JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:58 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:51 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:14 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:01 pm
Any time you actually want to engage with either logic or new information or both, please do, Joe.
The personal attacks are none of the above.
It sounds like your issue is that I am simply consistent.
Hardly an accusation that bothers me.
btw, my sarcasm wasn't intended to be "thinly veiled", it was supposed to be very clear.
But not directed at you personally.
And if you want to attribute specific words and thoughts to me, how about actually quoting me directly and accurately?
Most of the words you attribute to me, I have not used; you're just falsely attributing them to me.
MD,
I am not attacking you, you just have a strong tendency to be hypocritical. Whether it's defending your "position" or not, that's the nature of what you are being. Nothing personal against YOU, just your inability to even acknowledge that there isn't only "one" way to view this virus. There is no benefit of I told you so, etc, etc. Assess you and your families risk, take the necessary precautions and live life to the fullest extent your local government allows. One way or another things will keep progressing. There's nothing you "yourself" can do about it, so continue to be optimistic and enjoy yourself. We existed as a society pre CV-19 and we will exist long after CV-19 is part of a history textbook. I'm taking a break, it's exhausting. And remember, I'm from a MUCH younger generation. Arguably the most important in the sense that we are just beginning to establish ourselves as parents,etc,etc. That does not mean your generation is not important in the slightest, but for once think about how 30 year old MD would have thought about this Pandemic, I guarantee you it wouldn't be the same in ANY regard. That's my ultimate point...
JoeMauer89!
Joe, my son is 27 and I know how he's thinking about it.
And how angry he is that our country's leadership has been so ridiculously stupid.
Now, he did have the benefit of a couple of years in China and was there when this hit, so his perspective on mask wearing may well be quite different from yours.
But go ahead and tell me how my consistent views on this topic are "hypocritical".
Do you understand the definition of the word?
MD,
Fair enough, but judging from wide array of contacts in which I interact with on a regular basis in my age range (20-35) your son is an outlier (which is respectable) Possible had he not lived in China as you noted, he would probably see it differently. We can just agree to disagree, my difference is I don't place the same level of "expected trust" in the administration. Therefore, when they don't live up to perceived expectations it doesn't bother me any more than usually as I am smart enough to know that government alone cannot "control" a pandemic any more than they have attempted. I'm using this as an example ONLY due to the nature of it being contagious, The government is not able to eradicate "Influenza" even WITH a yearly vaccine. Whether you think so or not, the media has created the notion that this virus must be "eradicated" That is scientifically impossible until YEARS down the road. So each and every day as we continue to learn how to live with it and live our lives SAFELY AROUND IT, they better we can as a society progress towards much needed normalcy in every aspect of human life.
JoeMauer89!
Joe, my wife and I also have 6 nieces and nephews, plus various boyfriends and girlfriends. They are all managing to continue working, with the exception of the niece with Downs who has not been able to return to group activities. Very high risk, and her mother is with her at home, doing her school teaching remotely, actually fortuitously able to do so. A sister is nearby and can help out, their grandmother is in long term care, mostly locked down. The sole early griper about restrictions was a nephew in the restaurant business in SC, however due to his roommate's irresponsibility, he contracted the virus, passed it to his sister and her boyfriend as they went to the airport to travel to vacation with their parents and grandmother...fortunately, the older folks didn't get it! The young folks were all horrified they'd put them in risk. They've all been very diligent with mask wearing.
They all believe now that considerably more could have been done by our government leaders, particularly in clear and consistent communications about the importance of distancing and mask wearing, of shared sacrifice.
Yes, the virus actually could be at a very low level. Other countries have crushed the spread and kept it low thereafter.
Though enormous damage has been done already, we could yet reverse the course of the virus if we were to collectively step forward and do simple things universally.
I do agree with you that a sense of optimism is essential.
Be well.