Has any slave?cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:54 amNo unborn baby has ever had the right to choose or deny its own destruction.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:47 amslaves weren't imaginary. And did they have a voice?kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:06 amIn this case the 600,000K+ aborted children per year don't have a voice. You care about imaginary slaves in your strawman scenario, why not real children in utero that are dismembered and vacuumed out each year?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:03 amSure, and by your logic slavery could become 'popular' again too if implemented for 40-50 years. After all, only the slaves would have an issue with it.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:27 pm Possible, but I'd be interested in seeing your source for those numbers. And of course, public opinion can swing wildly, especially when things change in the laws or courts. Just as public opinion has swung in favor of abortions, since reo v wade, the opposite could occur if it is overturned for a similar 40-50 yr stretch.
You are a member of the party who pounds the table for real facts. Why so touchy about these?
Everyone knows why.
Talk about an "Inconvenient Truth."
I'm simply piercing the specious logic you presented that public opinion might change if abortions were outlawed for 40-50 years. That was your point.
It's poor logic on its face, as of course the uproar would be overwhelming right away, there's no going back to slavery nor to 100% outlawed abortions. It's possible that will be tested in the coming years, but it's not going to stand.
BTW, public opinion has never swung "in favor of abortions". No one wants more abortions. People want less abortions.
They just want it less without restricting a woman's right to make that choice for herself and her fetus. Sex education, birth control, financial support for mothers in difficult situations, etc. These work to reduce abortions...do more.
That's certainly the case for groups like Planned Parenthood. They want every baby born to be a planned and wanted opportunity and most of their actual clinical work is with birth control and prenatal care, not abortions. Their advocacy work, however, is forced to be focused on defending Choice. I find some of that advocacy to be 'extreme' at times but that's in the face of very extreme views attacking Choice.
R. C. Sproul
Feel better now MD?
That was my only point, the specious logic of the point being made about public opinion.