, as a teacher, as a defense contractor, as a minority, as an enlisted soldier, etc. etc.

So lets not act like either side has the best interest of people in mind. They are trying to identify with as many people as possible to get reelected and fill their pockets.

I look behind me and read the plaque on my wall dedicated to JFKs inaugural address... " And so my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you: Ask what you can do for your country" Like those words mean anything anymore today to most Americans?

[dislaxxic]

The rights are wrongly pandering to the 1%ers. And as long as the left continues to be on the side of nodding and winking at burning cities to try and gain political leverage or redistributing wealth to those who don't kick into the system, they are a problem too.

Wow, now THERE'S a vacuous loada nothing kinda statement. From the borad "The rights [sic] are wrongly pandering to the 1%ers" to the snide slander "nodding and winking at burning cities" comment. Jeebus Kramer, could you take a second give a LITTLE thought to what you're saying? This is nothing more than conspiracy-speak molded around your own prejudices...and they're pretty vacant when expressed like this. Get OUTTA here with that shirt.

Who put the New Deal into place? Who passed generational civil- and voting-rights legislation? Who created the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau? Who wants to TAX the 1% more and more? Who wants to beef up welfare, minimum wages and the social safety net?

That's right. The "progressive" left.

List off some of the defining features of "the right" for us, and try to avoid broad-stroke bromides like "self-sufficient", "small government" and "personal responsibility". Reagan made government the enemy. Cheney showed that "deficits don't matter" while his puppet Shrub rang up ENORMOUS debt in his miserable GWOT. Trump and his "rightist" friends have pushed deficits and debt higher than at any time in recent memory, all the while pushing a wholly xenophobic, isolationist view of the world. China "tariffs" paying the US billions? Please.

Now has the establishment left been calling the shots lately? Sure have...and there you have the tension between what Cradle constantly conflates as "Far Left Progressives" and the more left-of-far-left "centrist" Democrats that got traction with the Bill Clinton/Rahm Emmanuel "triagulations" of the 90's...that attempt to gain more of a majority by moving party positions further right towards what they saw as the "center".

You guys like to throw around the catchy "TAATS" BS and yeah, to some extent that stuff happens, especially closer to the middle where the more spineless establishment types like to entrench themselves.

They're NOT all the same when it comes to ideology...not by a longshot.

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[Farfromgeneva]

More love for "grass roots" and "community organizing."

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/11/b ... socialists

What has happened now is that the Republican Party has been ‘Trump-ified,'" West said. "It has become the neofascist wing of the ruling class field tied to the financialized version of a predatory capitalism, with Wall Street in the driver's seat and the Pentagon militarism still hidden and concealed."

West also said he believes the Democratic Party fetishizes identity politics, arguing that this distract politicians from addressing some of the most pressing concerns of America’s working class, which he believes will persist under the Biden administration.

“[Identity politics are] presented [by the Democratic Party] as this progressive, cutting-edge tool to make the class hierarchy and the imperial hierarchy more colorful with all the talk about diversity and inclusion,” West said. “It makes it seem like they are on the cutting edge because they are concerned about everybody in life, which is not the case.”

West said that the Democratic Party serves to protect members of corporate America over the country’s working class, noting the Obama administration’s failure to address white collar crime after the 2008 financial crisis as one example.

“[The Democratic Party is not] committed to eradicating poverty, not committed to ending the mass incarceration regime, not committed to making sure workers are treated with dignity and making sure their voices at the workplace, or a transformation of the role of Wall Street,” West said.

To effect change, Reed said progressives must channel their frustration with the apolitical system into grassroots, community organizing, and that change will only result from “connections and alliances formed through the course of struggle on the ground."

We all know what that means- Have some more pallets of bricks delivered from Home Depot to 3rd and Main.

Thats' not what that means at all. I means that both R's and D's have stuck it to the working class for about 40 years, and the left is on to their horse*hit.

When will the right wake up, and work together with the left to FINALLY force Congress to work in their interests? Is this the year? Or are you all going to double down, and pretend like the left is the enemy, instead of the 1%ers that get richer with each passing day?

Ain't that what Fatty means when he says TAATS?

Yes, but his argument is stupidly reductive and simplistic and ignores all nuance. Rejects the notion that there's any difference whatsoever between two imperfect choices on the individual level. Basically just like yelling at the broad side of a bard about it and no thesis or argument for a better, different path and (like a child) refuses to make a hard choice, would rather cry about how it's unfair.

They aren't really all the same. Similar in motivation? Sure. Similar in decision making often too. But to state they are all the same is just a kid crying and refusing to make an unpalatable choice. In the real world we have to make a choice and most do. This was the first time I ever voted democrat for President in six elections despite not hating Obama because even though much of the democratic platform is problematic for me or I outright reject for various reasons it was the crappy decision I had to make.

[Farfromgeneva]

The rights are wrongly pandering to the 1%ers. And as long as the left continues to be on the side of nodding and winking at burning cities to try and gain political leverage or redistributing wealth to those who don't kick into the system, they are a problem too.

Wow, now THERE'S a vacuous loada nothing kinda statement. From the borad "The rights [sic] are wrongly pandering to the 1%ers" to the snide slander "nodding and winking at burning cities" comment. Jeebus Kramer, could you take a second give a LITTLE thought to what you're saying? This is nothing more than conspiracy-speak molded around your own prejudices...and they're pretty vacant when expressed like this. Get OUTTA here with that shirt.

Who put the New Deal into place? Who passed generational civil- and voting-rights legislation? Who created the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau? Who wants to TAX the 1% more and more? Who wants to beef up welfare, minimum wages and the social safety net?

That's right. The "progressive" left.

List off some of the defining features of "the right" for us, and try to avoid broad-stroke bromides like "self-sufficient", "small government" and "personal responsibility". Reagan made government the enemy. Cheney showed that "deficits don't matter" while his puppet Shrub rang up ENORMOUS debt in his miserable GWOT. Trump and his "rightist" friends have pushed deficits and debt higher than at any time in recent memory, all the while pushing a wholly xenophobic, isolationist view of the world. China "tariffs" paying the US billions? Please.

Now has the establishment left been calling the shots lately? Sure have...and there you have the tension between what Cradle constantly conflates as "Far Left Progressives" and the more left-of-far-left "centrist" Democrats that got traction with the Bill Clinton/Rahm Emmanuel "triagulations" of the 90's...that attempt to gain more of a majority by moving party positions further right towards what they saw as the "center".

You guys like to throw around the catchy "TAATS" BS and yeah, to some extent that stuff happens, especially closer to the middle where the more spineless establishment types like to entrench themselves.

They're NOT all the same when it comes to ideology...not by a longshot.

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I have no doubt you will disagree, but I would hate a world where there's no option for fiscal and monetary discipline and trust in the citizens who constitute the country. I would solemnly agree we don't have that option currently, but we will be lost if one paradigm that fundamentally doesn't trust it's citizenship controlled all functions of the country.

I can have a debate freely about where lines should be drawn and willing to give often where I even feel somewhat strongly on my position, but it sure feels like you act more like an advocate who wants their side to have total control and no alternative. Is there any limits you'd have in your shangri la type country?

[a fan]

...... but it sure feels like you act more like an advocate who wants their side to have total control and no alternative.

If we're talking economics? The left has had zero---zippo----political power since Reagan arrived.

The right and center right have had TOTAL control of our economy for 40 years. And it's not even a close call. And they---both R's and Ds'------put their faith in trickle down economics this entire time. Tax breaks for multinational corporations, while charging small businesses full freight. Taxing capital far less than labor. Ripping apart unions. Taking away access to 1st world health care. Ripping apart trade barriers that protect American workers. And on and on and on. Pulling even modest regulations on big business and finance away. Moving the tax code in favor of the 1%.

It's not even a close call. The right has called the shots. The left? Totally powerless.

Yet you're worried that one side will have control? Really?

[cradleandshoot]

More love for "grass roots" and "community organizing."

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/11/b ... socialists

What has happened now is that the Republican Party has been ‘Trump-ified,'" West said. "It has become the neofascist wing of the ruling class field tied to the financialized version of a predatory capitalism, with Wall Street in the driver's seat and the Pentagon militarism still hidden and concealed."

West also said he believes the Democratic Party fetishizes identity politics, arguing that this distract politicians from addressing some of the most pressing concerns of America’s working class, which he believes will persist under the Biden administration.

“[Identity politics are] presented [by the Democratic Party] as this progressive, cutting-edge tool to make the class hierarchy and the imperial hierarchy more colorful with all the talk about diversity and inclusion,” West said. “It makes it seem like they are on the cutting edge because they are concerned about everybody in life, which is not the case.”

West said that the Democratic Party serves to protect members of corporate America over the country’s working class, noting the Obama administration’s failure to address white collar crime after the 2008 financial crisis as one example.

“[The Democratic Party is not] committed to eradicating poverty, not committed to ending the mass incarceration regime, not committed to making sure workers are treated with dignity and making sure their voices at the workplace, or a transformation of the role of Wall Street,” West said.

To effect change, Reed said progressives must channel their frustration with the apolitical system into grassroots, community organizing, and that change will only result from “connections and alliances formed through the course of struggle on the ground."

We all know what that means- Have some more pallets of bricks delivered from Home Depot to 3rd and Main.

Thats' not what that means at all. I means that both R's and D's have stuck it to the working class for about 40 years, and the left is on to their horse*hit.

When will the right wake up, and work together with the left to FINALLY force Congress to work in their interests? Is this the year? Or are you all going to double down, and pretend like the left is the enemy, instead of the 1%ers that get richer with each passing day?

Ain't that what Fatty means when he says TAATS?

Yes, but his argument is stupidly reductive and simplistic and ignores all nuance. Rejects the notion that there's any difference whatsoever between two imperfect choices on the individual level. Basically just like yelling at the broad side of a bard about it and no thesis or argument for a better, different path and (like a child) refuses to make a hard choice, would rather cry about how it's unfair.

They aren't really all the same. Similar in motivation? Sure. Similar in decision making often too. But to state they are all the same is just a kid crying and refusing to make an unpalatable choice. In the real world we have to make a choice and most do. This was the first time I ever voted democrat for President in six elections despite not hating Obama because even though much of the democratic platform is problematic for me or I outright reject for various reasons it was the crappy decision I had to make.

That is probably the best definition of TAATS that I have read. They are all way too close to being the same for my liking. When you accept the fact you are dealing with 2 very imperfect choices then you are good to go. I will admit I am warming up to Biden more than I thought I ever would. It is probably very dumb on my part, but a guy who loves dogs and has 2 rescues is okay in my book. The fact that he actually loves these dogs and enjoys playing with them... that is something I can relate to.

[cradleandshoot]

...... but it sure feels like you act more like an advocate who wants their side to have total control and no alternative.

If we're talking economics? The left has had zero---zippo----political power since Reagan arrived.

The right and center right have had TOTAL control of our economy for 40 years. And it's not even a close call. And they---both R's and Ds'------put their faith in trickle down economics this entire time. Tax breaks for multinational corporations, while charging small businesses full freight. Taxing capital far less than labor. Ripping apart unions. Taking away access to 1st world health care. Ripping apart trade barriers that protect American workers. And on and on and on. Pulling even modest regulations on big business and finance away. Moving the tax code in favor of the 1%.

It's not even a close call. The right has called the shots. The left? Totally powerless.

Yet you're worried that one side will have control? Really?

I'm probably way out of my league in this discussion. I do know that the small business folks here in Upstate NY have been paying the full freight for way too long. I don't have any answers but i sure as hell understand the living hell so many small business folks are going through. The simple fact that they are going OOB in droves is all anybody needs to know.

[a fan]

I'm probably way out of my league in this discussion.

You are 100000% not out of your league here. We're all playing in the pros here.

You're not blinded by stupid BS from politicians----and that's all you need to understand how bad they've been screwing the working class.

And in your State? It's the Dems that have been playing trickle game since the 90's.

And they'll keep playing until the lefties make them stop. Sad, right? Actual conservatives have disappeared, and so it's now up to the left to explain to Americans that you can't let businesses----let alone multinational corporations----not pay taxes, and not have MAJOR infrastructure problems, coupled with higher taxes for the suckers that DO have to pay their share.

[cradleandshoot]

I'm probably way out of my league in this discussion.

You are 100000% not out of your league here. We're all playing in the pros here.

You're not blinded by stupid BS from politicians----and that's all you need to understand how bad they've been screwing the working class.

And in your State? It's the Dems that have been playing trickle game since the 90's.

And they'll keep playing until the lefties make them stop. Sad, right? Actual conservatives have disappeared, and so it's now up to the left to explain to Americans that you can't let businesses----let alone multinational corporations----not pay taxes, and not have MAJOR infrastructure problems, coupled with higher taxes for the suckers that DO have to pay their share.

Thank you for your kind words a Fan. You as well as I do understand the futility of having to have "empire zones" to try and coerce business to coming back to NYS. Very few people in my state seem to understand how wrong it is to do that. Then very few people in NYS understand why businesses have bailed out of NYS in huge numbers.

[wgdsr]

that's my vote on both sides in power not caring a whit about their "causes". equally culpable. if you tell them this'll get them elected, or make them a star... they'll care.

don't agree at all that one side has had the stick to do something about it any more than the other over time, fiscally included, but just my perspective. until we kill the idea that this is anything more than public service (term and perk limits), won't change. and the only ones to vote that in are in charge.

[a fan]

don't agree at all that one side has had the stick to do something about it any more than the other over time, fiscally included, but just my perspective.

Disagree. We have been using the rightwing approach to econ. for 40 years. The libs didn't invent trickle down....the American right did.

[wgdsr]

don't agree at all that one side has had the stick to do something about it any more than the other over time, fiscally included, but just my perspective.

Disagree. We have been using the rightwing approach to econ. for 40 years. The libs didn't invent trickle down....the American right did.

ok. that's your theory. who invented it. it's ok to disagree.

[dislaxxic]

I have no doubt you will disagree, but I would hate a world where there's no option for fiscal and monetary discipline and trust in the citizens who constitute the country. I would solemnly agree we don't have that option currently, but we will be lost if one paradigm that fundamentally doesn't trust it's citizenship controlled all functions of the country.

I can have a debate freely about where lines should be drawn and willing to give often where I even feel somewhat strongly on my position, but it sure feels like you act more like an advocate who wants their side to have total control and no alternative. Is there any limits you'd have in your shangri la type country?

By no means do i feel one party rule would be helpful in any way. Not at all. I was going off on the idea that Dems and Cons are just all the same in the constituencies they aim to help. Gave some examples...in fact, not sure WHERE in my words you see a disposition toward one-party rule?

I DO believe in vigorous regulation. Since there is ALREADY a whole lot of socialism going on, i hardly need to endorse it in any overt manner, but the word - all by itself - conjures all SORTS of wild confusion and mis-information. It's used as some sort of political cudgel. I feel capitalism has a firm place in our society, but fully unfettered, un-regulated capitalism can metastasize into a serious cancer...if only it's practionioners WOULD allow it to trickle down more effectively - more broadly - then OK, let's go for that.

Are you saying you feel that progressives want to "control all functions of the country"??

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[a fan]

don't agree at all that one side has had the stick to do something about it any more than the other over time, fiscally included, but just my perspective.

Disagree. We have been using the rightwing approach to econ. for 40 years. The libs didn't invent trickle down....the American right did.

ok. that's your theory. who invented it. it's ok to disagree.

It's not a theory. We've all seen Ferris Bueller and Ben Stein's mention of "Voodoo Economics".

He's talking about the Laffer Curve. He's the guy who came up with the stupid idea of Trickle Down in 1974. Reagan took it, and implemented it.

Not one of the things I mentioned are anything by RightWIng ideas: bust unions, cut taxes on corporations, cut taxes on the very rich.....all with the idea that the economy will boom. It doesn't work, of course.

And there's no way you can argue that a left winger came up with any one of those ideas.

And Reagan is the guy who put the cuts into practice...I can show you a ton of charts that shows that is the moment that dozens of bad things happened. Productivity vs. wages. Income disparity. Net worth of bottom 50% earners. And on and on.....

Not one of these economic ideas came from the left. They are all right wing ideas. I'm not giving you a theory. I'm telling you what actually happened.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/briandomit ... b83fc475ab

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trickle-down_economics

[youthathletics]

Busting labor unions would indeed make plenty of business owners a ton of cash, unions set the prevailing wage AND negotiate for quite significant raises each contract expiration. You could argue they drive Inflation....it’s part and parcel on why business owners seek relief abroad.