Don't know yet. Probably not enough to change the outcome, but we need an autopsy of this election before we do it again.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:11 pmVery benevolent of them!! What has been proven to be wrong with junk mail votes? Other than your guy losing?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:04 pmI don't think anyone expects Trump to continue in office.calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:46 pmSalty, you still think Trump and his republican cronies are simply trying to assure that legitimate votes, and only legitimate votes count? Maybe Rudy can answer that one for us.
I think the GOP's goals are to :
1. win both GA Senate races
2. mollify & retain Trump supporters
3. demonstrate the vulnerability of universal unsolicited mail-in voting for future elections
If not for GA, I think the GOP would be nudging Trump to at least acknowledge that he has no viable path to re-election (without conceding or accepting the validity of the count) & let the transition commence.
I suspect that GOP leaders like McConnell, Cornyn & Blount are fed up with Trump, but know they still need him.
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I was answering calourie's specific question about what "Trump and his republican cronies" are trying to accomplish.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:15 pmBy "anyone", may we assume you mean those with half a brain, not deranged cultists?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:04 pmI don't think anyone expects Trump to continue in office.calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:46 pmSalty, you still think Trump and his republican cronies are simply trying to assure that legitimate votes, and only legitimate votes count? Maybe Rudy can answer that one for us.
I think the GOP's goals are to :
1. win both GA Senate races
2. mollify & retain Trump supporters
3. demonstrate the vulnerability of universal unsolicited mail-in voting for future elections
If not for GA, I think the GOP would be nudging Trump to at least acknowledge that he has no viable path to re-election (without conceding or accepting the validity of the count) & let the transition commence.
I suspect that GOP leaders like McConnell, Cornyn & Blount are fed up with Trump, but know they still need him.
Clearly there are a lot of Trump voters who still fall into the camp of "expects Trump to continue in office". They're downright rabid. And these are the people the GOP needs to continue to "mollify & retain"?
You slipped in the BS crack at the end about "vulnerability of universal unsolicited mail-in voting" as if that's actually been shown in this tragedy/comedy of a legal effort. You do realize that no such vulnerability has actually been demonstrated, right? There's a paper trail...and voters need to be matched to votes...
I'm not sure how much of the GOP he considers to be Trump's cronies.
I was answering for non-Trump GOP leadership.
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you could thank them for your stance. or not.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:08 pmTheir compromise, and compromised, Constitution failed spectacularly in 1861. This nation was preserved only by the lives of over 600,000 Americans. We don’t owe the Founding Fathers any deference ... not even the capitalized letters I used (out of habit).wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:33 pmalready alluded to that. weak sauce. imo.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:27 pmSame Founding Fathers thought it was acceptable to count African American slaves as 3/5 of a person.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:22 pmamerica has always been a place for opinions to be heard. so good on ya, no issues with opinions.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:02 pmAbsolutely not.wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:28 pmas long as we modify the constitution here and there, i'm fine with popular vote per state, certified by sos, gets the slate of electors per state. period. deal?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:56 pm I warned about this potential scenario earlier this year. Trump is working to get Republican state legislators to throw out the popularly elected slate of electors and to substitute their own. There are statutory restrictions on such a move in some states, but Trump is trying to use the courts to get around those restrictions.
DETROIT (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s strategy for retaining power despite losing the U.S. election is focused increasingly on persuading Republican legislators to intervene on his behalf in battleground states Democrat Joe Biden won, three people familiar with the effort said.
... Trump’s lawyers are seeking to take the power of appointing electors away from the governors and secretaries of state and give it to friendly state lawmakers from his party, saying the U.S. Constitution gives legislatures the ultimate authority.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN27Z30G
Trump’s actions are probably the best argument against the Electoral College.
Trump’s attacks on our democracy are dangerous and highly damaging.
His recent attacks on the election were never amusing, and I think more serious attention needs to be focused on his despicable attempts to undermine our democracy.
Shame on anyone who ever supported this authoritarian piece of trash.
DocBarrister
Direct popular vote election of the president is the only solution, whether by removing the now untenable weird compromise of the EC via amendment, or using the Popular Vote Compact. Position of Pres/VP is national - therefore the election should be.
mine is with founding fathers' intentions. our government construct has lasted a long time, and not by accident. flawed at the outset but the ideal for what they were looking to achieve continues to have foresight. imo.
We need to move on from what a group of wealthy white 18th century men thought would be good government.
DocBarrister
so trump's efforts to undermine democracy as set up for us are despicable, dangerous and damaging, but yours are a.o.k. gotcha. again, i'll go with the founding fathers. i'd guess their deal would last longer and with better results. for a reason.
DocBarrister
anyway, sounds like you are off your position on undermining democracy via electoral intention.
on to the next.
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“we”...old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:19 pmDon't know yet. Probably not enough to change the outcome, but we need an autopsy of this election before we do it again.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:11 pmVery benevolent of them!! What has been proven to be wrong with junk mail votes? Other than your guy losing?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:04 pmI don't think anyone expects Trump to continue in office.calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:46 pmSalty, you still think Trump and his republican cronies are simply trying to assure that legitimate votes, and only legitimate votes count? Maybe Rudy can answer that one for us.
I think the GOP's goals are to :
1. win both GA Senate races
2. mollify & retain Trump supporters
3. demonstrate the vulnerability of universal unsolicited mail-in voting for future elections
If not for GA, I think the GOP would be nudging Trump to at least acknowledge that he has no viable path to re-election (without conceding or accepting the validity of the count) & let the transition commence.
I suspect that GOP leaders like McConnell, Cornyn & Blount are fed up with Trump, but know they still need him.
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The Royal "We", or to be more specific, state legislatures.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 pm“we”...old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:19 pmDon't know yet. Probably not enough to change the outcome, but we need an autopsy of this election before we do it again.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:11 pmVery benevolent of them!! What has been proven to be wrong with junk mail votes? Other than your guy losing?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:04 pmI don't think anyone expects Trump to continue in office.calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:46 pmSalty, you still think Trump and his republican cronies are simply trying to assure that legitimate votes, and only legitimate votes count? Maybe Rudy can answer that one for us.
I think the GOP's goals are to :
1. win both GA Senate races
2. mollify & retain Trump supporters
3. demonstrate the vulnerability of universal unsolicited mail-in voting for future elections
If not for GA, I think the GOP would be nudging Trump to at least acknowledge that he has no viable path to re-election (without conceding or accepting the validity of the count) & let the transition commence.
I suspect that GOP leaders like McConnell, Cornyn & Blount are fed up with Trump, but know they still need him.
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“we” don’t matter anymore.old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:35 pmThe Royal "We", or to be more specific, state legislatures.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:31 pm“we”...old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:19 pmDon't know yet. Probably not enough to change the outcome, but we need an autopsy of this election before we do it again.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:11 pmVery benevolent of them!! What has been proven to be wrong with junk mail votes? Other than your guy losing?old salt wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:04 pmI don't think anyone expects Trump to continue in office.calourie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:46 pmSalty, you still think Trump and his republican cronies are simply trying to assure that legitimate votes, and only legitimate votes count? Maybe Rudy can answer that one for us.
I think the GOP's goals are to :
1. win both GA Senate races
2. mollify & retain Trump supporters
3. demonstrate the vulnerability of universal unsolicited mail-in voting for future elections
If not for GA, I think the GOP would be nudging Trump to at least acknowledge that he has no viable path to re-election (without conceding or accepting the validity of the count) & let the transition commence.
I suspect that GOP leaders like McConnell, Cornyn & Blount are fed up with Trump, but know they still need him.
“I wish you would!”
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Where does Rudy get his hair dye? Dollar General? He looks like something from a 60’s sit-com.
https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-gi ... eo-2020-11
https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-gi ... eo-2020-11
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Colorado just finished its fourth federal election with universal unsolicited mail in voting. Here's what the evidence from that demonstrates:3. demonstrate the vulnerability of universal unsolicited mail-in voting for future elections
It works awesome.
Gold standard for voting in the USA.
Voters of both parties love it.
Increases turnout.
Saves money.
Highly secure.
Results available within minutes (assuming you start counting when ballots arrive).
TL/DR: You are a vote-supressing partisan hack afraid of the voters if you think there's a reason to oppose this.
https://thefulcrum.us/colorado-vote-by-mail
Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
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Apparently we need some deaths so we can do an 'autopsy'...ggait wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:46 pmColorado just finished its fourth federal election with universal unsolicited mail in voting. Here's what the evidence from that demonstrates:3. demonstrate the vulnerability of universal unsolicited mail-in voting for future elections
It works awesome.
Gold standard for voting in the USA.
Voters of both parties love it.
Increases turnout.
Saves money.
Highly secure.
Results available within minutes (assuming you start counting when ballots arrive).
TL/DR: You are a vote-supressing partisan hack afraid of the voters if you think there's a reason to oppose this.
https://thefulcrum.us/colorado-vote-by-mail
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Yep.ggait wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:46 pmColorado just finished its fourth federal election with universal unsolicited mail in voting. Here's what the evidence from that demonstrates:3. demonstrate the vulnerability of universal unsolicited mail-in voting for future elections
It works awesome.
Gold standard for voting in the USA.
Voters of both parties love it.
Increases turnout.
Saves money.
Highly secure.
Results available within minutes (assuming you start counting when ballots arrive).
TL/DR: You are a vote-supressing partisan hack afraid of the voters if you think there's a reason to oppose this.
https://thefulcrum.us/colorado-vote-by-mail
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He fought against voter suppression when it didn’t matter.a fan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:55 pmYep.ggait wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:46 pmColorado just finished its fourth federal election with universal unsolicited mail in voting. Here's what the evidence from that demonstrates:3. demonstrate the vulnerability of universal unsolicited mail-in voting for future elections
It works awesome.
Gold standard for voting in the USA.
Voters of both parties love it.
Increases turnout.
Saves money.
Highly secure.
Results available within minutes (assuming you start counting when ballots arrive).
TL/DR: You are a vote-supressing partisan hack afraid of the voters if you think there's a reason to oppose this.
https://thefulcrum.us/colorado-vote-by-mail
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The jockeying for 2024 beginning or will Sasse be drummed out of the GOP too?
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/526 ... blic-trust
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I'm getting tired of all the winning. Biden has won like a few dozen times now. He'll probably get a few more through the final certification. Trump is still like 0-29 in his legal battles, right?
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I think Trump would be within his rights (perhaps for the first time ever) to stiff his lawyer on the fees.Saw this on Twitter: democracy dyes in darkness.
Boycott stupid. If you ignore the gator troll, eventually he'll just go back under his bridge.
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I find it interesting that the group that complains so much about changing gender roles dooming society are the ones wearing more makeup and spending tens of thousands on their hair.
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was all for the rules and regs set up by colo when you posted them. read it thru.ggait wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:46 pmColorado just finished its fourth federal election with universal unsolicited mail in voting. Here's what the evidence from that demonstrates:3. demonstrate the vulnerability of universal unsolicited mail-in voting for future elections
It works awesome.
Gold standard for voting in the USA.
Voters of both parties love it.
Increases turnout.
Saves money.
Highly secure.
Results available within minutes (assuming you start counting when ballots arrive).
TL/DR: You are a vote-supressing partisan hack afraid of the voters if you think there's a reason to oppose this.
https://thefulcrum.us/colorado-vote-by-mail
what we're seeing now was really difficult to predict given all the states doing a back and forth on the fly leading up to election month and not exactly doing a colorado facsimile. and of course, the duce.