No doubt Perdue is weak as I've mentioned before. I just think it takes more to displace an incumbent in this state notwithstanding the fact that Trump made his own bed even in this state of Ga. I don't know how my more full blooded hardcore right friends down here justified or defended Perdue bailing on the second debate as that was pathetic from a bunch of folks that rock "Go Dawgs", "I've got my guns (even if I would shrivel and freeze in fear of using them in a split second dangerous situation)", "I'm a man" facade of an ethos. It's a real bad look.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 1:35 pmOk, so not a proven strong candidate, went negative in his ads. No big disqualifying negative though...feels like Perdue has some such to me. And he's going to need to do a debate or two and the last was a disaster fro him...a lot of attention will be on that. and if he wimps out again, how will that actually play?Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:59 pmHe's a decent local mouthpiece to discuss the symptoms, but not that skilled or articulate and breaking down the true causes and a plan to fix those structurally. Already lost when he had national dough and backing which is pretty damning. Not a comprehensive candidate and plays more to the extreme generally, was happy to get down in the mud and the ads were nearly as repulsive and trashy as Perdues. It would be a mistake to think this election means a run of blue in Ga, once again look at Marjorie Greene. Anecdotal, but there's a lot of native and transplant center right and independents who turned out against Trump that probably won't bother whereas the (overrated but laudable) efforts of Abrams pulls in more further left voters but does nothing for that middle. Perdue is really weak as well so maybe Ossof pulls it off but he's pretty underwhelming if you put him up against a platonic ideal type of candidate. I voted for my dog and daughter in the two senate races and I suspect a lot of center right folks that are responsible for swinging the presidential may go red just because but we will see. Just think you need a more positive, forward looking candidate who won't offend that Georgia centrist type which is different than a massachussets centrist as you might imagine.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:29 amfar, I'm not up to speed on Ossoff, have only caught him on friendly media and various clips of his debate with Perdue.Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:55 amPerdue is really weak, but so is Ossof and the nature of the three way on the other seat just leaves me struggling to believe they take both. Put odds it's equally likely both stay Rep though a split seems most likely to me from boots on the ground here. Live in a "hippy" neighborhood but expensive so not really hippies (which to their credit they'd acknowledge when buy in on a 1,400sq. ft. A Frame is north of $500k and they send their kids to a nearby private school called Padaiea) but surrounded even in the city by plenty of strident Reps, even ones who would tell you they aren't proud of their leadership but arent yet ready to break ranks out of fear of a Warren Sec of Treasury or Sanders running the Dept of Labor.RedFromMI wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:22 amStill a chance in the Senate with both GA senate races going to runoffs, and the current occupants not exactly the best people. Quite the longshot, but there is going to be a lot of attention on these races in a state that is going to be a squeaker for Biden. And a sh!tload of money.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:07 amToo bad he won't have the senate. This is the best outcome the republicans could have ever asked for. This is the best outcome America could ever have asked for. What is Joes plan now that he has been punched in the face? The democrats are losing the one thing they had to have... 100% control of the government.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:39 am Joe Biden will be the President-Elect within several hours.
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All about the participation in a runoff...
What makes Ossoff really weak? serious question, no issue.
I'm wondering what a Stacy Abrams registration and turnout machine does over next 2 months versus a no-Trump turnout machine. What will be the impact of Trump's whining and flailing as he contests the results of the election? What will be the impact of Biden announcing a moderate set of cabinet picks? And what impact will Covid's continued spread be on perceptions of Perdue and Loeffler?
Loeffler was swinging from Trumps nuts the last six mo, but that really had more to do with the opposition from Doug Collins than who she is. A buckhead, Maga poseur who married the CEO of ICE/now NYSE (she was a marketing person there, no one ever questions that even though ICE was public when he was dropping it like its hot on her) and threw his money around for years in the local republican scene (helped Kemp tremendously over the years). She was trying to outflank Collins as we knew that would be a runoff and it was a matter of who'd go against Warnock in the runoff - Loeffler or Collins, the former having the support of the Governor. I suspect you'll see her pivot center and even though Warnock is a tougher out, IMO, than Ossof, between the two it's hard to see both going blue. You never saw her in a flannel shirt until the second half of 2020 I assure you, certainly not sitting courtside as an owner of the WNBA team (who's personnel/players want her gone so badly they can taste it), it was business suits and shiek skinny tall chick stuff from Phipps Plaza.
Seems to me that this is all a turnout question...most voters won't normally bother to vote, more will vote than usual, but you're right, some won't bother. The question is who will bother. That's where the Abrams machine on the ground might well have an unusual impact. Of course, that's purely speculative.
Local TV is licking their chops...imagine being a sales guy, you're making your year all at once!
I do think too much is made of Stacey Abrams ground machine, so to speak though. There's a lot of mythology in that from the outside world. Nice lady, good cause, but her actual efficacy is vastly overstated on a national level. This election came down to the people on my block who might talk like a more pleasant version of AOC but who vote in between Joe Biden and Mitt Romney swinging left this time. Those same folks might easily vote for Marco Rubio over Bernie Sanders or Warren all day and night however because they have something to lose.
That's why I use roku more than cable these days.
