Orange Duce

[AOD]

Listening to Rudy and Sidney was definitely 'watching democracy die". Batsh-t crazy.

Not quite die. Perhaps it was like watching one act in an attempted murder.

[dislaxxic]

Interesting tidbit that Iranians admit they have developed their own ICBMs. Without nukes to slap on them what use are ICBM missiles? Yet some of the folks on our forum will never pull their heads out of that dark unsanitary place long enough to realize the Iranians played us like a bunch of fools.

Seems to me a pretty shallow and potentially dangerous bit of creating "alternate facts". You're making a case, ultimately, for more over-aggressive behavior towards this country. Do you have ANY memory whatsoever that the agreement that Donald Trump just flat pulled us out of HAD BEEN NEGOTIATED OVER SEVERAL YEARS WITH SEVERAL COUNTIRES, including China and Russia??

That's right, there was INTERNATIONAL CONSENSUS on the agreement that was reached with Iran.

So take your alternate facts and stick 'em where the sun don't shine, Cradle.

You'll have plenty to complain about when Joey Biden attempts to pick up the pieces and get us back into that agreement, although Trump's meddling may well have precluded that with what's gone on since Trump's senseless and destructive knee-jerk "anti-Obama" move in this issue.

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[seacoaster]

https://mobile.twitter.com/benjaminwitt ... 7900109824

[cradleandshoot]

Interesting tidbit that Iranians admit they have developed their own ICBMs. Without nukes to slap on them what use are ICBM missiles? Yet some of the folks on our forum will never pull their heads out of that dark unsanitary place long enough to realize the Iranians played us like a bunch of fools.

Seems to me a pretty shallow and potentially dangerous bit of creating "alternate facts". You're making a case, ultimately, for more over-aggressive behavior towards this country. Do you have ANY memory whatsoever that the agreement that Donald Trump just flat pulled us out of HAD BEEN NEGOTIATED OVER SEVERAL YEARS WITH SEVERAL COUNTIRES, including China and Russia??

That's right, there was INTERNATIONAL CONSENSUS on the agreement that was reached with Iran.

So take your alternate facts and stick 'em where the sun don't shine, Cradle.

You'll have plenty to complain about when Joey Biden attempts to pick up the pieces and get us back into that agreement, although Trump's meddling may well have precluded that with what's gone on since Trump's senseless and destructive knee-jerk "anti-Obama" move in this issue.

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It is not an "alternative fact" Mr Dis. The Iranians have admitted something the world has already known, they have developed ICBMs. Joe will I'm sure load up the C130 aircraft and do so more "creative' negotiating with our friends the Iranians. Was there also "international consensus" that was going to allow the Iranians to develop as very sophisticated missile system? It may take them a little longer than they had planned Mr Dis, but the Iranians in the not to distant future will have nuclear tipped ICBM missiles. I'm sure that is an alternative fact that you will be very comfortable with when it happens. That is not anti Obama rhetoric or pro trump rhetoric, that will soon be the reality. The game plan from the international community has been... let's make the Iranians delay that day for as long as we can. I'm sure that is a strategy that just pleases the daylights out of the Israeli government. Have a good weekend Dis.

[CU88]

Giving a Pardon to the White House turkey takes on a whole new meaning this year.

[cradleandshoot]

Giving a Pardon to the White House turkey takes on a whole new meaning this year.

Good one

[CU77]

The game plan from the international community has been... let's make the Iranians delay that day for as long as we can.

Still waiting to hear what your plan is.

[ggait]

Listening to Rudy and Sidney was definitely 'watching democracy DYE". Batsh-t crazy.

Not quite DYE. Perhaps it was like watching one act in an attempted murder.

Fixed it for you.

[RedFromMI]

Listening to Rudy and Sidney was definitely 'watching democracy DYE". Batsh-t crazy.

Not quite DYE. Perhaps it was like watching one act in an attempted murder.

Fixed it for you.

[cradleandshoot]

The game plan from the international community has been... let's make the Iranians delay that day for as long as we can.

Still waiting to hear what your plan is.

My plan is irrelevant, you know that as well as anybody. Every swinging richard understands the goal of the Iranians is to get nukes . Your plan is well it's okay if they get them 15 years from now, at least we don't have to deal with it today. I guess my plan is to sit back and pop some popcorn and watch the show. Ain't much else the US can do except make some more midnight C130 gold runs. If you can't beat em bribe em. How is that for a plan?

[CU77]

Dodging as usual.

The truth is that the only alternative to the Obama plan is all-out first-strike war NOW.

Is that the show you're going to enjoy watching?

[seacoaster]

Cult:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/20/us/p ... trump.html

“ For more than a week, a plain-spoken former federal prosecutor named Sidney Powell made the rounds on right-wing talk radio and cable news, facing little pushback as she laid out a conspiracy theory that Venezuela, Cuba and other “communist” interests had used a secret algorithm to hack into voting machines and steal millions of votes from President Trump.

She spoke mostly uninterrupted for nearly 20 minutes on Monday on the “Rush Limbaugh Show,” the No. 1 program on talk radio. Hosts like Mark Levin, who has the fourth-largest talk radio audience, and Lou Dobbs of Fox Business praised her patriotism and courage.

So it came as most unwelcome news to the president’s defenders when Tucker Carlson, host of an 8 p.m. Fox News show and a confidant of Mr. Trump, dissected Ms. Powell’s claims as unreliable and unproven.

“What Powell was describing would amount to the single greatest crime in American history,” Mr. Carlson said on Thursday night, his voice ringing with incredulity in a 10-minute monologue at the top of his show. “Millions of votes stolen in a day. Democracy destroyed. The end of our centuries-old system of government.” But, he said, when he invited Ms. Powell on his show to share her evidence, she became “angry and told us to stop contacting her.”

The response was immediate, and hostile. The president’s allies in conservative media and their legions of devoted Trump fans quickly closed ranks behind Ms. Powell and her case on behalf of the president, accusing the Fox host of betrayal.

“How quickly we turn on our own,” said Bo Snerdley, Mr. Limbaugh’s producer, in a Twitter post that was indicative of the backlash against Mr. Carlson. “Where is the ‘evidence’ the election was fair?”

The backlash against Mr. Carlson and Fox for daring to exert even a moment of independence underscores how little willingness exists among Republicans to challenge the president and his false narrative about the election he insists was stolen. Among conservative media voices and outlets, there’s generally not just a lack of willingness — they have proved this month to be Mr. Trump’s most reflexive defenders.

For months before the election, as Mr. Trump spread disinformation about the reliability of mail-in ballots, Republicans largely avoided contradicting him and insisted that his concerns about fraud were not entirely unreasonable. And in the weeks since election night, when Mr. Trump falsely declared himself the winner and then refused to accept President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory, the acknowledgments that the race is settled have come mostly from former officials like President George W. Bush, or from a few current office holders, like Senator Mitt Romney, who have not been afraid to air their differences with Mr. Trump.

The same fear that grips elected Republicans — getting on the wrong side of voters who adore Mr. Trump but have little affection for the Republican Party — has kept conservative media largely in line. And that has created a right-wing media bubble that has grown increasingly disconnected from the most basic facts about American government in recent weeks, including who will be inaugurated as president on Jan. 20, 2021.
In the hours after Mr. Carlson’s monologue, word of which spread quickly across social media, Mr. Trump’s supporters not only went after Mr. Carlson but also Fox News. The network has become a source of particular frustration with many on the right after taking a more skeptical view of Mr. Trump’s claims about voter fraud and refusing to reconsider its call on election night that Mr. Biden would win Arizona.“

[Brooklyn]

tRUMP and his chief disciple:





https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em_DhegXcAA ... me=900x900

[holmes435]

Cult

Cult45... not as good as the original.

[seacoaster]

Cult

Cult45... not as good as the original.

Billy Dee Williams is cooler than Trump.

[seacoaster]

I'll put this here, but it should be in a thread about the future of the GOP, post-2020 (but maybe not post-Trump):

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/22/us/t ... e=Homepage

"As President Trump brazenly seeks to delay the certification of the election in hopes of overturning his defeat, he is also mounting a less high-profile but similarly audacious bid to keep control of the Republican National Committee even after he leaves office.

Ronna McDaniel, Mr. Trump’s handpicked chairwoman, has secured the president’s support for her re-election to another term in January, when the party is expected to gather for its winter meeting. But her intention to run with Mr. Trump’s blessing has incited a behind-the-scenes proxy battle, dividing Republicans between those who believe the national party should not be a political subsidiary of the outgoing president and others happy for Mr. Trump to remain in control of it.

While many Republicans are hesitant to openly criticize their president at a moment when he is refusing to admit he has lost, the debate crystallizes the larger question about the party’s identity and whether it will operate as a vessel for Mr. Trump’s ambitions to run again in four years.

Mr. Trump will have no political infrastructure once he leaves office except for a political action committee he recently formed, and absent a formal campaign, he is hoping to lean on the R.N.C. to effectively give him one, people familiar with his thinking said.

The continuing influence of Mr. Trump could also have implications for some of the national committee’s most critical assets: Its voter data and donors lists contain thousands of names of contributors and detailed information about supporters. The voter data in particular is a focus of attention, after distrust arose between the committee and the Trump campaign over the data’s use in the final months of the campaign.

While the committee and the Trump campaign are in the process of untangling joint agreements over access to that information, Mr. Trump sees control of the lists that he helped build over the past four years as a way to keep a grip on power — and to neutralize potential challengers for supremacy over the party, according to Republicans close to the White House.

This power play is alarming a number of R.N.C. members, party strategists and former committee aides, who are highly uneasy about ceding control of the committee to a potential candidate in 2024, a step that they fear would shatter the party’s longstanding commitment to neutrality in nominating contests.

“Trump always wants to use other people’s money,” said former Representative Barbara Comstock, a Northern Virginia Republican who lost her re-election in 2018 thanks to the suburban anti-Trump wave that also felled the president this month. The R.N.C., the Trump campaign and related committees raised more than $1 billion this cycle.

Ms. Comstock — while allowing that “nobody dislikes Ronna” — said the committee should not be a piggy bank for the president’s political endeavors.

Traditionally, the chairs of the national committees of both parties have relinquished control when the other party takes the White House. Yet as with so many other aspects of his presidency, Mr. Trump has little regard for precedent. And many of his lieutenants, particularly those eyeing their own political future, are happy to defend him.

But what is troubling to some Republicans is the risk that Mr. Trump will try to bend the national party to his will by exacting retribution on those lawmakers who have not pledged total fealty to him.

In recent days, the president has railed against two Republican governors, Brian Kemp of Georgia and Mike DeWine of Ohio, who are on the ballot in 2022 and who have declined to aid his bid to effectively steal the election.

One of the president’s most vocal allies, Representative Jim Jordan, is already musing about challenging Mr. DeWine in 2022, according to the Plain Dealer of Cleveland.

Eager to sidestep a spat with the outgoing president, Mr. DeWine said in a telephone interview on Saturday that he had enjoyed “a good relationship” with Mr. Trump. The governor betrayed no concern about his political future, and noted that the president had angrily tweeted at him to float the idea of a primary challenge, but had not directly contacted him to express concern.

“Look, I’m running for re-election, and I’m confident I’ll be renominated,” Mr. DeWine said.

The dismay among Republicans that Mr. Trump is trying to seize control of the party machinery has prompted Ms. McDaniel to try to reassure both camps, the Trump die-hards and those Republicans who want the committee to remain independent.

Jonathan Barnett, the Arkansas Republican chair, emphasized that the party “supports our president,” but that it was imperative the R.N.C. not be seen as an arm of any would-be White House contender, even a former occupant of the Oval Office, particularly as events like presidential primary debates begin. “If we’re not fair, what about the other candidates who want to run for president?” he said.

Henry Barbour, the Republican committeeman from Mississippi and an influential voice in the party, said that “it’s critical for the R.N.C. to be independent,” and that this “should always be the case.”

In a statement, Ms. McDaniel sought to assuage some of the concerns, stating: “The 168 R.N.C. members choose who will lead the R.N.C. I hope to win their support, and that is the most important endorsement.”

A committee spokesman, Mike Reed, said that Ms. McDaniel and the committee had always followed bylaws not to endorse candidates in Republican primaries. “That policy to remain completely neutral in primaries will continue as long as she is chair,” Mr. Reed said.

Senior Republican officials close to Ms. McDaniel said they were already seeking new arrangements between the R.N.C. and the Trump campaign over the donor and data lists, which would provide Mr. Trump with copies of certain lists but also leave them available to other candidates through the committee. Beyond that, these Republicans said, there are limits to how influential the R.N.C. can be in party primaries.

Ms. McDaniel, a Michigan native, has a gilded political pedigree: She is the niece of Senator Mitt Romney of Utah and the granddaughter of George Romney, a three-term Michigan governor. She earned Mr. Trump’s trust in part by urging him to make trips to her home state during the 2016 campaign, which he credits with helping him win there.

She has told people she does not intend to seek another term after 2022, one person briefed on the discussions said, a move that could ensure her exit before the 2024 presidential cycle gets underway in earnest.

So far nobody has emerged to challenge Ms. McDaniel, but some influential Republicans are trying to stir support for Senator Cory Gardner of Colorado, who has just lost his re-election bid and is well-liked among pro-Trump and Trump-skeptical Republicans alike in Washington. Mr. Gardner did not respond to two emails inquiring whether he had any interest in the chairmanship.

The current and former committee members who may prove most formidable have told associates they will not run. That includes Mr. Barbour — whose uncle, former Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi, took over the party after Republicans lost the presidency in 1992 — and Reince Priebus, Mr. Trump’s first chief of staff and a former R.N.C. chairman.

Some party operatives are working behind the scenes to nudge former committee members into the race, with the idea being that once an alternative, even a long shot, enters, it will be easier for others to join.

Any challenger against Ms. McDaniel, particularly one who does not emerge from the ranks of the committee, would start as the underdog. And not just because of her ties to Mr. Trump.

She enjoys a reservoir of good will, thanks to the party’s robust spending, support for the state parties and the success Republicans enjoyed in down-ballot races earlier this month. When she revealed her plans to run again on a recent conference call, a handful of committee members responded with encouraging words and nobody aired a note of dissent, according to a committee member on the call.

A number of state chairs said in interviews that they had already committed to her and her co-chair, Tommy Hicks Jr., who is close to the president’s elder son.

“I believe that she’s done an incredible job both in fund-raising and bringing energy to the party members,” said Jane Brady, the chairwoman of the Delaware Republican Party.

Notably, Mr. Trump has gained even more influence over the committee in the past two years because two of the president’s top campaign aides, Bill Stepien and Justin Clark, worked to install Trump supporters in state-level party posts; it was part of a pre-emptive effort in 2019 to head off the risk of a primary challenge this year.

“At the end of the day, this is the president’s party and this will continue to be the president’s party,” said State Senator Joe Gruters, the chairman of the Republican Party of Florida. “He will have an oversized role no matter what happens.”

However, as Ms. McDaniel solicits support for another two-year term, she is also attempting a difficult balancing act — conveying that she firmly supports the president while signaling to more establishment-aligned Republicans that the R.N.C. will not merely be a satellite of Mr. Trump’s post-presidential empire.

Mr. Barnett, of Arkansas, said he had relayed his concerns to Ms. McDaniel about the committee not seeming to favor any one potential 2024 contender and had the impression that “she probably agrees with me.”

Ms. McDaniel was more clear about her commitment to independence with four other Republicans, some committee members and some not, according to each of the Republicans, who requested anonymity to discuss private conversations.

She assured them that she, and not Mr. Trump and his family, would control the party’s finances and that she would resist any pressure the Trumps put on her to mobilize the party against incumbent Republicans who are not pro-Trump. Most strikingly, she told one party leader that if the committee does not rally to her, she will be succeeded by somebody even closer to the president, such as Donald Trump Jr. or his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle.

“If you have a suburban woman problem, Don is not your answer — nor is Kimberly,” said Ms. Comstock, the former Virginia congresswoman.

Aides to the president’s son and Ms. Guilfoyle have said they are not interested in the job. Some senior Republicans said another Trump ally, David Bossie, is being mentioned as a co-chair.

This “alternative-would-be-worse” theory, along with a deeper apathy about the national party, has prompted a number of Republican lawmakers and strategists to make peace with Ms. McDaniel’s serving another term. Senator Mitch McConnell, the majority leader, and Representative Leader Kevin McCarthy, the minority leader, have both endorsed her re-election in recent days.

Mike DuHaime, an R.N.C. political director during George W. Bush’s presidency, said he understood why Mr. Trump would want to retain possession of the party apparatus.

“It has the potential for great value in terms of a platform, fund-raising and relationship building,” Mr. DuHaime said. “However I’ve never seen a former president try to maintain that control, so I’ll have to research the post-presidency actions of Grover Cleveland to see how he did it.”

[Brooklyn]

While so many delusionals of the radical far reich believe Dump to be the Chosen, the Savior, the Ultimate in Presidential Greatness, the Moron-In-Chief pursues his priorities:






Imagine if this had been Clinton, Obama, or Biden ---- what would those drugged up fools be saying?

[DMac]

Pretty amazing, Prez Pizzin My Pants Cuz I Can't Get My Way, has just put the country on autopilot while he flies by seat of his pants. Phukk the country, this is about me. When you Trumpsters came out with the snowflake bullschidt when we said it is scary to have a Prez who is this stupid (and he is) and of this character, this is what we meant. It had nothing to do with his being too tough for us and everything to do his being a narcissistic moron who is incapable of seeing anything in the world as being bigger than himself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZqUkk6fVuQ

[cradleandshoot]

uote=CU77 post_id=204778 time=1605912542 user_id=261]
Dodging as usual.

The truth is that the only alternative to the Obama plan is all-out first-strike war NOW.

Is that the show you're going to enjoy watching?
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The show we are all going to get is the Iranian government will in the near future have nuclear tipped ICBM missiles. Is that the show you will enjoy watching? Is that the show the Israeli's will enjoy watching? Is that the show that the Saudi's will enjoy watching? Is that the show that makes the Middle East a more stable area of the world? Trump supposedly as we chit chat may be considering a plan to do something. That would sure put the Kibosh on any of Bidens plans to resume normal relations with Iran. I don't think it would be very effective but it would make the Iranians very upset. That is not a problem because the US has a lot of C130s and a lot of gold and cold hard cash. What better way to say we are sorry than with cold hard cash. It worked once it will probably work again.

[Typical Lax Dad]

uote=CU77 post_id=204778 time=1605912542 user_id=261]
Dodging as usual.

The truth is that the only alternative to the Obama plan is all-out first-strike war NOW.

Is that the show you're going to enjoy watching?

The show we are all going to get is the Iranian government will in the near future have nuclear tipped ICBM missiles. Is that the show you will enjoy watching? Is that the show the Israeli's will enjoy watching? Is that the show that the Saudi's will enjoy watching? Is that the show that makes the Middle East a more stable area of the world? Trump supposedly as we chit chat may be considering a plan to do something. That would sure put the Kibosh on any of Bidens plans to resume normal relations with Iran. I don't think it would be very effective but it would make the Iranians very upset. That is not a problem because the US has a lot of C130s and a lot of gold and cold hard cash. What better way to say we are sorry than with cold hard cash. It worked once it will probably work again.
[/quote]

We gave them their money back.