Agreed....14292 times.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:27 amVirtually everyone that comes into Trump’s orbit, is diminished.seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:58 amEven here, with the election called by every credible and creditable source available at this point, General Kelly has to throw in the softening cushion of "be it Biden or Trump." True to form: General Kelly's association with Trump will be the soil that highlights his obituary someday. Just remarkably sad. ETTD.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:51 am Public statement from General John Kelly USMC (ret.)
"The delay in transitioning is an increasing national security and health crisis. It costs the current administration nothing to start to brief Mr. Biden, Ms. Harris, the new chief-of-staff, and ALL identified cabinet members and senior staff as they are identified over the days and weeks ahead. That said, the downside to not doing so could be catastrophic to our people regardless of who they voted for.
Just as important are getting the landing or beachhead teams into the various departments and agencies that protect Americans, our health, and our way of life. In particular are the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Department of Defense (DOD), the Intel Community (IC) and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) so they can begin to build the absolutely critical situational awareness essential for a smooth transition of presidents if required.
Also, time is of the essence to commence the SF-86 process that will lead to required high-level security clearances. Hopefully, the incoming administration, be it Biden or Trump, will take security clearances—and who gets them and why—seriously
All this will allow a Biden Administration, if declared the winner via our Constitutional and rule of law process, to be well on its way to taking the reins to lead and protect the country and our people. It will allow the incoming professionals, if Mr. Biden does indeed win the election, to understand where the current administration is leaving them on incredibly important issues like terrorism, Syria, Afghanistan, China, Iran and Russia, and what our current relationship is with our vital allies and partners particularly in NATO, Japan, South Korea, India, the five eyes, etc.. Just as importantly they will be in a position to develop an effective national strategy to protect all of us against the increasing ravages of the corona virus.
Beginning the transition, even as some claim that a clear winner in the election has not yet been identified, is critically important. The current administration does not have to concede, but it should do the right thing just in case the Constitutional system declares they lost. It is not about the GOP or the Democrat Party. It is not about the president or about Mr. Biden. It is about America and what is best for our people. Mr. Trump should order the transition process begin immediately. It is the right and moral thing to do."
Time for OS to throw him under the bus.
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youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:39 amAgreed....14292 times.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:27 amVirtually everyone that comes into Trump’s orbit, is diminished.seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:58 amEven here, with the election called by every credible and creditable source available at this point, General Kelly has to throw in the softening cushion of "be it Biden or Trump." True to form: General Kelly's association with Trump will be the soil that highlights his obituary someday. Just remarkably sad. ETTD.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:51 am Public statement from General John Kelly USMC (ret.)
"The delay in transitioning is an increasing national security and health crisis. It costs the current administration nothing to start to brief Mr. Biden, Ms. Harris, the new chief-of-staff, and ALL identified cabinet members and senior staff as they are identified over the days and weeks ahead. That said, the downside to not doing so could be catastrophic to our people regardless of who they voted for.
Just as important are getting the landing or beachhead teams into the various departments and agencies that protect Americans, our health, and our way of life. In particular are the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Department of Defense (DOD), the Intel Community (IC) and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) so they can begin to build the absolutely critical situational awareness essential for a smooth transition of presidents if required.
Also, time is of the essence to commence the SF-86 process that will lead to required high-level security clearances. Hopefully, the incoming administration, be it Biden or Trump, will take security clearances—and who gets them and why—seriously
All this will allow a Biden Administration, if declared the winner via our Constitutional and rule of law process, to be well on its way to taking the reins to lead and protect the country and our people. It will allow the incoming professionals, if Mr. Biden does indeed win the election, to understand where the current administration is leaving them on incredibly important issues like terrorism, Syria, Afghanistan, China, Iran and Russia, and what our current relationship is with our vital allies and partners particularly in NATO, Japan, South Korea, India, the five eyes, etc.. Just as importantly they will be in a position to develop an effective national strategy to protect all of us against the increasing ravages of the corona virus.
Beginning the transition, even as some claim that a clear winner in the election has not yet been identified, is critically important. The current administration does not have to concede, but it should do the right thing just in case the Constitutional system declares they lost. It is not about the GOP or the Democrat Party. It is not about the president or about Mr. Biden. It is about America and what is best for our people. Mr. Trump should order the transition process begin immediately. It is the right and moral thing to do."
Time for OS to throw him under the bus.
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Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED
Let's help tRUMP find those fake ballots:
It has been proven a hundred times that the surest way to the heart of any man, black or white, honest or dishonest, is through justice and fairness.
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I wonder how Salty feels about the crew just put in by Trump. Some real pieces of work amongst them...but hey, some on here may agree with them...Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:41 amyouthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:39 amAgreed....14292 times.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:27 amVirtually everyone that comes into Trump’s orbit, is diminished.seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:58 amEven here, with the election called by every credible and creditable source available at this point, General Kelly has to throw in the softening cushion of "be it Biden or Trump." True to form: General Kelly's association with Trump will be the soil that highlights his obituary someday. Just remarkably sad. ETTD.Kismet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:51 am Public statement from General John Kelly USMC (ret.)
"The delay in transitioning is an increasing national security and health crisis. It costs the current administration nothing to start to brief Mr. Biden, Ms. Harris, the new chief-of-staff, and ALL identified cabinet members and senior staff as they are identified over the days and weeks ahead. That said, the downside to not doing so could be catastrophic to our people regardless of who they voted for.
Just as important are getting the landing or beachhead teams into the various departments and agencies that protect Americans, our health, and our way of life. In particular are the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Department of Defense (DOD), the Intel Community (IC) and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) so they can begin to build the absolutely critical situational awareness essential for a smooth transition of presidents if required.
Also, time is of the essence to commence the SF-86 process that will lead to required high-level security clearances. Hopefully, the incoming administration, be it Biden or Trump, will take security clearances—and who gets them and why—seriously
All this will allow a Biden Administration, if declared the winner via our Constitutional and rule of law process, to be well on its way to taking the reins to lead and protect the country and our people. It will allow the incoming professionals, if Mr. Biden does indeed win the election, to understand where the current administration is leaving them on incredibly important issues like terrorism, Syria, Afghanistan, China, Iran and Russia, and what our current relationship is with our vital allies and partners particularly in NATO, Japan, South Korea, India, the five eyes, etc.. Just as importantly they will be in a position to develop an effective national strategy to protect all of us against the increasing ravages of the corona virus.
Beginning the transition, even as some claim that a clear winner in the election has not yet been identified, is critically important. The current administration does not have to concede, but it should do the right thing just in case the Constitutional system declares they lost. It is not about the GOP or the Democrat Party. It is not about the president or about Mr. Biden. It is about America and what is best for our people. Mr. Trump should order the transition process begin immediately. It is the right and moral thing to do."
Time for OS to throw him under the bus.
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The uninformed Mob descends on Washington. Why doesn't the Trump GOP support American democracy?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va ... -protests/
"President Trump’s supporters had celebrated for hours, waving their “MAGA" flags and blaring “God Bless the USA” as they gathered in Washington Saturday to falsely claim that the election had been stolen from the man they adore. The crowd had even reveled in a personal visit from Trump, who passed by in his motorcade, smiling and waving.
But that was before the people who oppose their hero showed up and the mood rapidly deteriorated, growing far more tense, and angry, as hundreds of counter protesters delivered a message the president’s most ardent backers were unwilling to hear: The election is over. Trump lost.
On stark display in the nation’s capital were two irreconcilable versions of America, each refusing to accept what the other considered to be irrefutable fact.
People spewed profanity and shouted threats, threw punches and launched bottles.
They were urged on by Trump, who refuses to concede or allow a formal transition to President-elect Joe Biden to begin. On Saturday morning, as his devotees remained in D.C. to fight for him, the president headed to Trump National in the Virginia suburbs for a round of golf.
After a week in which more than 750,000 Americans were diagnosed with the novel coronavirus, almost none of the protesters was wearing masks. Among their ranks were white nationalists, conspiracy theorists and far-right activists from across the country.
Shortly after 10 a.m. Trump drove down Pennsylvania Avenue in his motorcade, greeting his cheering fans as they scrambled to the side of Freedom Plaza to catch a glimpse. The president smiled and waved from a car window as people filled the street to follow behind him.
“He drove right past me. I saw him. He waved right past me,” one man said, squatting to collect himself.
A group of women huddled around their phone, looking at a video of Trump’s appearance near a Walt Whitman quote inscribed in the stone beneath them: "The President is there in the White House for you, it is not you who are here for him.”
Then the appearance of counter-protesters sparked bursts of conflict. When a small group holding bright orange “Refuse Fascism” posters arrived at the corner of Freedom Plaza, they were almost immediately surrounded by Trump fans shouting “USA! USA!” into their faces.
The women leading the tiny march fought their way up 14th Street, repeatedly breaking out of the crowd only to be engulfed again. They yelled into their megaphone, “Trump pack your s---. You’re illegitimate.”
One pro-Trump man attempted to gouge the opposition with a flag bearing the president’s name. Another grabbed a woman’s neon orange poster and hit her with it.
When the women made it to the barrier set up by police across the street, Trump supporters filled the entire intersection, blocking them in. Police arrived on bikes and, after several minutes, moved the crowd back.
Shortly after, the pro-Trump crowd began singing the national anthem.
Soon after, on the street beside inscriptions from Abraham Lincoln recognizing the District as a place of freedom, people piled atop a U-Haul truck with a flag of a gun and the words, “Come and take it.”
The president’s backers, who include white nationalists, conspiracy theorists and far-right activists from across the country, carried Trump flags and signs demanding action that was already being taken: "Count the legal votes.” One man, dressed in camouflage and a red “MAGA” hat, waved an American flag attached to a baseball bat.
A family of four on Capital Bikeshare bikes — the father with an American flag tied around his neck like a cape — were cut off by a line of counterprotesters as they tried to leave a tense scene outside the Supreme Court around 1 p.m.
“Get out of our city!” a young woman in black yelled.
“You lost, losers!” shouted a man.
The father and his teenage son began to chant “USA," raising their fists as police officers surrounded the family and pushed them out of the crowd.
“Why would you bring your kids here? It’s dangerous,” observed a man nearby, a helmet on his head and respirator hanging around his neck.
On a day when the president’s supporters touted a vast array of falsehoods, his spokeswoman, Kayleigh McEnany, offered perhaps the most ludicrous.
“More than one MILLION marchers for President @realDonaldTrump descend on the swamp in support,” she tweeted, exaggerating the crowd size by a factor of about 200.
Among the protesters were members of the Proud Boys, an extremist group known for their black and yellow colors and endorsements of violence. Some wore flak jackets and helmets. “Stand Back, Stand By,” read some of their shirts, referencing the president’s directive to them at a September debate.
By early Saturday afternoon, as conservative speakers at Freedom Plaza derided the news media, including Fox News, the Proud Boys marched down Pennsylvania Avenue, leading hundreds in chants of “f--- antifa” and shouting down stray opponents who yelled “Black lives matter.”
“All lives matter!” they screamed back.
Marching with them was D.C. resident Justin Anthony, who waved a satirical sign that read, “Sue anyone who did not vote for this great American.”
He led chants to the tune of “Count only Trump votes” and danced around in a large mock police uniform with the name “Officer Pudge” on its badge.
Almost no one got it, he said. They joined in, asked for pictures, cheered.
“It’s crazy,” he said. “Like, they really don’t see how insane this is.”
The demonstrators had begun arriving Friday afternoon, where they found a White House surrounded by steel barricades adorned with a 15-foot-long, black and white sign declaring that he was not, in fact, the election’s winner. “LOSER,” it announced.
Just before sunrise Saturday morning, that and a matching sign — “FAILURE” — were taken down by federal officials from inside the fencing, according to two witnesses, including activist Nadine Seiler, who recorded the scene.
“Trump is still a loser!” she shouted.
Trump supporters, counterdemonstrators face off near White House ahead of Saturday rallies in D.C.
The Trump believers began gathering at Freedom Plaza Saturday morning hours before the official rally.
“They think we’re stupid,” a young White man with a microphone told the crowd. “They’re underestimating the Donald. They’re underestimating the Donald’s supporters.”
“They’re stupid!” a young White woman replied.
At midday, along the east end of Freedom Plaza, a lone counter protester stood on the sidewalk holding a sign that read, “Trump is the fraud.” He wore a gray cloth mask.
A succession of Trump supporters approached the curb, unmasked, to offer their opinions of his solitary demonstration.
“Why didn’t your mother abort you?” one screamed. “You’re mentally disturbed, and you’re a coward, and you’re a f——. I hope you get AIDS."
“I just feel strongly about the disinformation that’s being peddled on the internet about fraud in this election,” said the counter protester, a 40-year-old D.C. man who declined to give his name because he is a federal employee and feared repercussions at work.
A thin film of sweat had formed on his face. An elderly woman in red MAGA gear paused and stared at him, sadly.
“We feel bad for you that you can’t see the truth,” she said.
“I feel the same way about you,” he replied."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va ... -protests/
"President Trump’s supporters had celebrated for hours, waving their “MAGA" flags and blaring “God Bless the USA” as they gathered in Washington Saturday to falsely claim that the election had been stolen from the man they adore. The crowd had even reveled in a personal visit from Trump, who passed by in his motorcade, smiling and waving.
But that was before the people who oppose their hero showed up and the mood rapidly deteriorated, growing far more tense, and angry, as hundreds of counter protesters delivered a message the president’s most ardent backers were unwilling to hear: The election is over. Trump lost.
On stark display in the nation’s capital were two irreconcilable versions of America, each refusing to accept what the other considered to be irrefutable fact.
People spewed profanity and shouted threats, threw punches and launched bottles.
They were urged on by Trump, who refuses to concede or allow a formal transition to President-elect Joe Biden to begin. On Saturday morning, as his devotees remained in D.C. to fight for him, the president headed to Trump National in the Virginia suburbs for a round of golf.
After a week in which more than 750,000 Americans were diagnosed with the novel coronavirus, almost none of the protesters was wearing masks. Among their ranks were white nationalists, conspiracy theorists and far-right activists from across the country.
Shortly after 10 a.m. Trump drove down Pennsylvania Avenue in his motorcade, greeting his cheering fans as they scrambled to the side of Freedom Plaza to catch a glimpse. The president smiled and waved from a car window as people filled the street to follow behind him.
“He drove right past me. I saw him. He waved right past me,” one man said, squatting to collect himself.
A group of women huddled around their phone, looking at a video of Trump’s appearance near a Walt Whitman quote inscribed in the stone beneath them: "The President is there in the White House for you, it is not you who are here for him.”
Then the appearance of counter-protesters sparked bursts of conflict. When a small group holding bright orange “Refuse Fascism” posters arrived at the corner of Freedom Plaza, they were almost immediately surrounded by Trump fans shouting “USA! USA!” into their faces.
The women leading the tiny march fought their way up 14th Street, repeatedly breaking out of the crowd only to be engulfed again. They yelled into their megaphone, “Trump pack your s---. You’re illegitimate.”
One pro-Trump man attempted to gouge the opposition with a flag bearing the president’s name. Another grabbed a woman’s neon orange poster and hit her with it.
When the women made it to the barrier set up by police across the street, Trump supporters filled the entire intersection, blocking them in. Police arrived on bikes and, after several minutes, moved the crowd back.
Shortly after, the pro-Trump crowd began singing the national anthem.
Soon after, on the street beside inscriptions from Abraham Lincoln recognizing the District as a place of freedom, people piled atop a U-Haul truck with a flag of a gun and the words, “Come and take it.”
The president’s backers, who include white nationalists, conspiracy theorists and far-right activists from across the country, carried Trump flags and signs demanding action that was already being taken: "Count the legal votes.” One man, dressed in camouflage and a red “MAGA” hat, waved an American flag attached to a baseball bat.
A family of four on Capital Bikeshare bikes — the father with an American flag tied around his neck like a cape — were cut off by a line of counterprotesters as they tried to leave a tense scene outside the Supreme Court around 1 p.m.
“Get out of our city!” a young woman in black yelled.
“You lost, losers!” shouted a man.
The father and his teenage son began to chant “USA," raising their fists as police officers surrounded the family and pushed them out of the crowd.
“Why would you bring your kids here? It’s dangerous,” observed a man nearby, a helmet on his head and respirator hanging around his neck.
On a day when the president’s supporters touted a vast array of falsehoods, his spokeswoman, Kayleigh McEnany, offered perhaps the most ludicrous.
“More than one MILLION marchers for President @realDonaldTrump descend on the swamp in support,” she tweeted, exaggerating the crowd size by a factor of about 200.
Among the protesters were members of the Proud Boys, an extremist group known for their black and yellow colors and endorsements of violence. Some wore flak jackets and helmets. “Stand Back, Stand By,” read some of their shirts, referencing the president’s directive to them at a September debate.
By early Saturday afternoon, as conservative speakers at Freedom Plaza derided the news media, including Fox News, the Proud Boys marched down Pennsylvania Avenue, leading hundreds in chants of “f--- antifa” and shouting down stray opponents who yelled “Black lives matter.”
“All lives matter!” they screamed back.
Marching with them was D.C. resident Justin Anthony, who waved a satirical sign that read, “Sue anyone who did not vote for this great American.”
He led chants to the tune of “Count only Trump votes” and danced around in a large mock police uniform with the name “Officer Pudge” on its badge.
Almost no one got it, he said. They joined in, asked for pictures, cheered.
“It’s crazy,” he said. “Like, they really don’t see how insane this is.”
The demonstrators had begun arriving Friday afternoon, where they found a White House surrounded by steel barricades adorned with a 15-foot-long, black and white sign declaring that he was not, in fact, the election’s winner. “LOSER,” it announced.
Just before sunrise Saturday morning, that and a matching sign — “FAILURE” — were taken down by federal officials from inside the fencing, according to two witnesses, including activist Nadine Seiler, who recorded the scene.
“Trump is still a loser!” she shouted.
Trump supporters, counterdemonstrators face off near White House ahead of Saturday rallies in D.C.
The Trump believers began gathering at Freedom Plaza Saturday morning hours before the official rally.
“They think we’re stupid,” a young White man with a microphone told the crowd. “They’re underestimating the Donald. They’re underestimating the Donald’s supporters.”
“They’re stupid!” a young White woman replied.
At midday, along the east end of Freedom Plaza, a lone counter protester stood on the sidewalk holding a sign that read, “Trump is the fraud.” He wore a gray cloth mask.
A succession of Trump supporters approached the curb, unmasked, to offer their opinions of his solitary demonstration.
“Why didn’t your mother abort you?” one screamed. “You’re mentally disturbed, and you’re a coward, and you’re a f——. I hope you get AIDS."
“I just feel strongly about the disinformation that’s being peddled on the internet about fraud in this election,” said the counter protester, a 40-year-old D.C. man who declined to give his name because he is a federal employee and feared repercussions at work.
A thin film of sweat had formed on his face. An elderly woman in red MAGA gear paused and stared at him, sadly.
“We feel bad for you that you can’t see the truth,” she said.
“I feel the same way about you,” he replied."
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David Boies is chairman of the law firm Boies, Schiller & Flexner. Theodore B. Olson, a former U.S. solicitor general, is a partner of the law firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher.
"Twenty years ago, we represented the opposing sides in Bush v. Gore. We still don’t agree about how the Supreme Court ruled, but we completely agree that nothing in that case — or in the Supreme Court’s decision — supports the challenges now being thrown about in an attempt to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.
Yet, over the past week, we have heard repeated assertions that the outcome of this election is somehow in doubt, as it was in 2000.
It is not. Biden will be president. There are many areas of policy on which we disagree. But no matter how you voted in this election, that is the clear outcome. The nation’s laws and shared values dictate that Americans now unite to support democracy, national security, the public trust in institutions and the urgent work of the next administration.
It is also important for the public to understand why 2020 bears no resemblance to 2000.
The presidential-election controversies currently playing out in various parts of the country are not repeats of Bush v. Gore.
That case involved the agonizingly close election in a single state, Florida, the outcome of which was to be decisive in the election for president that year. A mere 500 or so votes separated candidates George W. Bush and Al Gore. The Supreme Court ultimately concluded that there were separate and conflicting vote-counting standards in different parts of Florida that violated the Constitution. The justices halted a late Florida Supreme Court order for a statewide recount.
That decision should have no bearing on the suits pending in several states. The litigation will serve only to delay the inevitable resolution of this year’s presidential election.
It is clear to us, and by now to most Americans, that former vice president Biden won, including in the six states central to the challenges being mounted by President Trump’s lawyers.
The margins in those six states range from 10,000 votes in Arizona to more than 145,000 votes in Michigan. Evidence of systemic or widespread fraud or miscounting in those states has simply not been found, and recounts rarely, if ever, change the outcome of elections by more than a few hundred votes.
Trump would have to overturn the outcome in more than one of those states to change what is apparent as the clear result of the election. It is time to accept that Biden won the election and it is time to accept that result and come together as a nation.
We might not agree completely on the widespread use of mail-in ballots, or the expansion of the election from one day into several weeks, but these are matters largely left by the Constitution to individual states. Those issues can be addressed by the states and Congress, if appropriate, at some time in the future.
Many state legislatures, red and blue and purple alike, chose to make mail-in ballots widely available to their voters. State supreme courts, which have the responsibility to interpret state law, have upheld those decisions.
There is no plausible legal basis for federal courts to revisit this decision by state legislators — particularly after the election is over and voters have relied on existing state law when choosing how to vote.
Nor is there any plausible basis to allege fraud in the casting or counting of ballots that could conceivably affect the outcome of the election. Across the country, secretaries of state and citizen volunteers worked tirelessly and conscientiously to count all legal votes fairly. They deserve praise and gratitude, not to be the targets of unsupported attacks on their integrity.
The idea that the Republican secretary of state of Georgia was party to a vast conspiracy spanning different states across the country to fraudulently elect the Democratic presidential candidate is ludicrous. It is also wrong.
We do not agree with those who demonize lawyers for taking election cases to court; court is where election disputes must be decided, not in the streets or on social media. Nor do we agree with those who demonize lawyers representing unpopular clients; lawyers’ willingness to represent clients the public despises is a bedrock of the American system of justice.
Political candidates, however, have an obligation not to inflame passions and undermine the public’s faith in democracy with unsupported charges of fraud and malfeasance. And the lawyers who represent those candidates have an obligation to the courts, of which they are officers, not to make frivolous claims or arguments.
Past losers of presidential elections, however stinging their defeats, have ultimately decided to make peace with the opposing camp. Former vice president Gore did so, admirably, when Bush v. Gore was resolved. The sooner that Trump and his supporters accept the election result, the better it will be for the nation."
David Boies is chairman of the law firm Boies, Schiller & Flexner. Theodore B. Olson, a former U.S. solicitor general, is a partner of the law firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher.
"Twenty years ago, we represented the opposing sides in Bush v. Gore. We still don’t agree about how the Supreme Court ruled, but we completely agree that nothing in that case — or in the Supreme Court’s decision — supports the challenges now being thrown about in an attempt to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.
Yet, over the past week, we have heard repeated assertions that the outcome of this election is somehow in doubt, as it was in 2000.
It is not. Biden will be president. There are many areas of policy on which we disagree. But no matter how you voted in this election, that is the clear outcome. The nation’s laws and shared values dictate that Americans now unite to support democracy, national security, the public trust in institutions and the urgent work of the next administration.
It is also important for the public to understand why 2020 bears no resemblance to 2000.
The presidential-election controversies currently playing out in various parts of the country are not repeats of Bush v. Gore.
That case involved the agonizingly close election in a single state, Florida, the outcome of which was to be decisive in the election for president that year. A mere 500 or so votes separated candidates George W. Bush and Al Gore. The Supreme Court ultimately concluded that there were separate and conflicting vote-counting standards in different parts of Florida that violated the Constitution. The justices halted a late Florida Supreme Court order for a statewide recount.
That decision should have no bearing on the suits pending in several states. The litigation will serve only to delay the inevitable resolution of this year’s presidential election.
It is clear to us, and by now to most Americans, that former vice president Biden won, including in the six states central to the challenges being mounted by President Trump’s lawyers.
The margins in those six states range from 10,000 votes in Arizona to more than 145,000 votes in Michigan. Evidence of systemic or widespread fraud or miscounting in those states has simply not been found, and recounts rarely, if ever, change the outcome of elections by more than a few hundred votes.
Trump would have to overturn the outcome in more than one of those states to change what is apparent as the clear result of the election. It is time to accept that Biden won the election and it is time to accept that result and come together as a nation.
We might not agree completely on the widespread use of mail-in ballots, or the expansion of the election from one day into several weeks, but these are matters largely left by the Constitution to individual states. Those issues can be addressed by the states and Congress, if appropriate, at some time in the future.
Many state legislatures, red and blue and purple alike, chose to make mail-in ballots widely available to their voters. State supreme courts, which have the responsibility to interpret state law, have upheld those decisions.
There is no plausible legal basis for federal courts to revisit this decision by state legislators — particularly after the election is over and voters have relied on existing state law when choosing how to vote.
Nor is there any plausible basis to allege fraud in the casting or counting of ballots that could conceivably affect the outcome of the election. Across the country, secretaries of state and citizen volunteers worked tirelessly and conscientiously to count all legal votes fairly. They deserve praise and gratitude, not to be the targets of unsupported attacks on their integrity.
The idea that the Republican secretary of state of Georgia was party to a vast conspiracy spanning different states across the country to fraudulently elect the Democratic presidential candidate is ludicrous. It is also wrong.
We do not agree with those who demonize lawyers for taking election cases to court; court is where election disputes must be decided, not in the streets or on social media. Nor do we agree with those who demonize lawyers representing unpopular clients; lawyers’ willingness to represent clients the public despises is a bedrock of the American system of justice.
Political candidates, however, have an obligation not to inflame passions and undermine the public’s faith in democracy with unsupported charges of fraud and malfeasance. And the lawyers who represent those candidates have an obligation to the courts, of which they are officers, not to make frivolous claims or arguments.
Past losers of presidential elections, however stinging their defeats, have ultimately decided to make peace with the opposing camp. Former vice president Gore did so, admirably, when Bush v. Gore was resolved. The sooner that Trump and his supporters accept the election result, the better it will be for the nation."
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Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED
Trump First is the motto of his devotees.seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:25 pm https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
David Boies is chairman of the law firm Boies, Schiller & Flexner. Theodore B. Olson, a former U.S. solicitor general, is a partner of the law firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher.
"Twenty years ago, we represented the opposing sides in Bush v. Gore. We still don’t agree about how the Supreme Court ruled, but we completely agree that nothing in that case — or in the Supreme Court’s decision — supports the challenges now being thrown about in an attempt to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.
Yet, over the past week, we have heard repeated assertions that the outcome of this election is somehow in doubt, as it was in 2000.
It is not. Biden will be president. There are many areas of policy on which we disagree. But no matter how you voted in this election, that is the clear outcome. The nation’s laws and shared values dictate that Americans now unite to support democracy, national security, the public trust in institutions and the urgent work of the next administration.
It is also important for the public to understand why 2020 bears no resemblance to 2000.
The presidential-election controversies currently playing out in various parts of the country are not repeats of Bush v. Gore.
That case involved the agonizingly close election in a single state, Florida, the outcome of which was to be decisive in the election for president that year. A mere 500 or so votes separated candidates George W. Bush and Al Gore. The Supreme Court ultimately concluded that there were separate and conflicting vote-counting standards in different parts of Florida that violated the Constitution. The justices halted a late Florida Supreme Court order for a statewide recount.
That decision should have no bearing on the suits pending in several states. The litigation will serve only to delay the inevitable resolution of this year’s presidential election.
It is clear to us, and by now to most Americans, that former vice president Biden won, including in the six states central to the challenges being mounted by President Trump’s lawyers.
The margins in those six states range from 10,000 votes in Arizona to more than 145,000 votes in Michigan. Evidence of systemic or widespread fraud or miscounting in those states has simply not been found, and recounts rarely, if ever, change the outcome of elections by more than a few hundred votes.
Trump would have to overturn the outcome in more than one of those states to change what is apparent as the clear result of the election. It is time to accept that Biden won the election and it is time to accept that result and come together as a nation.
We might not agree completely on the widespread use of mail-in ballots, or the expansion of the election from one day into several weeks, but these are matters largely left by the Constitution to individual states. Those issues can be addressed by the states and Congress, if appropriate, at some time in the future.
Many state legislatures, red and blue and purple alike, chose to make mail-in ballots widely available to their voters. State supreme courts, which have the responsibility to interpret state law, have upheld those decisions.
There is no plausible legal basis for federal courts to revisit this decision by state legislators — particularly after the election is over and voters have relied on existing state law when choosing how to vote.
Nor is there any plausible basis to allege fraud in the casting or counting of ballots that could conceivably affect the outcome of the election. Across the country, secretaries of state and citizen volunteers worked tirelessly and conscientiously to count all legal votes fairly. They deserve praise and gratitude, not to be the targets of unsupported attacks on their integrity.
The idea that the Republican secretary of state of Georgia was party to a vast conspiracy spanning different states across the country to fraudulently elect the Democratic presidential candidate is ludicrous. It is also wrong.
We do not agree with those who demonize lawyers for taking election cases to court; court is where election disputes must be decided, not in the streets or on social media. Nor do we agree with those who demonize lawyers representing unpopular clients; lawyers’ willingness to represent clients the public despises is a bedrock of the American system of justice.
Political candidates, however, have an obligation not to inflame passions and undermine the public’s faith in democracy with unsupported charges of fraud and malfeasance. And the lawyers who represent those candidates have an obligation to the courts, of which they are officers, not to make frivolous claims or arguments.
Past losers of presidential elections, however stinging their defeats, have ultimately decided to make peace with the opposing camp. Former vice president Gore did so, admirably, when Bush v. Gore was resolved. The sooner that Trump and his supporters accept the election result, the better it will be for the nation."
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In 2000, you had David Boies and Ted Olson representing Gore and Bush, respectively. If you asked an attorney who the two best lawyers in America are, many would say Olson and Boies.
A gig like 2000 is hands down the most prestigious and famous representation any lawyer/law firm could ever hope to have in their life. Bush's legal team in 2000 featured, among others, three future Supreme Court Justices -- Roberts, Kavanaugh and Barrett.
In 2020, you have Trump's lawyers firing a sitting president as a client. That is simply beyond unbelievable. So the only lawyers willing to rep the president are Wacky Rudy (fresh from a Borat movie and Four Seasons Landscaping) and this even crazier gal -- Sidney Powell (Mike Flynn's second counsel). Powell's legal strategy? "Release the Cracken!" That's a direct quote fyi.
This segment between Lou Dobbs and Powell turns the cray cray up to 11. Pick it up at the 1:30 mark. Holy Toledo -- Goebbels couldn't do better.
History first is tragedy, then it ends in farce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFCXPw1t17o
But, of course, Trump is within his rights....
A gig like 2000 is hands down the most prestigious and famous representation any lawyer/law firm could ever hope to have in their life. Bush's legal team in 2000 featured, among others, three future Supreme Court Justices -- Roberts, Kavanaugh and Barrett.
In 2020, you have Trump's lawyers firing a sitting president as a client. That is simply beyond unbelievable. So the only lawyers willing to rep the president are Wacky Rudy (fresh from a Borat movie and Four Seasons Landscaping) and this even crazier gal -- Sidney Powell (Mike Flynn's second counsel). Powell's legal strategy? "Release the Cracken!" That's a direct quote fyi.
This segment between Lou Dobbs and Powell turns the cray cray up to 11. Pick it up at the 1:30 mark. Holy Toledo -- Goebbels couldn't do better.
History first is tragedy, then it ends in farce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFCXPw1t17o
But, of course, Trump is within his rights....
Boycott stupid. Country over party.
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Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED
Sid is doing a solicitation. Remarkable. These people are just undermining democracy.ggait wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:39 pm In 2000, you had David Boies and Ted Olson representing Gore and Bush, respectively. If you asked an attorney who the two best lawyers in America are, many would say Olson and Boies.
A gig like 2000 is hands down the most prestigious and famous representation any lawyer/law firm could ever hope to have in their life. Bush's legal team in 2000 featured, among others, three future Supreme Court Justices -- Roberts, Kavanaugh and Barrett.
In 2020, you have Trump's lawyers firing a sitting president as a client. That is simply beyond unbelievable. So the only lawyers willing to rep the president are Wacky Rudy (fresh from a Borat movie and Four Seasons Landscaping) and this even crazier gal -- Sidney Powell (Mike Flynn's second counsel). Powell's legal strategy? "Release the Cracken!" That's a direct quote fyi.
This segment between Lou Dobbs and Powell turns the cray cray up to 11. Pick it up at the 1:30 mark. Holy Toledo -- Goebbels couldn't do better.
History first is tragedy, then it ends in farce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFCXPw1t17o
But, of course, Trump is within his rights....
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Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED
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Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED
seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:00 pm The uninformed Mob descends on Washington.
“We feel bad for you that you can’t see the truth,” she said.
“I feel the same way about you,” he replied."
SO that's the truth you took from yesterdays rally. They were all uninformed racists and loons.
We feel bad for you.
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"They were all uninformed racists and loons."6ftstick wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:01 amseacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:00 pm The uninformed Mob descends on Washington.
“We feel bad for you that you can’t see the truth,” she said.
“I feel the same way about you,” he replied."
SO that's the truth you took from yesterdays rally. They were all uninformed racists and loons.
We feel bad for you.
This is getting too confusing, I thought this was how we defined the ANTIFA mob? The only difference is one side wants to beat you up out of hate. The other mob wants to beat you up out of love.
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I doubt you feel bad for me. Your heroes on Fox were airing some astonishingly irresponsible stuff yesterday/last night, with interview after interview of evidence-free assertions of vote fraud. Gym "The Watcher" Jordan saying it just doesn't feel right. Sid Powell saying she's investigating Dominion and that the state legislatures should essentially nullify the election. Do you folks have any shame? Why does the Right hate this country?6ftstick wrote: ↑Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:01 amseacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:00 pm The uninformed Mob descends on Washington.
“We feel bad for you that you can’t see the truth,” she said.
“I feel the same way about you,” he replied."
SO that's the truth you took from yesterdays rally. They were all uninformed racists and loons.
We feel bad for you.
Samples:
Powell:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1327802982130446337
The Gerrymandered Wrestler:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1327800666778185734
Another:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1327799246146433036
Do you not see how really irresponsible and reckless and dangerous this is?
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Re: 2020 Elections - Donald Trump FIRED
Go out on a limb here for a minute, and assume that Side is blathering without any basis for the things she is saying. Why is she doing this?
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1327995620347535360
Good summary by Tapper on SOTU (waring: it's a little boring because he sticks to facts):
https://twitter.com/CNNSotu/status/1327993975408648192
Why do Republicans in Congress say nothing when they certainly know that the President's claims are not merely baseless, but mendacious and crazy? Maybe because none of them, now with their party occupied by crazies in droves, can afford to gainsay the crazy that their party has become.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1327995620347535360
Good summary by Tapper on SOTU (waring: it's a little boring because he sticks to facts):
https://twitter.com/CNNSotu/status/1327993975408648192
Why do Republicans in Congress say nothing when they certainly know that the President's claims are not merely baseless, but mendacious and crazy? Maybe because none of them, now with their party occupied by crazies in droves, can afford to gainsay the crazy that their party has become.