All things CoronaVirus

[foreverlax]

This 2nd wave of the virus is making Biden's contention that it was Trump's fault look pretty ridiculous. :

Not sure there is any logic present in that statement. The point is because we did not do enough to beat down the numbers to very low, we now have a completely widespread pandemic that is at this point out of control.

Abdication by Trump for leading an effective response remains a huge contribution to the problem, and the fact that the feds have not actually solved some of the PPE supply problem likely means this winter will be horrible for COVID cases/deaths.

And as far as anyone can tell, the coronavirus task force is not even meeting anymore...

They met Monday. Issued no statement or information. Chairman VP Pence left for vacation Tuesday.

Cooter, you didn't actually believe that statement did you?

I definitely believe it.
It is you who read the mainstream press who have been hoodwinked.

Yea!!! F the quarter million dead and the 10s of thousands who have battled it.

You and Alitao.....his "right" to go to church is not more important than not infecting society, since he actually has no "right" to go to church...since no "right" in the Constitution is absolute.

[cradleandshoot]

This 2nd wave of the virus is making Biden's contention that it was Trump's fault look pretty ridiculous. :

Not sure there is any logic present in that statement. The point is because we did not do enough to beat down the numbers to very low, we now have a completely widespread pandemic that is at this point out of control.

Abdication by Trump for leading an effective response remains a huge contribution to the problem, and the fact that the feds have not actually solved some of the PPE supply problem likely means this winter will be horrible for COVID cases/deaths.

And as far as anyone can tell, the coronavirus task force is not even meeting anymore...

Here is King Andy's solution here in NYS. All bars and restaurants must shut down by 10pm every night. That is when the young people leave those establishments pick up 6 packs to go and maybe some weed and proceed to the "private parties" at their friends house and party the night away. Instead of drinking in establishments that are using strict protocols King Andy is forcing the parties where there are no guidlines, no masks and no social distancing. When the numbers sky rocket every body scratches their heads and wonders why. Next step is to shutdown those bars and restaurants at 8pm, that will work...

[Typical Lax Dad]

This 2nd wave of the virus is making Biden's contention that it was Trump's fault look pretty ridiculous. :

Not sure there is any logic present in that statement. The point is because we did not do enough to beat down the numbers to very low, we now have a completely widespread pandemic that is at this point out of control.

Abdication by Trump for leading an effective response remains a huge contribution to the problem, and the fact that the feds have not actually solved some of the PPE supply problem likely means this winter will be horrible for COVID cases/deaths.

And as far as anyone can tell, the coronavirus task force is not even meeting anymore...

Here is King Andy's solution here in NYS. All bars and restaurants must shut down by 10pm every night. That is when the young people leave those establishments pick up 6 packs to go and maybe some weed and proceed to the "private parties" at their friends house and party the night away. Instead of drinking in establishments that are using strict protocols King Andy is forcing the parties where there are no guidlines, no masks and no social distancing. When the numbers sky rocket every body scratches their heads and wonders why. Next step is to shutdown those bars and restaurants at 8pm, that will work...

The numbers skyrocketed the last time bars and restaurants were shutdown. You seem like “the kids can drink in my basement” type.

[cradleandshoot]

This 2nd wave of the virus is making Biden's contention that it was Trump's fault look pretty ridiculous. :

Not sure there is any logic present in that statement. The point is because we did not do enough to beat down the numbers to very low, we now have a completely widespread pandemic that is at this point out of control.

Abdication by Trump for leading an effective response remains a huge contribution to the problem, and the fact that the feds have not actually solved some of the PPE supply problem likely means this winter will be horrible for COVID cases/deaths.

And as far as anyone can tell, the coronavirus task force is not even meeting anymore...

Here is King Andy's solution here in NYS. All bars and restaurants must shut down by 10pm every night. That is when the young people leave those establishments pick up 6 packs to go and maybe some weed and proceed to the "private parties" at their friends house and party the night away. Instead of drinking in establishments that are using strict protocols King Andy is forcing the parties where there are no guidlines, no masks and no social distancing. When the numbers sky rocket every body scratches their heads and wonders why. Next step is to shutdown those bars and restaurants at 8pm, that will work...

The numbers skyrocketed the last time bars and restaurants were shutdown. You seem like “the kids can drink in my basement” type.

No, not in my basement. I admit when i was 19 years old closing time at the saloon did not mean it was time to go home. We actually use to grab 6 packs for the road and drive from Rochester to Buffalo to a place called Mulligans Brick Bar. They stayed opened until 4am. I am embarrassed to admit how stupid I was back then. There would be 6 packs to go on the ride back to Rochester and would usually stop at Perkins where we worked for breakfast. Bedtime was maybe 8am. i don't have any answers but i sure as hell know how stupid many 19 year old kids can be.

[RedFromMI]

‘No One Is Listening to Us’
More people than ever are hospitalized with COVID-19. Health-care workers can’t go on like this.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... rs/617091/

On Saturday morning, Megan Ranney was about to put on her scrubs when she heard that Joe Biden had won the presidential election. That day, she treated people with COVID-19 while street parties erupted around the country. She was still in the ER in the late evening when Biden and Vice President–elect Kamala Harris made their victory speeches. These days, her shifts at Rhode Island Hospital are long, and they “are not going to change in the next 73 days,” before Biden becomes president, she told me on Monday. Every time Ranney returns to the hospital, there are more COVID-19 patients.

In the months since March, many Americans have habituated to the horrors of the pandemic. They process the election’s ramifications. They plan for the holidays. But health-care workers do not have the luxury of looking away: They’re facing a third pandemic surge that is bigger and broader than the previous two. In the U.S., states now report more people in the hospital with COVID-19 than at any other point this year—and 40 percent more than just two weeks ago.

Emergency rooms are starting to fill again with COVID-19 patients. Utah, where Nathan Hatton is a pulmonary specialist at the University of Utah Hospital, is currently reporting 2,500 confirmed cases a day, roughly four times its summer peak. Hatton says that his intensive-care unit is housing twice as many patients as it normally does. His shifts usually last 12 to 24 hours, but can stretch to 36. “There are times I’ll come in in the morning, see patients, work that night, work all the next day, and then go home,” he told me. I asked him how many such shifts he has had to do. “Too many,” he said.

Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds. Some health-care workers told me that COVID-19 patients are the sickest people they’ve ever cared for: They require twice as much attention as a typical intensive-care-unit patient, for three times the normal length of stay. “It was doable over the summer, but now it’s just too much,” says Whitney Neville, a nurse based in Iowa. “Last Monday we had 25 patients waiting in the emergency department. They had been admitted but there was no one to take care of them.” I asked her how much slack the system has left. “There is none,” she said.

The entire state of Iowa is now out of staffed beds, Eli Perencevich, an infectious-disease doctor at the University of Iowa, told me. Worse is coming. Iowa is accumulating more than 3,600 confirmed cases every day; relative to its population, that’s more than twice the rate Arizona experienced during its summer peak, “when their system was near collapse,” Perencevich said. With only lax policies in place, those cases will continue to rise. Hospitalizations lag behind cases by about two weeks; by Thanksgiving, today’s soaring cases will be overwhelming hospitals that already cannot cope. “The wave hasn’t even crashed down on us yet,” Perencevich said. “It keeps rising and rising, and we’re all running on fear. The health-care system in Iowa is going to collapse, no question.”

In the imminent future, patients will start to die because there simply aren’t enough people to care for them. Doctors and nurses will burn out. The most precious resource the U.S. health-care system has in the struggle against COVID-19 isn’t some miracle drug. It’s the expertise of its health-care workers—and they are exhausted.

There is no slack left in the system - and the numbers in the US just keep rising. And preciously little is being done at the federal level other than wait on vaccines (which won't help for months)...

[RedFromMI]

From NBC News:

US coronavirus cases for each day in November:

Nov. 1: 76,771
Nov. 2: 86,589
Nov. 3: 91,910
Nov. 4: 104,296
Nov. 5: 121,289
Nov. 6: 126,731
Nov. 7: 125,100
Nov. 8: 109,177
Nov. 9: 133,819
Nov. 10: 131,990
Nov. 11: 148,302
Nov. 12: 161,651

As you can see, it is just disappearing after the election...

[RedFromMI]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

More than 130 Secret Service officers are said to be infected with coronavirus or quarantining in wake of Trump’s campaign travel

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

More than 130 Secret Service officers are said to be infected with coronavirus or quarantining in wake of Trump’s campaign travel

It is a hoax

[njbill]

Chairman VP Pence left for vacation Tuesday.

That is so irresponsible of him. Shouldn’t he be working on transitioning to the second Trump administration?

[Cooter]

From NBC News:

US coronavirus cases for each day in November:

Nov. 1: 76,771
Nov. 2: 86,589
Nov. 3: 91,910
Nov. 4: 104,296
Nov. 5: 121,289
Nov. 6: 126,731
Nov. 7: 125,100
Nov. 8: 109,177
Nov. 9: 133,819
Nov. 10: 131,990
Nov. 11: 148,302
Nov. 12: 161,651

As you can see, it is just disappearing after the election...

All those Biden victory celebrations.
Super spreader events!

[wgdsr]

on the temporary good news front... bc it's all good news and i'm nothing but optimistic... collective europe case marks have stalled for a week or 2. @ about 180k us equivalent. a number of places were higher of course, others lower, and a number of the high case counts have flatlined for a bit or come down (while others rise).

on the continent, they have stopped growing exponentially. maybe lockdown/measures, fear, behavior, hospital stretch begets action... impossible to know where our peak will come, but good to see they have stalled. for now.

[jhu72]

From NBC News:

US coronavirus cases for each day in November:

Nov. 1: 76,771
Nov. 2: 86,589
Nov. 3: 91,910
Nov. 4: 104,296
Nov. 5: 121,289
Nov. 6: 126,731
Nov. 7: 125,100
Nov. 8: 109,177
Nov. 9: 133,819
Nov. 10: 131,990
Nov. 11: 148,302
Nov. 12: 161,651

As you can see, it is just disappearing after the election...

... don't worry, it is just a democrat hoax.

[jhu72]

‘No One Is Listening to Us’
More people than ever are hospitalized with COVID-19. Health-care workers can’t go on like this.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... rs/617091/

On Saturday morning, Megan Ranney was about to put on her scrubs when she heard that Joe Biden had won the presidential election. That day, she treated people with COVID-19 while street parties erupted around the country. She was still in the ER in the late evening when Biden and Vice President–elect Kamala Harris made their victory speeches. These days, her shifts at Rhode Island Hospital are long, and they “are not going to change in the next 73 days,” before Biden becomes president, she told me on Monday. Every time Ranney returns to the hospital, there are more COVID-19 patients.

In the months since March, many Americans have habituated to the horrors of the pandemic. They process the election’s ramifications. They plan for the holidays. But health-care workers do not have the luxury of looking away: They’re facing a third pandemic surge that is bigger and broader than the previous two. In the U.S., states now report more people in the hospital with COVID-19 than at any other point this year—and 40 percent more than just two weeks ago.

Emergency rooms are starting to fill again with COVID-19 patients. Utah, where Nathan Hatton is a pulmonary specialist at the University of Utah Hospital, is currently reporting 2,500 confirmed cases a day, roughly four times its summer peak. Hatton says that his intensive-care unit is housing twice as many patients as it normally does. His shifts usually last 12 to 24 hours, but can stretch to 36. “There are times I’ll come in in the morning, see patients, work that night, work all the next day, and then go home,” he told me. I asked him how many such shifts he has had to do. “Too many,” he said.

Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds. Some health-care workers told me that COVID-19 patients are the sickest people they’ve ever cared for: They require twice as much attention as a typical intensive-care-unit patient, for three times the normal length of stay. “It was doable over the summer, but now it’s just too much,” says Whitney Neville, a nurse based in Iowa. “Last Monday we had 25 patients waiting in the emergency department. They had been admitted but there was no one to take care of them.” I asked her how much slack the system has left. “There is none,” she said.

The entire state of Iowa is now out of staffed beds, Eli Perencevich, an infectious-disease doctor at the University of Iowa, told me. Worse is coming. Iowa is accumulating more than 3,600 confirmed cases every day; relative to its population, that’s more than twice the rate Arizona experienced during its summer peak, “when their system was near collapse,” Perencevich said. With only lax policies in place, those cases will continue to rise. Hospitalizations lag behind cases by about two weeks; by Thanksgiving, today’s soaring cases will be overwhelming hospitals that already cannot cope. “The wave hasn’t even crashed down on us yet,” Perencevich said. “It keeps rising and rising, and we’re all running on fear. The health-care system in Iowa is going to collapse, no question.”

In the imminent future, patients will start to die because there simply aren’t enough people to care for them. Doctors and nurses will burn out. The most precious resource the U.S. health-care system has in the struggle against COVID-19 isn’t some miracle drug. It’s the expertise of its health-care workers—and they are exhausted.

There is no slack left in the system - and the numbers in the US just keep rising. And preciously little is being done at the federal level other than wait on vaccines (which won't help for months)...

... healthcare workers I know are pissed. They need to hold a national sick out for two weeks. If the patients don't care, why should they?

[smoova]

From NBC News:

US coronavirus cases for each day in November:

Nov. 1: 76,771
Nov. 2: 86,589
Nov. 3: 91,910
Nov. 4: 104,296
Nov. 5: 121,289
Nov. 6: 126,731
Nov. 7: 125,100
Nov. 8: 109,177
Nov. 9: 133,819
Nov. 10: 131,990
Nov. 11: 148,302
Nov. 12: 161,651

As you can see, it is just disappearing after the election...

All those Biden victory celebrations.
Super spreader events!

In all the red states ...

[holmes435]

How Australia brought the coronavirus pandemic under control

"Lockdowns, contact tracing and public adherence to tough rules credited for success"

[seacoaster]

Nice work by the Trump people, again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

"More than 130 Secret Service officers who help protect the White House and the president when he travels have recently been ordered to isolate or quarantine because they tested positive for the coronavirus or had close contact with infected co-workers, according to three people familiar with agency staffing.
The virus is having a dramatic impact on the Secret Service’s presidential security unit at the same time that growing numbers of prominent Trump campaign allies and White House officials have fallen ill in the wake of campaign events, where many attendees did not wear masks.

Among those who are infected are White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and outside political advisers Corey Lewandowski and David Bossie.

In addition, at least eight staffers at the Republican National Committee, including Chief of Staff Richard Walters, have the virus, according to officials at the organization. Some of those infected are in field offices across the country, including Pennsylvania, where some believe they were exposed in large staff gatherings, an official said.

White House spokesman Judd Deere said the administration takes “every case seriously.” He referred questions about the Secret Service outbreak to agency officials. A spokeswoman for the Secret Service declined to comment.
The spread of the coronavirus — which has sidelined roughly 10 percent of the agency’s core security team — is believed to be partly linked to a series of campaign rallies that President Trump held in the weeks before the Nov. 3 election, according to the people, who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the situation.

The outbreak comes as coronavirus cases have been rapidly rising across the nation, with more than 152,000 new cases reported Thursday."

[a fan]

‘No One Is Listening to Us’
More people than ever are hospitalized with COVID-19. Health-care workers can’t go on like this.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... rs/617091/

On Saturday morning, Megan Ranney was about to put on her scrubs when she heard that Joe Biden had won the presidential election. That day, she treated people with COVID-19 while street parties erupted around the country. She was still in the ER in the late evening when Biden and Vice President–elect Kamala Harris made their victory speeches. These days, her shifts at Rhode Island Hospital are long, and they “are not going to change in the next 73 days,” before Biden becomes president, she told me on Monday. Every time Ranney returns to the hospital, there are more COVID-19 patients.

In the months since March, many Americans have habituated to the horrors of the pandemic. They process the election’s ramifications. They plan for the holidays. But health-care workers do not have the luxury of looking away: They’re facing a third pandemic surge that is bigger and broader than the previous two. In the U.S., states now report more people in the hospital with COVID-19 than at any other point this year—and 40 percent more than just two weeks ago.

Emergency rooms are starting to fill again with COVID-19 patients. Utah, where Nathan Hatton is a pulmonary specialist at the University of Utah Hospital, is currently reporting 2,500 confirmed cases a day, roughly four times its summer peak. Hatton says that his intensive-care unit is housing twice as many patients as it normally does. His shifts usually last 12 to 24 hours, but can stretch to 36. “There are times I’ll come in in the morning, see patients, work that night, work all the next day, and then go home,” he told me. I asked him how many such shifts he has had to do. “Too many,” he said.

Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds. Some health-care workers told me that COVID-19 patients are the sickest people they’ve ever cared for: They require twice as much attention as a typical intensive-care-unit patient, for three times the normal length of stay. “It was doable over the summer, but now it’s just too much,” says Whitney Neville, a nurse based in Iowa. “Last Monday we had 25 patients waiting in the emergency department. They had been admitted but there was no one to take care of them.” I asked her how much slack the system has left. “There is none,” she said.

The entire state of Iowa is now out of staffed beds, Eli Perencevich, an infectious-disease doctor at the University of Iowa, told me. Worse is coming. Iowa is accumulating more than 3,600 confirmed cases every day; relative to its population, that’s more than twice the rate Arizona experienced during its summer peak, “when their system was near collapse,” Perencevich said. With only lax policies in place, those cases will continue to rise. Hospitalizations lag behind cases by about two weeks; by Thanksgiving, today’s soaring cases will be overwhelming hospitals that already cannot cope. “The wave hasn’t even crashed down on us yet,” Perencevich said. “It keeps rising and rising, and we’re all running on fear. The health-care system in Iowa is going to collapse, no question.”

In the imminent future, patients will start to die because there simply aren’t enough people to care for them. Doctors and nurses will burn out. The most precious resource the U.S. health-care system has in the struggle against COVID-19 isn’t some miracle drug. It’s the expertise of its health-care workers—and they are exhausted.

There is no slack left in the system - and the numbers in the US just keep rising. And preciously little is being done at the federal level other than wait on vaccines (which won't help for months)...

... healthcare workers I know are ticked. They need to hold a national sick out for two weeks. If the patients don't care, why should they?

Meh. That's just fear porn. F them, right?

Oh, and these States don't need Federal funding. Let them go it on their own. Because government is bad.

Happy, TrumpFans?

[youthathletics]

Meh. That's just fear porn. F them, right?

Oh, and these States don't need Federal funding. Let them go it on their own. Because government is bad.

Happy, TrumpFans?

If that were the case, only little d's would be getting sick....pardon the pun.

[old salt]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

More than 130 Secret Service officers are said to be infected with coronavirus or quarantining in wake of Trump’s campaign travel

That's a good sized immune herd to draw from for protective details, ....& growing every day.

I'll be interested to learn what % of the TR crew returned from cruise with antibodies.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

More than 130 Secret Service officers are said to be infected with coronavirus or quarantining in wake of Trump’s campaign travel

That's a good sized immune herd to draw from for protective details, ....& growing every day.

I'll be interested to learn what % of the TR crew returned from cruise with antibodies.

Should help the Biden - Harris administration.