SCOTUS

[kramerica.inc]

Talking hypothetically, I was asked if I was for educaiton and contraception.
Yes, I am. Put money to those efforts.
I am responding with a compromise for the other side. We always hear the rape, incest, or that the mother's life is in danger argument.
I'm suggesting those would be legal reasons for one.
Otherwise, adoption or parenthood are your options.

[youthathletics]

Talking hypothetically, I was asked if I was for educaiton and contraception.
Yes, I am. Put money to those efforts.
I am responding with a compromise for the other side. We always hear the rape, incest, or that the mother's life is in danger argument.
I'm suggesting those would be legal reasons for one.
Otherwise, adoption or parenthood are your options.

No to mention the argument that is also not often talked about, that the US needs people, our birthrate is downward. No need to go to Russia to adopt a child.

[njbill]

You've obviously never seen an abortion up close and personal OR known a woman who has had one, or lost a pregnancy.

But yeah, when in doubt, forget adoption. That's too "messy."

You are talking nonsense.

No, I’ve never seen an abortion up close. I know several women who have had them, however.

Also know quite a few who have had miscarriages, starting with my wife. Also my mother, sister, and niece. And that’s just my family.

In terms of adoptions, I know a woman who gave her daughter up for adoption when she was a teenager. Always regretted that. Didn’t ask, but in retrospect, I’ll bet she wished she had an abortion.

An unwanted pregnancy is a very, very difficult situation for the woman involved. What she decides to do — have and keep the baby, have an abortion, or give the baby up for adoption — is her decision. You, a stranger, have no right to stick your nose in there.

[CU77]

[MDlaxfan76]

Talking hypothetically, I was asked if I was for educaiton and contraception.
Yes, I am. Put money to those efforts.
I am responding with a compromise for the other side. We always hear the rape, incest, or that the mother's life is in danger argument.
I'm suggesting those would be legal reasons for one.
Otherwise, adoption or parenthood are your options.

No to mention the argument that is also not often talked about, that the US needs people, our birthrate is downward. No need to go to Russia to adopt a child.

So, we need more baby mama's to up the country's birth rate? What the heck, why not have baby farms?

Kram, the mother's choice is a legal reason.

Want to reduce unwanted pregnancies?
Work real hard to help folks with contraception.
Vote out people politicians who want to make contraception harder, more expensive for girls and women.

[youthathletics]

Talking hypothetically, I was asked if I was for educaiton and contraception.
Yes, I am. Put money to those efforts.
I am responding with a compromise for the other side. We always hear the rape, incest, or that the mother's life is in danger argument.
I'm suggesting those would be legal reasons for one.
Otherwise, adoption or parenthood are your options.

No to mention the argument that is also not often talked about, that the US needs people, our birthrate is downward. No need to go to Russia to adopt a child.

So, we need more baby mama's to up the country's birth rate? What the heck, why not have baby farms?

Kram, the mother's choice is a legal reason.

Want to reduce unwanted pregnancies?
Work real hard to help folks with contraception.
Vote out people politicians who want to make contraception harder, more expensive for girls and women.

You missed the point. I do like how you throw in some slang to keep up your street cred....with your popped collar in your benzo To increase your street cred, look up what a "thot" is...they ain't sweatin' no glove....they gettin paid by der' baby daddy.

And No, not baby farms either. Abortions are on the decline anyway....and no, not because of being struck down by a court.

[url=https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2019/09/ ... e-not-main[/url] behind these trends has important policy implications, and the 2011–2017 period warrants particular attention because it coincided with an unprecedented wave of new abortion restrictions. During that timeframe, 32 states enacted a total of 394 new restrictions,3,4 with the vast majority of these measures having taken effect (that is, they were not struck down by a court).

[CU77]

No to mention the argument that is also not often talked about, that the US needs people

The US has added 50 million people in the last 20 years. Why do we need more???

https://www.worldometers.info/world-pop ... opulation/

[dislaxxic]

Adoption agency stock, quick! Helping single mothers with the "parenting" bit...and all that involves. What stock covers that business? Wait! That's it! Privatize the adoption business...now THERE'S something an investor could get into...move some stuff around, maybe from that private prison stock...

Oh, wait...adoption, parenting assistance and all that entails, these are places where socialism lives, no? Wonder what the status for things like funding of these sorts of "social programs" is?? Are Progressives known for funding that stuff, or are conservatives?

Your leading solutions are a bit fraught and fragile, aren't they Kram?

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[CU77]

Vote out people politicians who want to make contraception harder, more expensive for girls and women.

As I'm sure you're aware, about 90% of the anti-abortion crowd is really an anti-sex-outside-of-a-one-man-one-woman-marriage crowd.

If they really believed that life begins at conception, they'd be celebrating Conception Days instead of Birthdays, have funerals and tombstones for miscarriaged fetuses, be demanding that fetuses count in the census, demanding tax credits for fetuses, etc etc etc. That you've never even heard of some of these things tells you all you need to know.

[DMac]

Talking hypothetically, I was asked if I was for educaiton and contraception.
Yes, I am. Put money to those efforts.
I am responding with a compromise for the other side. We always hear the rape, incest, or that the mother's life is in danger argument.
I'm suggesting those would be legal reasons for one.
Otherwise, adoption or parenthood are your options.

No to mention the argument that is also not often talked about, that the US needs people, our birthrate is downward. No need to go to Russia to adopt a child.

Adoption or parenthood

While this may be seen as morally right, real world situations might muddy the waters quite a bit.
15, 16, 17 year old (many sexually active at that age) girl is pregnant. That's a real game changer,
abortion seemed a better option for many in that boat. Yes, preventative measures is the answer,
but Paradise By The Dashboard Lights would never have been a hit if everyone praticed that faithfully.

We need more people???
Not the way I see it.

[dislaxxic]

Let’s Count All the Errors and Lies in Brett Kavanaugh’s Defense of Voter Suppression

THIS is what movement conservatives have been angling for at the SCOTUS lo, all these years?? Fringe rightwingnut legal theories made law?

By deploying so many falsehoods in his 18-page opinion, Kavanaugh sent a signal to lower court judges: Uphold voter suppression at all costs, even if you have to ignore or contort the factual record to do it. Trump’s dozens of hackish judicial nominees will hear this message loud and clear. At least one member of the Supreme Court is willing to construct a fantasy world that is utterly detached from our grim reality of mass disenfranchisement. If we cannot trust the justices to tell the truth now, why should we believe them if they decide the election next week?

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[MDlaxfan76]

Talking hypothetically, I was asked if I was for educaiton and contraception.
Yes, I am. Put money to those efforts.
I am responding with a compromise for the other side. We always hear the rape, incest, or that the mother's life is in danger argument.
I'm suggesting those would be legal reasons for one.
Otherwise, adoption or parenthood are your options.

No to mention the argument that is also not often talked about, that the US needs people, our birthrate is downward. No need to go to Russia to adopt a child.

So, we need more baby mama's to up the country's birth rate? What the heck, why not have baby farms?

Kram, the mother's choice is a legal reason.

Want to reduce unwanted pregnancies?
Work real hard to help folks with contraception.
Vote out people politicians who want to make contraception harder, more expensive for girls and women.

You missed the point. I do like how you throw in some slang to keep up your street cred....with your popped collar in your benzo To increase your street cred, look up what a "thot" is...they ain't sweatin' no glove....they gettin paid by der' baby daddy.

And No, not baby farms either. Abortions are on the decline anyway....and no, not because of being struck down by a court.

[url=https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2019/09/ ... e-not-main[/url] behind these trends has important policy implications, and the 2011–2017 period warrants particular attention because it coincided with an unprecedented wave of new abortion restrictions. During that timeframe, 32 states enacted a total of 394 new restrictions,3,4 with the vast majority of these measures having taken effect (that is, they were not struck down by a court).

hardly knew baby mama was slang, but you did cause me to use the google machine on yours...old fogie that I am!

I still am missing your point.
I'm quite aware that our US birthrate is going down, at least with families who have been here a couple of generations.

Just not following what you are suggesting. I'm all for fewer abortions due to better contraceptive usage etc. Planned pregnancies are most often happy, well supported children. Unplanned, more importantly 'unwanted', not so much.

We may well be in very strong agreement, just not sure.

[MDlaxfan76]

Talking hypothetically, I was asked if I was for educaiton and contraception.
Yes, I am. Put money to those efforts.
I am responding with a compromise for the other side. We always hear the rape, incest, or that the mother's life is in danger argument.
I'm suggesting those would be legal reasons for one.
Otherwise, adoption or parenthood are your options.

No to mention the argument that is also not often talked about, that the US needs people, our birthrate is downward. No need to go to Russia to adopt a child.

Adoption or parenthood

While this may be seen as morally right, real world situations might muddy the waters quite a bit.
15, 16, 17 year old (many sexually active at that age) girl is pregnant. That's a real game changer,
abortion seemed a better option for many in that boat. Yes, preventative measures is the answer,
but Paradise By The Dashboard Lights would never have been a hit if everyone praticed that faithfully.

We need more people???
Not the way I see it.

At least not that way.

[kramerica.inc]

The solution isn’t an either/or.

As I said, I’m all for education and contraception. Why is the other side so shy from eliminating the walk-in, non doctor-prescribed abortions that meet the criteria I listed?

The misconception that I don’t believe in social programs to help those people in need is way off. You can be a republican and believe in social programs. I do. Worthwhile ones that focus on the basics of life. Unemployment, feeding the hungry, and counseling/educating those in need.

Trying to paint the potential Solutions to the abortion tragedy as a binary choice Is insane. Both sides seem
To agree that there are too many abortions. Even the pro choice crowd.

People are freaking out over 230k dead in a year from a natural occurring virus. But many of those same people shrug their shoulders at 600,000+ abortions EACH AND EVERY year.

If you care about ALL lives, why not those of the aborted?

[njbill]

Because they’re not lives.

[DMac]

Your criteria is rape, incest, and mother's life, all others who concieve deliver their baby.
How many of the 600,000 meet your criteria? How many are 15-18 yr old HS girls? Should
these girls (boy is involvelved...bigly...too) not be allowed to get an abortion because it's
against the will of God?

[CU77]

THIS is what movement conservatives have been angling for at the SCOTUS lo, all these years?? Fringe rightwingnut legal theories made law?

Yes, of course!

Hasn't that always been clear?

[CU77]

Because they’re not lives.

Exactly. Life begins at birth, as every human society throughout history has averred.

No funerals for miscarriages. No fetuses counted in the census. Etc etc etc.

[a fan]

Why is the other side so shy from eliminating the walk-in, non doctor-prescribed abortions that meet the criteria I listed?

Simple: it punishes the poor. The rich will always have access. That's what the bulk of the "fight" is about....the laws stick it to poor women, while the rich can fly anywhere they choose, no problem.

We don't have health care in this nation for the poor. Full stop.

If you care about ALL lives, why not those of the aborted?

They do. If you'd let them? Libs would cut abortions in half, without breaking a sweat. Why don't you work with them, and actually fix the problem that clearly bothers you? It's been decades now, and you're still not doing that.

[ggait]

As I said, I’m all for education and contraception. Why is the other side so shy from eliminating the walk-in, non doctor-prescribed abortions that meet the criteria I listed?

Maybe because significant super-majorities of people in virtually all of the developed world countries (including this country) decided decades ago that they disagree with your position?

You are entitled to your opinion, of course. But most people don't share it. And there's no particular reason to think that they ever will.