JUST the Stolen Documents/Mar-A-Lago/"Judge" Cannon Trial

[MDlaxfan76]

My biggest question, they had to break into our TVs with a special report to share this with us?

Gotta let people know, something "dangerous" might have been sent to 25,000 people's junk email accounts!

To let people know that there are bad people out there, foreigners! Muslims!, out to "damage" our beleaguered and beloved POTUS, who needs your votes...

To that end they can justify interrupting Mr Alex Trebek and Jeopardy

Great emoji!

[old salt]

Well done Brit explainer about the leap in jump jet technology from the Harrier to the F-35B.
The Harrier served well & our Marines will continue to operate it through 2028, in low threat environments.

The successful deployment of the F-35B on US (& S Korean, Japanese, Italian & Spanish) Amphib carriers + the Brit's 2 new light carriers), could be a game changer, especially for our allies, in helping the US project power & keep the sea lanes open.

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php ... &start=105
Italy’s Navy-Air Force tussle over the F-35 comes to a head
Italy’s planned order for 30 of the short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft is to be split by the services, with each receiving 15, in addition to the 60 F35-As ordered for the Air Force.
The Navy sees the “B” version as essential for replacing its aging AV-8 jets on its Cavour carrier, while the Air Force wants the jet for expeditionary missions overseas where it can be flown off short runways.

...with Brexit approaching, Europe will lose U.K. carriers and can only rely on France’s Charles de Gaulle and Italy’s Cavour, which hosts obsolete aircraft.”...

...The two Navy F35-Bs were sent after delivery to the United States to participate in training at Beaufort Air Base in South Carolina and are due back in Italy at the end of 2021, the defense source said. In the meantime, the Cavour was due at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland, in the United States in November to attain certification for hosting the F35-B with the help of U.S. test aircraft. The onset of the coronavirus pandemic has pushed the visit back to the spring of next year, the source said...."

[DMac]

Well done Brit explainer about the leap in jump jet technology from the Harrier to the F-35B.
The Harrier served well & our Marines will continue to operate it through 2028, in low threat environments.

The successful deployment of the F-35B on US (& S Korean, Japanese, Italian & Spanish) Amphib carriers + the Brit's 2 new light carriers), could be a game changer, especially for our allies, in helping the US project power & keep the sea lanes open.

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php ... &start=105
Italy’s Navy-Air Force tussle over the F-35 comes to a head
Italy’s planned order for 30 of the short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft is to be split by the services, with each receiving 15, in addition to the 60 F35-As ordered for the Air Force.
The Navy sees the “B” version as essential for replacing its aging AV-8 jets on its Cavour carrier, while the Air Force wants the jet for expeditionary missions overseas where it can be flown off short runways.

...with Brexit approaching, Europe will lose U.K. carriers and can only rely on France’s Charles de Gaulle and Italy’s Cavour, which hosts obsolete aircraft.”...

...The two Navy F35-Bs were sent after delivery to the United States to participate in training at Beaufort Air Base in South Carolina and are due back in Italy at the end of 2021, the defense source said. In the meantime, the Cavour was due at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland, in the United States in November to attain certification for hosting the F35-B with the help of U.S. test aircraft. The onset of the coronavirus pandemic has pushed the visit back to the spring of next year, the source said...."

Just quoting you to get your attention when you check in, salty, can't remember what thread this belongs in, but check out what Amy does to our boy. Renders him speechless with this masterpiece....and it is a masterpiece.
Click on at 1:18 to eliminate a lot of garbage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqjJvryRDrI

While in the Med chasing the Red's with the Brits I watched one of those (undoubtedly a different model) lift off from a Brit flight deck of an LPH. Very cool sight. Couldn't watch for long though, had to get back to snoopin' on Ivan.

[old salt]

Re our announced drawdown of US forces in Germany, SecDef Esper's recent remarks to the Atlantic Council indicate that part of the drawdown might have already been planned, or at least favored by Army leadership, as they globally shift toward rotational deployments of US based units, rather than permanently basing combat units overseas.

In this case, the 2nd Cav is the last US Army ground combat unit still permanently based in the EU (Germany). If Biden wins, it will be interesting to watch the future of the 2nd Cav (or replacement). If Trump wins, will Congressional hawks allow their return to the US ?

If the 2nd Cav leaves their permanent garrison in Bavaria, what will be the fate of our massive joint ground Combat Training Center & range facility there. Fully trained rotational units arriving from the US for a 9 mos deployment do not need the Training Center as much as permanently based units do to maintain their readiness & incorporate the continual turnover of individual soldiers transferring in & out. We have significant sunken costs in that facility & the capability it provides. It's unfortunate that our NATO allies don't use it more & contribute to it's continued future existence. To me, the future of this facility is a canary in the NATO coal mine.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your ... to-russia/

The Defense Department has been in talks with a handful of Eastern European countries about deploying thousands of soldiers closer to the Russian border, Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Tuesday in his prepared remarks in an appearance at the Atlantic Council.

In July, Esper announced that the 2nd Cavalry Regiment would be transferred from its home at U.S. Army Garrison Bavaria, Germany, to a stateside post to be determined, as part of withdrawal of nearly 12,000 troops from that country. He had also proposed deploying its infantry and armor troops back to Europe on a rotational basis, and his remarks Tuesday revealed some groundwork already being laid.

“Indeed, since ... the signing of the defense cooperation agreement with Poland, my recent meetings with defense ministers from Romania and Bulgaria, and correspondence received from Baltic states, there is now the real opportunity of keeping the 2nd Cavalry Regiment forward in some of these countries on an enduring basis,” Esper said.

A Pentagon spokesman clarified that Esper was referring to an purely rotational presence.
“... the nearly 4,500 members of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment will return to the United States as other Stryker units begin continuous rotations farther east in the Black Sea region, giving us a more enduring presence to enhance deterrence and reassure allies along NATO’s southeastern flank,” Esper said during the July 29 roll-out of his Europe posture plan.

So 2nd Cavalry Regiment will be relieved by other units, much like those who have been rotating through Europe since 2016.

Deploying those troops closer to Russia is part of the larger strategy, as troops based in Germany were spending more and more time on joint exercises and other training opportunities with countries right in the line of encroachment.

The Army has already announced a series of moves eastward, including reactivating its once Europe-based V Corps and sending an element on a continuous rotation to Poland. Of about 630 soldiers total, who will be based a Fort Knox, Kentucky, 200 at a time will rotate to Poland

For useful background, this embedded link in the above article, details our increased combat presence on NATO's E flank, since Jan 2017 :
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-arm ... er-russia/
On a personal note, in the late '80's I was able to spend time with many (then) junior Army officers like (now) Gen's Hodges & Daugherty at their Kasernes in W Germany. My wife & I were able to take weekend MWR bus tours with them & their wives to regional tourist attractions. I was uniformly impressed with their professionalism & dedication to mission. They were very prepared to pay the price to stop any Russian advance. They obviously remain so today.

Generals Hodges & Daugherty sum up why, for the current threat to NATO, the Army prefers rotational deployments to permanent basing :
(they're not planning on us staying 50 years again, ...this time.)
Either way we do it -- it remains a huge (& disproportionate) contribution by the US to NATO's ready combat power.

"This is an armored brigade. We have a lot of people, we have a significant amount of combat power and capability," he said. "It requires a significant focus and attention daily in maintenance, ensuring that every crew member, every soldier in the brigade, took personal ownership of their equipment."

And as soon as the ramps dropped from three ships on Jan. 6 at the port in Bremerhaven, Germany, the clock was ticking.
"In the intervening 62 days, we moved just over 3,000 soldiers, 2,600 pieces of equipment about 380 miles from the port of Bremerhaven down to five assembling areas here in western Poland," he said.
The brigade got to "ready to fight" status in about two weeks, Hodges said.
"They did it in 15 days, which is, frankly, five days faster than I thought they could do," he said.

It was a big difference in turnaround effort from past brigades stationed in Europe.
"As these [regionally aligned force] units get here, unlike units that are stationed here — where we are in charge of all their caring, feeding throughout the year and getting trained — the Army has done an amazing job sending these units here ready to train," Daugherty said. "Right when they get here, they're already trained and there's no prep work that's needed. There's no certification, no taking them to the training center. It's all about taking them out where they need to go."

It's a better option than a complete 180-degree turn and permanently stationing units in Europe again, he added, at least for the time being.

"I think that any surge of forces over time that is episodic is better than an episodic version of putting soldiers in for a couple years to be stationed, and then you change your mind — or the atmosphere has changed in that position — and then you pull that unit out that has been stationed there," Daugherty said.

[CU88]

How soon until the r's start bashing Sen Reed?

Rhode Island Democratic Sen. Jack Reed is known to talk softly. But if Democrats retake the Senate, he could carry a megaphone as chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

A deferential, bipartisan and respected ranking member for the last six years opposite Republican chairmen John McCain and Jim Inhofe, Reed has never stepped into such an agenda-setting and high-profile role in his decades-long legislative career. Despite credentials as an Army Ranger, paratrooper, and graduate of West Point and Harvard Law School, he’s shown little interest in raising his profile outside Washington and Rhode Island.

The spry 70-year-old tends to zip past reporters in the Senate, and when he does stop, they sometimes strain to hear him. He appears on national television rarely. He twice stepped out of the running for defense secretary under President Barack Obama, opting to continue his quieter Senate career.

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/20 ... nd-center/

[old salt]

Our New World Order, ...which helped spawn Trump.

https://prospect.org/justice/new-world-dis-order/

[youthathletics]

Our New World Order, ...which helped spawn Trump.

https://prospect.org/justice/new-world-dis-order/

Intriguing article.

[a fan]

Our New World Order, ...which helped spawn Trump.

https://prospect.org/justice/new-world-dis-order/

Intriguing article.

From four years ago. Much has changed. Not the least of which, we now have millions of Americans who think that 200K+ Americans dying is a walk in the park, and no big deal.

Given that? Why the F do we have one single soldier anywhere in the world? To do what? 200k dead Americans in a year is SOP now....so why the F would we have troops overseas? To what end?

BTW, after reading about Russia and energy dominance..... all Germany and the EU and America need to do is pool resources, and switch to electric power. Putin would be SO royally F'ed.

THAT is what we should be blowing our money on......infrastructure advantage.

[ABV 8.3%]

Well done Brit explainer about the leap in jump jet technology from the Harrier to the F-35B.
The Harrier served well & our Marines will continue to operate it through 2028, in low threat environments.

The successful deployment of the F-35B on US (& S Korean, Japanese, Italian & Spanish) Amphib carriers + the Brit's 2 new light carriers), could be a game changer, especially for our allies, in helping the US project power & keep the sea lanes open.

http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php ... &start=105
Italy’s Navy-Air Force tussle over the F-35 comes to a head
Italy’s planned order for 30 of the short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing aircraft is to be split by the services, with each receiving 15, in addition to the 60 F35-As ordered for the Air Force.
The Navy sees the “B” version as essential for replacing its aging AV-8 jets on its Cavour carrier, while the Air Force wants the jet for expeditionary missions overseas where it can be flown off short runways.

...with Brexit approaching, Europe will lose U.K. carriers and can only rely on France’s Charles de Gaulle and Italy’s Cavour, which hosts obsolete aircraft.”...

...The two Navy F35-Bs were sent after delivery to the United States to participate in training at Beaufort Air Base in South Carolina and are due back in Italy at the end of 2021, the defense source said. In the meantime, the Cavour was due at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland, in the United States in November to attain certification for hosting the F35-B with the help of U.S. test aircraft. The onset of the coronavirus pandemic has pushed the visit back to the spring of next year, the source said...."

any place we can see the invoicing for all those sales to Foreign buying our jets? so glad our R & D money funds the financial holdings of the few.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Our New World Order, ...which helped spawn Trump.

https://prospect.org/justice/new-world-dis-order/

Intriguing article.

From four years ago. Much has changed. Not the least of which, we now have millions of Americans who think that 200K+ Americans dying is a walk in the park, and no big deal.

Given that? Why the F do we have one single soldier anywhere in the world? To do what? 200k dead Americans in a year is SOP now....so why the F would we have troops overseas? To what end?

BTW, after reading about Russia and energy dominance..... all Germany and the EU and America need to do is pool resources, and switch to electric power. Putin would be SO royally F'ed.

THAT is what we should be blowing our money on......infrastructure advantage.

You sound like AOC

[old salt]

Our New World Order, ...which helped spawn Trump.

https://prospect.org/justice/new-world-dis-order/

Intriguing article.

From four years ago. Much has changed. Not the least of which, we now have millions of Americans who think that 200K+ Americans dying is a walk in the park, and no big deal.

Given that? Why the F do we have one single soldier anywhere in the world? To do what? 200k dead Americans in a year is SOP now....so why the F would we have troops overseas? To what end?

BTW, after reading about Russia and energy dominance..... all Germany and the EU and America need to do is pool resources, and switch to electric power. Putin would be SO royally F'ed.

THAT is what we should be blowing our money on......infrastructure advantage.

Your ability to misread is astounding. It's from 4 years ago, so you couldn't blame Trump, & to illustrate the foreign policy issues which helped elect Trump last time.

Equating deaths from a pandemic exported by China to military casualties is ridiculous. The pandemic was afflicted upon us. It's not the result of any war we chose to enter. Trump recognized our loss of continued tolerance for endless wars, then campaigned & governed accordingly.

How are you going to generate that much electricity ? Renewables can't even meet current demand. Germany's shutting down their nucs , increasing coal burning, & becoming even more dependent upon Russian gas. Trump presented a plan for US LNG (which would also protect Ukraine). The EUroburghers, lead by Germany, instead opted for Nordstream 2, rather than trade with their NATO ally & benefactor.

[a fan]

Your ability to misread is astounding.

Pot, meet kettle. I didn't say a word about Trump

It's from 4 years ago, so you couldn't blame Trump, & to illustrate the foreign policy issues which helped elect Trump last time.

Four years later, and you still can't admit to yourself why Trump won.

Oh totally----Trump voters were keen on Trump's foreign policy. THAT is why he got votes. The average Trump voter can't spell "the Middle East," let alone tell you where it is. And yet you want to sell me that TrumpFans have some nuanced post-ColdWar ideas on ME policies like you do? Please.

Trump won because he HATES the same people his voters do. THAT is why he was elected, and THAT is why he'll get elected again, if he's lucky enough. If Trump said that we should change our economy to communism? His followers would support him to the very end.

Equating deaths from a pandemic exported by China to military casualties is ridiculous.

That's not what I meant. I meant that we have millions of Americans who have demonstrated that they don't care about their fellow Americans enough to wear a stupid piece of cloth for a few months. All they care about is themselves, and their immediate family. The Greatest Generation would be appalled at this massive, massive cultural change in just a few decades.

This Virus has shown Americans who we are. And it ain't pretty, OS. This "F everyone else, I got mine" attitude will color how our government works for YEARS to come.......

How are you going to generate that much electricity ?

Same way we go to the moon, invented the internet, and all the great things we've done as a nation-----get the people who say "that's impossible" out of the way, and work the problem.

Your Republican party put your money on (snicker) coal as the future of our country. Time for new ideas.

I mean for F's sake: coal, Old Salt? Pour Federal dollars into keeping coal alive? If that doesn't tell you that you should 1000% ignore these people and their lack of vision, and lack of work ethic? Nothing will.

BTW-----Americans are 1000% on board for endless wars. What voters are HONESTLY tired of? Is HEARING about the endless wars. Now that the media isn't telling them what's happening in the ME? They don't care. They'll back bases everywhere, and keep spending money on the wars and the bases.

So you know, so that you don't make this mistake again: you'll know that Americans are sick of endless wars when we make major cuts to military spending, and close bases overseas. THEN you can crow about Americans wanting to get out of endless wars.....until then, meet the new boss, same as the ....

[youthathletics]

Our New World Order, ...which helped spawn Trump.

https://prospect.org/justice/new-world-dis-order/

Intriguing article.

From four years ago. Much has changed. Not the least of which, we now have millions of Americans who think that 200K+ Americans dying is a walk in the park, and no big deal.

Given that? Why the F do we have one single soldier anywhere in the world? To do what? 200k dead Americans in a year is SOP now....so why the F would we have troops overseas? To what end?

BTW, after reading about Russia and energy dominance..... all Germany and the EU and America need to do is pool resources, and switch to electric power. Putin would be SO royally F'ed.

THAT is what we should be blowing our money on......infrastructure advantage.

Your ability to misread is astounding. It's from 4 years ago, so you couldn't blame Trump, & to illustrate the foreign policy issues which helped elect Trump last time.

Equating deaths from a pandemic exported by China to military casualties is ridiculous. The pandemic was afflicted upon us. It's not the result of any war we chose to enter. Trump recognized our loss of continued tolerance for endless wars, then campaigned & governed accordingly.

How are you going to generate that much electricity ? Renewables can't even meet current demand. Germany's shutting down their nucs , increasing coal burning, & becoming even more dependent upon Russian gas. Trump presented a plan for US LNG (which would also protect Ukraine). The EUroburghers, lead by Germany, instead opted for Nordstream 2, rather than trade with their NATO ally & benefactor.

Funny you all bring up Electricity. There is a heated discussion going on in this field called Decarbonization/Electrification. Essentially, anything that uses fossil fuels to be replaced by all electric. What many do not think about is the electricity is dammed near 100% efficient, meaning nothing goes out the tail pipe or up the smoke stack like your little oil or gas furnace/boiler; zero loss.

This is promising, b/c it is a place we can invest, and use brain power, in order to learn how to reduce electrical usage of existing fossil fuel equipment. For instance, electric water heaters have advanced to more than a heating element, an induction motor that typically runs at 60 hz can be reduced to roughly half its current draw to 48 hz by adding VFD. My guess though, it may become negligible, as we add more connected load to our grid.

[old salt]

Your ability to misread is astounding.

Pot, meet kettle. I didn't say a word about Trump

It's from 4 years ago, so you couldn't blame Trump, & to illustrate the foreign policy issues which helped elect Trump last time.

Four years later, and you still can't admit to yourself why Trump won.

Oh totally----Trump voters were keen on Trump's foreign policy. THAT is why he got votes. The average Trump voter can't spell "the Middle East," let alone tell you where it is. And yet you want to sell me that TrumpFans have some nuanced post-ColdWar ideas on ME policies like you do? Please.

Trump won because he HATES the same people his voters do. THAT is why he was elected, and THAT is why he'll get elected again, if he's lucky enough. If Trump said that we should change our economy to communism? His followers would support him to the very end.
It's amazing how many voters were mobilized by being called " deplorables" & turned out to stick it to the elites who've been talking down to them, while screwing them. Trump connected with them.

Equating deaths from a pandemic exported by China to military casualties is ridiculous.

That's not what I meant. I meant that we have millions of Americans who have demonstrated that they don't care about their fellow Americans enough to wear a stupid piece of cloth for a few months. All they care about is themselves, and their immediate family. Peaceful protesters. Just a bunch of kids out having fun.The Greatest Generation would be appalled at this massive, massive cultural change in just a few decades. Yes. Portland & Seattle are our brave new world.

This Virus has shown Americans who we are. And it ain't pretty, OS. This "F everyone else, I got mine" attitude will color how our government works for YEARS to come.......

How are you going to generate that much electricity ?

Same way we go to the moon, invented the internet, and all the great things we've done as a nation-----get the people who say "that's impossible" out of the way, and work the problem. You think there's not sufficient incentive to come up with a silver bullet that would make a carbonless electric grid possible ? We don't have the battery technology to pull it off. You want another pie in the sky green boondoggle -- convert CA's failed high speed train to nowhere to vehicle battery charging stations for use during CA's brownouts.

Your Republican party put your money on (snicker) coal as the future of our country. Time for new ideas.

I mean for F's sake: coal, Old Salt? Pour Federal dollars into keeping coal alive? If that doesn't tell you that you should 1000% ignore these people and their lack of vision, and lack of work ethic? Nothing will.Read closer. I said the Germans are increasing coal use, not the US. We are replacing coal with NG. ...& you keep telling us how smart & selfless the Germans are.

BTW-----Americans are 1000% on board for endless wars. What voters are HONESTLY tired of? Is HEARING about the endless wars. Now that the media isn't telling them what's happening in the ME? They don't care. They'll back bases everywhere, and keep spending money on the wars and the bases.
So you think you're the only one who heard Trump's vow to end stupid wars & bring our troops home ? You're the only one who cares ?

So you know, so that you don't make this mistake again: you'll know that Americans are sick of endless wars when we make major cuts to military spending, and close bases overseas. Trump's trying to do that, despite massive internal resistance from the Pentagon & Congress.THEN you can crow about Americans wanting to get out of endless wars.....until then, meet the new boss, same as the ....Biden's already said he intends to reverse Trump's drawdown in Germany.

[a fan]

It's amazing how many voters were mobilized by being called " deplorables" & turned out to stick it to the elites who've been talking down to them, while screwing them. Trump connected with them.

And this is the saddest part.

How much further behind are the TrumpVoters after four years, OS? And how much further ahead are the snowflakes with multiple degrees from Yale and other "snowflake" Universities.

Take a wild guess, OS. Or do you think poor ol' Hillary and her Yale degree can barely make ends meet?

I agree 1000 percent that this is what your team thinks. They think they "won". It would be funny if it wasn't so freaking sad. You're an interloper, OS. You're one of the eiltes that TrumpFans think are no-nothings. A fancy kid from THE elite military school in the world, and they've convinced themselves that you think you're better than the enlisted men that you outranked.

These TrumpFans are more F'ed than ever. I feel nothing but pity for them, as they fall further behind not just the top earners they despise, but also the rest of the 1st world who get health care and top educations.....

Oh well. Vote Trump I guess.

Peaceful protesters. Just a bunch of kids out having fun....Portland & Seattle are our brave new world.

Who is is that you and others here think you're fooling with this nonsense. We're not a bunch of dumb*sses, glued to FoxNation, who'll buy anything you sell.

Keep pretending like this handful of idiots are running the country, OS. I guess I should reciprocate and pretend like the idiots who tried to kidnap the MI governor are running your party, and represent you. Or pretend like you and Republican leaders condone the government's killing of black men. Maybe then you'd realize how completely stupid these assertions of yours are.

You're better than this. Stop acting like you think we're dumb.

This Virus has shown Americans who we are. And it ain't pretty, OS. This "F everyone else, I got mine" attitude will color how our government works for YEARS to come.......

You think there's not sufficient incentive to come up with a silver bullet that would make a carbonless electric grid possible ?

I think that you're not so freaking stupid that you haven't notice that we're not working on American infrastructure, and haven't been for about 50 years, and we're paying the price for not making slow, incremental changes.

So you think you're the only one who heard Trump's vow to end stupid wars & bring our troops home

Yes. And these are TrumpFans, OS. No matter what he does, they'll support it. Policies are immaterial. Wake up.

Trump's trying to do that, despite massive internal resistance from the Pentagon & Congress.

Please. He's in charge. Stop making excuses...he can do whatever he wants overseas. It's literally the one thing he can do without interference.

This is as funny as your insistence that Trump won't pardon Flynn because he's worried about losing votes. Where do you concoct this logic?

Trump could shut down every single base overseas----every last one of them----and his fans would cheer. Why? Because Trump sez so. Wake up....these people will cheer ANYTHING he does. And, like you (sorry mate), after Trump does it? They'll concoct a "reason" as to why what Trump did was awesome...as well as come on here and tell us as to why it's part of a larger brilliant scheme.

These people are all cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

So to your assertion: if Trump wanted to pull out of the ME and other nations? All he has to do is give the order. He didn't do that. And that's all you need to know.....

Biden's already said he intends to reverse Trump's drawdown in Germany.

Yup. So much for your insistence that Americans are "sick of endless wars", don't you think?

Call me when we cut military spending, OS. Call me when we can't afford to keep those bases open. THEN I'll agree that we're sick of "endless wars".

[old salt]

It's amazing how many voters were mobilized by being called " deplorables" & turned out to stick it to the elites who've been talking down to them, while screwing them. Trump connected with them.

And this is the saddest part.

How much further behind are the TrumpVoters after four years, OS? And how much further ahead are the snowflakes with multiple degrees from Yale and other "snowflake" Universities.

Take a wild guess, OS. Or do you think poor ol' Hillary and her Yale degree can barely make ends meet?

I agree 1000 percent that this is what your team thinks. They think they "won". It would be funny if it wasn't so freaking sad. You're an interloper, OS. You're one of the eiltes that TrumpFans think are no-nothings. A fancy kid from THE elite military school in the world, and they've convinced themselves that you think you're better than the enlisted men that you outranked. 'fancy kid". right. pretty sure nobody who served with me concluded that.

These TrumpFans are more F'ed than ever. I feel nothing but pity for them, as they fall further behind not just the top earners they despise, but also the rest of the 1st world who get health care and top educations.....
It's about respect. Listen to the last 8 min. https://podcast.thebulwark.com/chris-ma ... -had-a-few

Oh well. Vote Trump I guess.

Peaceful protesters. Just a bunch of kids out having fun....Portland & Seattle are our brave new world.

Who is is that you and others here think you're fooling with this nonsense. We're not a bunch of dumb*sses, glued to FoxNation, who'll buy anything you sell.

Keep pretending like this handful of idiots are running the country, OS. I guess I should reciprocate and pretend like the idiots who tried to kidnap the MI governor are running your party, and represent you. Or pretend like you and Republican leaders condone the government's killing of black men. Maybe then you'd realize how completely stupid these assertions of yours are.

You're better than this. Stop acting like you think we're dumb.

This Virus has shown Americans who we are. And it ain't pretty, OS. This "F everyone else, I got mine" attitude will color how our government works for YEARS to come.......The American public is not as stupid or as selfish as you seem to think. They've seen the glaring inconsistencies in guidance from experts & political leaders as the pandemic spread. Some mistakes & a learning curve are to be expected, but the critics lost all credibility when they refused to call out the thousands of super-spreaders flooding the streets during the "mostly" peaceful protests. They're also smart enough to see that the super smart & sophisticated EUros aren't doing any better. They're like us -- we don't live in tightly contained Asian authoritarian &/or island nations which were locked down early enough & had the infrastructure, procedures & PPE in place from their SARS response. We weathered the lockdown, flattened the curve, prevented the hospitals from being overrun & are now making a tradeoff, because we've reached the point where the supposed preventative is worse than the disease. The same decisions are being made in our fellow liberal democracies of the EU. Sell your American self-loathing elsewhere. It's too simplistic.

You think there's not sufficient incentive to come up with a silver bullet that would make a carbonless electric grid possible ?

I think that you're not so freaking stupid that you haven't notice that we're not working on American infrastructure, and haven't been for about 50 years, and we're paying the price for not making slow, incremental changes.

So you think you're the only one who heard Trump's vow to end stupid wars & bring our troops home

Yes. And these are TrumpFans, OS. No matter what he does, they'll support it. Policies are immaterial. Wake up.

Trump's trying to do that, despite massive internal resistance from the Pentagon & Congress.

Please. He's in charge. Stop making excuses...he can do whatever he wants overseas. It's literally the one thing he can do without interference.

This is as funny as your insistence that Trump won't pardon Flynn because he's worried about losing votes. Where do you concoct this logic?
That not my position. Trump hasn't pardoned Flynn because he doesn't need to, yet. It's better for them both if the charges are dismissed.

Trump could shut down every single base overseas----every last one of them----and his fans would cheer. Why? Because Trump sez so. Wake up....these people will cheer ANYTHING he does. And, like you (sorry mate), after Trump does it? They'll concoct a "reason" as to why what Trump did was awesome...as well as come on here and tell us as to why it's part of a larger brilliant scheme.
You have no idea what you are talking about. There are treaty obligations & Congress has a say -- especially on funding.

These people are all cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

So to your assertion: if Trump wanted to pull out of the ME and other nations? All he has to do is give the order. He didn't do that. And that's all you need to know..... Too simplistic to even address. Look at the uproar shifting just a couple hundred troops around Syria caused. Not even Trump is that irresponsible. Just like his German drawdown which was portrayed as abandoning NATO -- it's a shell game, re-deploying to adjust to a different likely battle space.

Biden's already said he intends to reverse Trump's drawdown in Germany.

Yup. So much for your insistence that Americans are "sick of endless wars", don't you think?

Call me when we cut military spending, OS. Call me when we can't afford to keep those bases open. THEN I'll agree that we're sick of "endless wars".
It is going to have to be driven by an economic reckoning. Politicians will never willingly give up power, even if it is not money well spent. I dream about how little it could cost to defend just US territory, if we did not have to project power globally, keep the sea lanes open & be the global cops maintaining the new world order. The alternative -- let China, Russia, Iran & Turkey sort it out. ...what could go wrong there ?

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'fancy kid". right. pretty sure nobody who served with me concluded that.

That ain't how it works, remember? FoxNation rails on "the elites".....they don't actually need to meet you! They just assume you're horrible, and that they need to "stick it to you".

It's about respect. Listen to the last 8 min. https://podcast.thebulwark.com/chris-ma ... -had-a-few

Been hearing this bullsh*t since I was five freaking years old. "The Libs are condescending"

Right. Because FoxNation isn't. "The Sheeple" is a warm, loving term, that shows respect to those who think differently than Rush Limbaugh, right? Have you seen Pete's posts? Oh yeah, he's a real respectful guy when it comes to ideas from "other people".

Sell it somewhere else. Both partisans are condescending assh*les to the other side.

The American public is not as stupid or as selfish as you seem to think. They've seen the glaring inconsistencies in guidance from experts & political leaders as the pandemic spread. Some mistakes & a learning curve are to be expected, but the critics lost all credibility when they refused to call out the thousands of super-spreaders flooding the streets during the "mostly" peaceful protests.

In what world do you think I'm not including these people as selfish, OS? I'm calling out everyone who wasn't willing to sacrifice, and shelve their own personal desires----including protesting-----for a while, while we take care of the greater good.

You think there's not sufficient incentive to come up with a silver bullet that would make a carbonless electric grid possible ?

I think that you're not so freaking stupid that you haven't notice that we're not working on American infrastructure, and haven't been for about 50 years, and we're paying the price for not making slow, incremental changes.

You have no idea what you are talking about. There are treaty obligations & Congress has a say -- especially on funding.

You're going to hand me "treaty obligations' that no one is following? Please. We have one current treaty of any import. NATO.

And you and I have gone round and round with the insanity that is Turkey. NATO is utterly pointless if Turkey is working with Russia.

Too simplistic to even address. Look at the uproar shifting just a couple hundred troops around Syria caused. Not even Trump is that irresponsible. Just like his German drawdown which was portrayed as abandoning NATO -- it's a shell game, re-deploying to adjust to a different likely battle space.

That's fine. Then stop selling me your nonsense of Americans being sick of endless wars, when that's just a fat lie. We're not changing any of our strategies since the Wall came down. All we do is change tactics (oh, this is a different kind of boat in the China Sea. That's, like, really really different). We're still the global cop...nothing has changed that, despite your protests.

It is going to have to be driven by an economic reckoning. Politicians will never willingly give up power, even if it is not money well spent. I dream about how little it could cost to defend just US territory, if we did not have to project power globally, keep the sea lanes open & be the global cops maintaining the new world order. The alternative -- let China, Russia, Iran & Turkey sort it out. ...what could go wrong there ?

No, the alternative is to let NATO do it. Or some new organization.

Again-----this shows for the 1,000,000th time that NATO is pointless. NATO can't even keep shipping lanes open? Are you kidding me?

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DOPUS just announced the immediate termination of Defense Secretary Mark Esper. What's the over/under that Salty will excuse the latest DOPUS travesty of governance? Esper wil get tossed under the bus as did McGurk, Mattis, McMaster and all of the other folks he praised/supported and then abandoned.

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You should stop misrepresenting others.

Esper did a great job under extremely difficult circumstances. He served as Sec of the Army under Mattis & pursued their shared strategy to completion. Show us where I said anything negative about McGurk, Mattis, or McMaster. I hope Biden brings McGurk back into govt service.

Esper wrote his resignation letter last week. He was gone, even if Trump won, because he wouldn't deploy active duty troops on the streets of DC when rioters were threatening the WH. He bucked Trump on other issues. He served well & can leave with his head held high.

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You should stop misrepresenting others.

Esper did a great job under extremely difficult circumstances. He served as Sec of the Army under Mattis & pursued their shared strategy to completion. Show us where I said anything negative about McGurk, Mattis, or McMaster. I hope Biden brings McGurk back into govt service.

Esper wrote his resignation letter last week. He was gone, even if Trump won, because he wouldn't deploy active duty troops on the streets of DC when rioters were threatening the WH. He bucked Trump on other issues. He served well & can leave with his head held high.

Here's a chronicle of how Esper navigated the minefield of being Trump's SecDef.
A case study in how to successfully work for a "difficult" boss.
West Point can be proud. He kept faith with both his CinC & his troops.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your ... o-yes-man/