All things CoronaVirus

[old salt]

The South Korean lesson, validated in Taiwan.

A high-trust society that credits its government with good intentions responds well to national emergencies

https://www.city-journal.org/the-south- ... vid-lesson

In a condition of rapid contagion, timing is of the essence: each day counts during a pandemic because the virus spreads exponentially. If you don’t stop the virus from the beginning and instead let it expand for a few weeks or months, you will never catch up, or you will need to impose extreme constraints, which South Korea never had to do. Therefore, the first factor in South Korea’s success was an immediate understanding, starting in January, of the nature of the pandemic. The local authorities understood immediately that they were confronted with a severe coronavirus coming from China, something like the 2015 MERS epidemic. The risk was recognized, and the counterstrategy was ready: test, trace, isolate. This strategy was implemented with no hesitation and without interruption.

The achievement of the South Korean model cannot be understood without emphasizing its cultural basis. The South Korean people may like or dislike their government, but they trust that it makes rational choices. These choices are well explained and well understood because South Koreans believe in scientific progress. And the national strategy is thoroughly applied because South Koreans share a strong sense of collective discipline: shame on you if you do not wear a mask or forget to wash your hands. If you’re ordered to quarantine, the order is not a suggestion, and your family and neighbors will not let you escape for a walk in the park or a trip to the store.

The South Korean model has been replicated in Taiwan, following the same guidelines and principles, leading to similarly positive results in controlling the virus. In China and Vietnam, the strategy looks similar, but the results cannot be verified independently because, in these two authoritarian countries, it has been implemented by force by the police and the military. No such violence takes place in South Korea or Taiwan, whose models are more legitimate and democratic.

In the United States and in Europe, we are far less unified culturally and far more quarrelsome, including when it comes to government scientific advice; consequently, we pay for the politicization of the pandemic with our lives. When a vaccine appears, it will probably represent a triumph of Western scientific excellence, but it’s just as likely that South Korea will inoculate its population before we do. The pandemic reveals something surprising in Western civilization—we increasingly doubt the scientific progress that we invented, while Eastern civilizations now embrace it.

We are fortunate to have both S Korea & Taiwan as allies. We should embrace & defend Taiwan with the same commitment we make to our other Pacific allies.

[CU88]

12 of the last 16 days IMPOTUS o d has NOTHING on his public schedule!

MAGA

USA death total for COVID has passed 250,000

MAGA

r's so proud of their hero

MAGA

To misquote Winston Churchill, 'Never has so little, been done for so many, for so long.'" -

[Bart]

effect of actually wearing them is a combination of both protection and source control.

ok. we will wait for that day. i'd add in the community.

wgdsr, here is one persons opinion on the Danish mask study. I hope you can read it with out having to sign up. I could read it the first time but when I wanted to go back over it I was asked to sign up. I found the piece gave an interesting perspective.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/89778

[MDlaxfan76]

Interesting review.

And clearly correct that doing experiments is important to quantifying the effect of various measures.

But I remain perplexed why the fundamental question is even at issue. Perhaps we should test the spread rates of no mask wearing versus actual high mask compliance.

But that seems ridiculous, after all, we don't test the spread of viruses by saying you should cough and sneeze into other people's faces whenever you feel such coming on. No, we say 'cover your nose and mouth, turn away'...

We also don't say, 'if you feel sick, of course you should go to work or to school'.

Did we run a controlled experiment?

Or did we simply observe the dynamics of transmission and look for ways to reduce such? Did we not simply observe that when and where mask compliance was high, infection rates were suppressed and where mask compliance was low, infection spread became exponential?

[Typical Lax Dad]

12 of the last 16 days IMPOTUS o d has NOTHING on his public schedule!

MAGA

USA death total for COVID has passed 250,000

MAGA

r's so proud of their hero

MAGA

To misquote Winston Churchill, 'Never has so little, been done for so many, for so long.'" -

He has quit.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Interesting review.

And clearly correct that doing experiments is important to quantifying the effect of various measures.

But I remain perplexed why the fundamental question is even at issue. Perhaps we should test the spread rates of no mask wearing versus actual high mask compliance.

But that seems ridiculous, after all, we don't test the spread of viruses by saying you should cough and sneeze into other people's faces whenever you feel such coming on. No, we say 'cover your nose and mouth, turn away'...

We also don't say, 'if you feel sick, of course you should go to work or to school'.

Did we run a controlled experiment?

Or did we simply observe the dynamics of transmission and look for ways to reduce such? Did we not simply observe that when and where mask compliance was high, infection rates were suppressed and where mask compliance was low, infection spread became exponential?

I can’t believe it took COVID-19 to spur the development of masks as a safety measure....Just one year ago, they didn’t exist.

[6ftstick]

Who would have more statistics, data, reports, resarch and anecdotal information on the lethality of the coronavirus than a governor of the 8th largest economy in the world and the President of his state Medical Association? 9 months of data State wide, nationally, and globally.

Its how they make their recommendations to close schools, lockdown small businesses, mandate masks and social distancing. What allows them to deny constitutional guarantees of freedom.

This photo shows you everything you need to know about the coronavirus and its danger to us all.

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Thats the Governor of California, the President of the California Medical Association their chief Lobyist and some friends. Representing five different households dining together. Completely unprotected and unafraid of catching or succumbing to the coronavirus.

Tell us again this isn't about power!

[jhu72]

Interesting review.

And clearly correct that doing experiments is important to quantifying the effect of various measures.

But I remain perplexed why the fundamental question is even at issue. Perhaps we should test the spread rates of no mask wearing versus actual high mask compliance.

But that seems ridiculous, after all, we don't test the spread of viruses by saying you should cough and sneeze into other people's faces whenever you feel such coming on. No, we say 'cover your nose and mouth, turn away'...

We also don't say, 'if you feel sick, of course you should go to work or to school'.

Did we run a controlled experiment?

Or did we simply observe the dynamics of transmission and look for ways to reduce such? Did we not simply observe that when and where mask compliance was high, infection rates were suppressed and where mask compliance was low, infection spread became exponential?

... the real life experiments have been taking place for decades if not centuries (in any case for a very long time). Japan, China and other Asian nations. I know of no papers or formal studies but they have been adhering to the principle even for the common cold. There is something behind it. Just as Jewish religious food traditions are frequently found to make public health sense. Not very scientific for a scientist, it is what it is. What I am taking from the comments on the Danish study, it seems it is not terribly strong on the science either. Note: I have not actually read the paper.

[holmes435]

The Covid Pandemic - Satan's Greatest Lie!

A nice little letter from a church daycare here in Virginia on why they were shut down... It's an uphill battle.

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[jhu72]

Who would have more statistics, data, reports, resarch and anecdotal information on the lethality of the coronavirus than a governor of the 8th largest economy in the world and the President of his state Medical Association? 9 months of data State wide, nationally, and globally.

Its how they make their recommendations to close schools, lockdown small businesses, mandate masks and social distancing. What allows them to deny constitutional guarantees of freedom.

This photo shows you everything you need to know about the coronavirus and its danger to us all.

newsom-3.jpg

Thats the Governor of California, the President of the California Medical Association their chief Lobyist and some friends. Representing five different households dining together. Completely unprotected and unafraid of catching or succumbing to the coronavirus.

Tell us again this isn't about power!

What was the date when this photo was taken? How do you know?

[6ftstick]

Who would have more statistics, data, reports, resarch and anecdotal information on the lethality of the coronavirus than a governor of the 8th largest economy in the world and the President of his state Medical Association? 9 months of data State wide, nationally, and globally.

Its how they make their recommendations to close schools, lockdown small businesses, mandate masks and social distancing. What allows them to deny constitutional guarantees of freedom.

This photo shows you everything you need to know about the coronavirus and its danger to us all.

newsom-3.jpg

Thats the Governor of California, the President of the California Medical Association their chief Lobyist and some friends. Representing five different households dining together. Completely unprotected and unafraid of catching or succumbing to the coronavirus.

Tell us again this isn't about power!

What was the date when this photo was taken? How do you know?

The person who took it was dining in the same restaurant at the same time.

November 13th: California Gov. Gavin Newsom apologized on Friday for attending a dinner party last week at Thomas Keller’s French Laundry restaurant in Napa Valley, noting that he “should have modeled better behavior.”

[Typical Lax Dad]

The Covid Pandemic - Satan's Greatest Lie!

A nice little letter from a church daycare here in Virginia on why they were shut down... It's an uphill battle.

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Bye Steve

[jhu72]

Who would have more statistics, data, reports, resarch and anecdotal information on the lethality of the coronavirus than a governor of the 8th largest economy in the world and the President of his state Medical Association? 9 months of data State wide, nationally, and globally.

Its how they make their recommendations to close schools, lockdown small businesses, mandate masks and social distancing. What allows them to deny constitutional guarantees of freedom.

This photo shows you everything you need to know about the coronavirus and its danger to us all.

newsom-3.jpg

Thats the Governor of California, the President of the California Medical Association their chief Lobyist and some friends. Representing five different households dining together. Completely unprotected and unafraid of catching or succumbing to the coronavirus.

Tell us again this isn't about power!

What was the date when this photo was taken? How do you know?

The person who took it was dining in the same restaurant at the same time.

November 13th: California Gov. Gavin Newsom apologized on Friday for attending a dinner party last week at Thomas Keller’s French Laundry restaurant in Napa Valley, noting that he “should have modeled better behavior.”

Yup it is proof of a giant conspiracy, or maybe just what Newsom said. In any case I am not going to change your mind. The quarter million+ deaths apparently doesn't either.

Do you where a mask when in crowded circumstances? Try to socially distance?

[jhu72]

The Covid Pandemic - Satan's Greatest Lie!

A nice little letter from a church daycare here in Virginia on why they were shut down... It's an uphill battle.

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It most certainly is. We are condemned to suffer the consequences. Likely to be a very ugly winter season.

[6ftstick]

Who would have more statistics, data, reports, resarch and anecdotal information on the lethality of the coronavirus than a governor of the 8th largest economy in the world and the President of his state Medical Association? 9 months of data State wide, nationally, and globally.

Its how they make their recommendations to close schools, lockdown small businesses, mandate masks and social distancing. What allows them to deny constitutional guarantees of freedom.

This photo shows you everything you need to know about the coronavirus and its danger to us all.

newsom-3.jpg

Thats the Governor of California, the President of the California Medical Association their chief Lobyist and some friends. Representing five different households dining together. Completely unprotected and unafraid of catching or succumbing to the coronavirus.

Tell us again this isn't about power!

What was the date when this photo was taken? How do you know?

The person who took it was dining in the same restaurant at the same time.

November 13th: California Gov. Gavin Newsom apologized on Friday for attending a dinner party last week at Thomas Keller’s French Laundry restaurant in Napa Valley, noting that he “should have modeled better behavior.”

Yup it is proof of a giant conspiracy, or maybe just what Newsom said. In any case I am not going to change your mind. The quarter million+ deaths apparently doesn't either.

Do you where a mask when in crowded circumstances? Try to socially distance?

Explain the photo

Explain this.
Just in time for the Thanksgiving and Christmas festivities, when most families gather with loved ones, California’s Democrat governor has issued a new set of regulations that bans gatherings of more than three households. Additionally, no indoor gatherings are permitted, so don’t plan on eating around the dining room table unless you lug it out into your backyard.

I think that photo looks just like a typical Thanksgiving dinner that Newsome BANNED for common people in California.

[foreverlax]

Who would have more statistics, data, reports, resarch and anecdotal information on the lethality of the coronavirus than a governor of the 8th largest economy in the world and the President of his state Medical Association? 9 months of data State wide, nationally, and globally.

Its how they make their recommendations to close schools, lockdown small businesses, mandate masks and social distancing. What allows them to deny constitutional guarantees of freedom.

This photo shows you everything you need to know about the coronavirus and its danger to us all.

newsom-3.jpg

Thats the Governor of California, the President of the California Medical Association their chief Lobyist and some friends. Representing five different households dining together. Completely unprotected and unafraid of catching or succumbing to the coronavirus.

Tell us again this isn't about power!

What was the date when this photo was taken? How do you know?

The person who took it was dining in the same restaurant at the same time.

November 13th: California Gov. Gavin Newsom apologized on Friday for attending a dinner party last week at Thomas Keller’s French Laundry restaurant in Napa Valley, noting that he “should have modeled better behavior.”

Yup it is proof of a giant conspiracy, or maybe just what Newsom said. In any case I am not going to change your mind. The quarter million+ deaths apparently doesn't either.

Do you where a mask when in crowded circumstances? Try to socially distance?

Explain the photo

As Newsom said, it was a mistake...something you never heard from DOPUS!!

[jhu72]

Who would have more statistics, data, reports, resarch and anecdotal information on the lethality of the coronavirus than a governor of the 8th largest economy in the world and the President of his state Medical Association? 9 months of data State wide, nationally, and globally.

Its how they make their recommendations to close schools, lockdown small businesses, mandate masks and social distancing. What allows them to deny constitutional guarantees of freedom.

This photo shows you everything you need to know about the coronavirus and its danger to us all.

newsom-3.jpg

Thats the Governor of California, the President of the California Medical Association their chief Lobyist and some friends. Representing five different households dining together. Completely unprotected and unafraid of catching or succumbing to the coronavirus.

Tell us again this isn't about power!

What was the date when this photo was taken? How do you know?

The person who took it was dining in the same restaurant at the same time.

November 13th: California Gov. Gavin Newsom apologized on Friday for attending a dinner party last week at Thomas Keller’s French Laundry restaurant in Napa Valley, noting that he “should have modeled better behavior.”

Yup it is proof of a giant conspiracy, or maybe just what Newsom said. In any case I am not going to change your mind. The quarter million+ deaths apparently doesn't either.

Do you where a mask when in crowded circumstances? Try to socially distance?

Explain the photo

I thought it was clear - I am accepting that the photo is real as you presented it.

[6ftstick]

Who would have more statistics, data, reports, resarch and anecdotal information on the lethality of the coronavirus than a governor of the 8th largest economy in the world and the President of his state Medical Association? 9 months of data State wide, nationally, and globally.

Its how they make their recommendations to close schools, lockdown small businesses, mandate masks and social distancing. What allows them to deny constitutional guarantees of freedom.

This photo shows you everything you need to know about the coronavirus and its danger to us all.

newsom-3.jpg

Thats the Governor of California, the President of the California Medical Association their chief Lobyist and some friends. Representing five different households dining together. Completely unprotected and unafraid of catching or succumbing to the coronavirus.

Tell us again this isn't about power!

What was the date when this photo was taken? How do you know?

The person who took it was dining in the same restaurant at the same time.

November 13th: California Gov. Gavin Newsom apologized on Friday for attending a dinner party last week at Thomas Keller’s French Laundry restaurant in Napa Valley, noting that he “should have modeled better behavior.”

Yup it is proof of a giant conspiracy, or maybe just what Newsom said. In any case I am not going to change your mind. The quarter million+ deaths apparently doesn't either.

Do you where a mask when in crowded circumstances? Try to socially distance?

Explain the photo

As Newsom said, it was a mistake...something you never heard from DOPUS!!

How do you make a mistake of not protecting yourself from the horrible coronavirus when you have more facts than anyone about it?

[MDlaxfan76]

Who would have more statistics, data, reports, resarch and anecdotal information on the lethality of the coronavirus than a governor of the 8th largest economy in the world and the President of his state Medical Association? 9 months of data State wide, nationally, and globally.

Its how they make their recommendations to close schools, lockdown small businesses, mandate masks and social distancing. What allows them to deny constitutional guarantees of freedom.

This photo shows you everything you need to know about the coronavirus and its danger to us all.

newsom-3.jpg

Thats the Governor of California, the President of the California Medical Association their chief Lobyist and some friends. Representing five different households dining together. Completely unprotected and unafraid of catching or succumbing to the coronavirus.

Tell us again this isn't about power!

It shows how arrogant people can be, as well as how folks were getting WAY too relaxed a month ago. Big embarrassment for Newsom, he's apologized, said it was wrong to do. Morning Joe ripped and ripped on him this AM.

6ft, what "constitutional guarantees of freedom" have you been denied?

Love hearing from a Constitutional scholar...

[jhu72]

It is called being human. Everyone is tired of this disease. A majority however are not calling it a democrat hoax, a conspiracy of authoritarians.

Hence my questions? Under what circumstance do you wear a mask?? Do you attempt to maintain social distancing when in crowded spaces?? Do you avoid crowded spaces??