2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[RedFromMI]

Another observation on Twitter, after reports that McConnell has told Trump not to agree to a bill for relief before the election:

as I said a few weeks ago, not clear President Trump even realizes it but their “advice” is based on assumption Trump is toast and trying to set up best posture in opposition in 2021

(Josh Marshall, TPM)

[Typical Lax Dad]

Only in a great democracy do you not want people to vote.

Trump - Pence 2020
MAGA by VFTA!

[njbill]

Post the links about Joe, then.

I disagree with the Yahoo commentator. At least to this extent. The Supreme Court is not going to disallow PA votes after the election that it allowed two weeks before the election. That’s absolute nonsense. And, by the way, we don’t know how the four justices would have voted on the merits. Their vote only said they would take the case.

Now, might there be some cases post election that Barrett could rule on and could those rulings be pro Trump? Sure. But the Supreme Court needs to be careful because if they issue rulings on issues that are clearly state issues, you are going to see a packed court in a heartbeat. And if they give the election to Trump when it was won by Biden, you will see a revolution.

The Democrats might never win another election? I’ll take “they will.” Any amount you want to wager.

[wgdsr]

Post the links about Joe, then.

I disagree with the Yahoo commentator. At least to this extent. The Supreme Court is not going to disallow PA votes after the election that it allowed two weeks before the election. That’s absolute nonsense. And, by the way, we don’t know how the four justices would have voted on the merits. Their vote only said they would take the case.

Now, might there be some cases post election that Barrett could rule on and could those rulings be pro Trump? Sure. But the Supreme Court needs to be careful because if they issue rulings on issues that are clearly state issues, you are going to see a packed court in a heartbeat. And if they give the election to Trump when it was won by Biden, you will see a revolution.

The Democrats might never win another election? I’ll take “they will.” Any amount you want to wager.

you can find links yourself.

as far as the article, i didn't write it. it sounds like it's hysteria. that was sarcasm and i thought that was clear. if not, now it is?

[njbill]

You made the statement, not me. If you think there is support for your statement, provide it. I have no obligation to go down your rabbit holes.

Why would I think you wrote the article? Makes no sense.

[wgdsr]

You made the statement, not me. If you think there is support for your statement, provide it. I have no obligation to go down your rabbit holes.

Why would I think you wrote the article? Makes no sense.

man. maybe re-read your post(s). and hold yourself to the same standards you hold for others. seems like we went through this same issue yesterday.

don't take it personal, nj!!

[njbill]

I have no idea what you are talking about. As usual, your writing lacks clarity.

[wgdsr]

that's prolly a good place to end it. fwiw, appreciated input on scotus/elections.

[holmes435]

joe's basement strategy, which i didn't think he could hold thru october, is looking better and better.

Never interrupt your opponent while he is in the middle of making a mistake - Napoleon Bonaparte - or Sun Tzu - or Abraham Lincoln - or Michael Scott

[6ftstick]

From A Young White Woman:

If you’re a liberal and can’t stand Trump and can’t possibly fathom why anyone would want to vote for him, let me fill you in. We can’t stand you! You’ve done everything in your power to try and destroy this country by tearing down our police, our borders, our history — systematically destroying our schools and brainwashing our kids into thinking that socialism is the answer to everything.

Demonizing religion and faith. And glorifying abortion, violence, and thug culture. From calling us racists to ridiculing us for having the audacity to wish someone a Merry Christmas, or have a flag on the Fourth of July or stand for our national anthem or — oh, the horror! — wear a MAGA hat out in public.

So much for your tolerance. We are voting for Trump not because he’s the most charming character on the block, but because we vote policy over personality. And we are sick and tired of your divisive, destructive, ignorant and intolerant behavior and beliefs, parading around as some kind of wokeness. We are voting for Trump because of you.

What she said!

[cradleandshoot]

Is a show called queer eye for the strait guy also not insulting to gay people? Everybody chuckles about their antics in the land of FLP tv world. Since you ask my wife works in a medical field the serves many many folks in the gay and transgender community. You may be surprised at how many of them poke fun at themselves. If you are an arrogant, wound up too tight FLP type you will never see the humor we all see in ourselves regardless of ones sexual preference. What do you think the entire premise of a show called queer eye for the strait guy was all about to begin with?

Ohhh. There's a TV show that makes light of gays, your wife has some gay patients, and sometimes gays make fun of themselves. Why didn't you say that? Now your joke is hilarious!

You need to rapidly turn yourself counterclockwise. Your obviously wound up too tight.

[seacoaster]

Pretty sad; where did you find that? She doesn't know any "liberals," because there aren't any who do all those things.

When I read stuff like this, I can only express sadness. This person has adopted a narrative that talk television and radio have foisted upon Americans, which simply isn't true. No one I know "demonizes religion." My brother in law is a clergyman. No one I know glorifies thuggery and violence. No one I know "glorifies" the termination of a pregnancy. Just really sad that she has been led to this water, and drank.

[6ftstick]

Pretty sad; where did you find that? She doesn't know any "liberals," because there aren't any who do all those things.

When I read stuff like this, I can only express sadness. This person has adopted a narrative that talk television and radio have foisted upon Americans, which simply isn't true. No one I know "demonizes religion." My brother in law is a clergyman. No one I know glorifies thuggery and violence. No one I know "glorifies" the termination of a pregnancy. Just really sad that she has been led to this water, and drank.

Your vice presidential candidate solicits donations to get the thugs out of jail. Defund the Police?

Your fellow leftist posters here DON'T demonize religion? Thats laughable.

Liberals aren't reinventing Americas past?

Leftists aren't over the top abortion advocate? Passing abortion "up to and including delivery" laws paid for by the taxpayer. And cheering about it loudly in the state assembly chambers.

More of the we"didn't mean what we said or voted for" fall back position of the left!

She doesn't feel the way she does because she's told to. She feels that way because she's experienced it.

She's dead on.

[seacoaster]

Pretty sad; where did you find that? She doesn't know any "liberals," because there aren't any who do all those things.

When I read stuff like this, I can only express sadness. This person has adopted a narrative that talk television and radio have foisted upon Americans, which simply isn't true. No one I know "demonizes religion." My brother in law is a clergyman. No one I know glorifies thuggery and violence. No one I know "glorifies" the termination of a pregnancy. Just really sad that she has been led to this water, and drank.

Your vice presidential candidate solicits donations to get the thugs out of jail. Defund the Police?

Your fellow leftist posters here DON'T demonize religion? Thats laughable.

Liberals aren't reinventing Americas past?

Leftists aren't over the top abortion advocate? Passing abortion "up to and including delivery" laws paid for by the taxpayer. And cheering about it loudly in the state assembly chambers.

More of the we"didn't mean what we said or voted for" fall back position of the left!

She's dead on.

As I say, sad. I get that you believe it. I am just telling you, among all my acquaintance, it simply isn't true. But at this point, it is the ecosystem that supports your view and place in the world.

[CU88]

Trump by the numbers:
$188,561 in taxes to China
$130,000 to Stormy Daniels
$750 in taxes to the US

[seacoaster]

From the Post, including a list of Americans who stand for America when it really matters:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... way-ahead/

"Normally it’s a predictable, low-profile ritual: Every four years, presidential campaigns trot out lengthy lists of endorsements from former national security officials, generals and admirals. As a rule, no one cares much — because there is normally a widespread presumption that both major-party nominees are qualified to be commander in chief.

This year, it’s different. Democratic nominee Joe Biden is winning far more endorsements from national security professionals and retired flag officers — and by a large margin. Any perception that Republicans have an advantage on national security issues should be erased by looking at who’s backing the two candidates.

On Oct. 1, President Trump released a list of 66 Republican “former national security and senior officials” who have endorsed him. Most of them are not actually senior, and few have any actual national security experience. Mainly it’s a list of Republican apparatchiks, including former Rep. Bob Livingston (who had to quit Congress after a sex scandal); former governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi; Trump’s personal lawyer and former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani; Washington lobbyist and former Trump aide Matt Schlapp; former Heritage Foundation president Edwin J. Feulner; journalist Deroy Murdock (identified as a former member of the Education Department’s advisory board on international educational programs); and John Deming, a former deputy press secretary to John McCain. (They couldn’t even find a former McCain press secretary to back Trump?)

There are, to be sure, a few generals and genuine national security professionals among the Trump endorsers. But what is most notable about this list is who’s not on it. The missing names include former defense secretary Jim Mattis, former national security advisers H.R. McMaster and John Bolton, former White House chief of staff John F. Kelly, former secretary of state Rex Tillerson, former director of national intelligence Daniel Coats and former acting director Joseph Maguire. To be sure, none of these individuals has endorsed Biden — but nor do any of them have anything complimentary to say about the president they served.

Bolton has said Trump is not “fit for office” and doesn’t have “the competence to carry out the job.” Kelly reportedly told friends that Trump “is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life,” and “the depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me.” McMaster said Trump is “aiding and abetting [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s efforts” and selling out U.S. security in Afghanistan. Mattis said Trump “is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people. . . . Instead, he tries to divide us.” Coats told Bob Woodward that Putin may have “something” on Trump and that Trump “doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie.” Tillerson called Trump a “moron” and said the president asked him to “violate the law.”

This is the most scathing verdict on a president ever delivered by his own appointees. It helps to explain why so many national security veterans are backing Biden. The former vice president has the endorsement of 780 retired military officers and national security appointees — nearly 12 times as many as Trump — including storied foreign policy hands, such as former undersecretary of state Nicholas Burns and former deputy secretary of state William J. Burns, who have worked for both Democrats and Republicans.

Even more impressively, the ranks of Biden endorsers include 129 Republicans — prominent ones. See, for example, former director of national intelligence and former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John Negroponte; former CIA and National Security Agency director Michael Hayden; former CIA and FBI director William Webster; and former undersecretaries of defense Dov Zakheim, Michael Vickers and Eric Edelman. It should tell you something that the Republican all-star team is batting for Biden.

So are the military all-stars. Biden has the support of more than 200 retired admirals and generals, including at least 22 four-stars. (Trump does not have the support of a single four-star flag officer.) Some of those officers are backing Biden after having served under Trump — most prominently Gen. Paul Selva, who served as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff until August 2019. Officers are usually reluctant to get involved in partisan politics, but the stakes are so high this time that many are speaking out.

The latest flag officer to support Biden is retired Adm. William H. McRaven, the former Special Operations commander who oversaw the mission that killed Osama bin Laden. “Truth be told,” he wrote in the Wall Street Journal on Monday, “I am a pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, small-government, strong-defense and a national-anthem-standing conservative.” But he also believes: “We need a president who understands the importance of American leadership, at home and abroad. We need a leader of integrity whose decency and sense of respect reflects the values we expect from our president. We need a president for all Americans, not just half of America.”

That’s a good summary of where things stand. Trump’s incompetence has exacerbated the covid-19 crisis, turning it into one of the largest mass-casualty events in U.S. history. Imagine what he would do if he were to win a second term and confront an equally grave foreign policy crisis. The national security veterans know it’s a risk we can’t run."

But sure, what's Hunter's story.

[cradleandshoot]

From the Post, including a list of Americans who stand for America when it really matters:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... way-ahead/

"Normally it’s a predictable, low-profile ritual: Every four years, presidential campaigns trot out lengthy lists of endorsements from former national security officials, generals and admirals. As a rule, no one cares much — because there is normally a widespread presumption that both major-party nominees are qualified to be commander in chief.

This year, it’s different. Democratic nominee Joe Biden is winning far more endorsements from national security professionals and retired flag officers — and by a large margin. Any perception that Republicans have an advantage on national security issues should be erased by looking at who’s backing the two candidates.

On Oct. 1, President Trump released a list of 66 Republican “former national security and senior officials” who have endorsed him. Most of them are not actually senior, and few have any actual national security experience. Mainly it’s a list of Republican apparatchiks, including former Rep. Bob Livingston (who had to quit Congress after a sex scandal); former governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi; Trump’s personal lawyer and former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani; Washington lobbyist and former Trump aide Matt Schlapp; former Heritage Foundation president Edwin J. Feulner; journalist Deroy Murdock (identified as a former member of the Education Department’s advisory board on international educational programs); and John Deming, a former deputy press secretary to John McCain. (They couldn’t even find a former McCain press secretary to back Trump?)

There are, to be sure, a few generals and genuine national security professionals among the Trump endorsers. But what is most notable about this list is who’s not on it. The missing names include former defense secretary Jim Mattis, former national security advisers H.R. McMaster and John Bolton, former White House chief of staff John F. Kelly, former secretary of state Rex Tillerson, former director of national intelligence Daniel Coats and former acting director Joseph Maguire. To be sure, none of these individuals has endorsed Biden — but nor do any of them have anything complimentary to say about the president they served.

Bolton has said Trump is not “fit for office” and doesn’t have “the competence to carry out the job.” Kelly reportedly told friends that Trump “is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life,” and “the depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me.” McMaster said Trump is “aiding and abetting [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s efforts” and selling out U.S. security in Afghanistan. Mattis said Trump “is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people. . . . Instead, he tries to divide us.” Coats told Bob Woodward that Putin may have “something” on Trump and that Trump “doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie.” Tillerson called Trump a “moron” and said the president asked him to “violate the law.”

This is the most scathing verdict on a president ever delivered by his own appointees. It helps to explain why so many national security veterans are backing Biden. The former vice president has the endorsement of 780 retired military officers and national security appointees — nearly 12 times as many as Trump — including storied foreign policy hands, such as former undersecretary of state Nicholas Burns and former deputy secretary of state William J. Burns, who have worked for both Democrats and Republicans.

Even more impressively, the ranks of Biden endorsers include 129 Republicans — prominent ones. See, for example, former director of national intelligence and former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John Negroponte; former CIA and National Security Agency director Michael Hayden; former CIA and FBI director William Webster; and former undersecretaries of defense Dov Zakheim, Michael Vickers and Eric Edelman. It should tell you something that the Republican all-star team is batting for Biden.

So are the military all-stars. Biden has the support of more than 200 retired admirals and generals, including at least 22 four-stars. (Trump does not have the support of a single four-star flag officer.) Some of those officers are backing Biden after having served under Trump — most prominently Gen. Paul Selva, who served as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff until August 2019. Officers are usually reluctant to get involved in partisan politics, but the stakes are so high this time that many are speaking out.

The latest flag officer to support Biden is retired Adm. William H. McRaven, the former Special Operations commander who oversaw the mission that killed Osama bin Laden. “Truth be told,” he wrote in the Wall Street Journal on Monday, “I am a pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, small-government, strong-defense and a national-anthem-standing conservative.” But he also believes: “We need a president who understands the importance of American leadership, at home and abroad. We need a leader of integrity whose decency and sense of respect reflects the values we expect from our president. We need a president for all Americans, not just half of America.”

That’s a good summary of where things stand. Trump’s incompetence has exacerbated the covid-19 crisis, turning it into one of the largest mass-casualty events in U.S. history. Imagine what he would do if he were to win a second term and confront an equally grave foreign policy crisis. The national security veterans know it’s a risk we can’t run."

But sure, what's Hunter's story.

That list has to be taken with a grain of salt. If you notice every person on that list has been thoroughly raked over the coals at one time or another by our FLP friends on this forum. It is funny that when it is convenient to have them agreeing with you, they become loved and respected in the democrat community for their wise opinions. It is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. One general was even branded a coward on this forum just a few short days ago. I wonder if Biden is comfortable with a known coward supporting him?

[MDlaxfan76]

Pretty sad; where did you find that? She doesn't know any "liberals," because there aren't any who do all those things.

When I read stuff like this, I can only express sadness. This person has adopted a narrative that talk television and radio have foisted upon Americans, which simply isn't true. No one I know "demonizes religion." My brother in law is a clergyman. No one I know glorifies thuggery and violence. No one I know "glorifies" the termination of a pregnancy. Just really sad that she has been led to this water, and drank.

Your vice presidential candidate solicits donations to get the thugs out of jail. Defund the Police?

Your fellow leftist posters here DON'T demonize religion? Thats laughable.

Liberals aren't reinventing Americas past?

Leftists aren't over the top abortion advocate? Passing abortion "up to and including delivery" laws paid for by the taxpayer. And cheering about it loudly in the state assembly chambers.

More of the we"didn't mean what we said or voted for" fall back position of the left!

She's dead on.

As I say, sad. I get that you believe it. I am just telling you, among all my acquaintance, it simply isn't true. But at this point, it is the ecosystem that supports your view and place in the world.

Hating together provides comfort.

[MDlaxfan76]

From the Post, including a list of Americans who stand for America when it really matters:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... way-ahead/

"Normally it’s a predictable, low-profile ritual: Every four years, presidential campaigns trot out lengthy lists of endorsements from former national security officials, generals and admirals. As a rule, no one cares much — because there is normally a widespread presumption that both major-party nominees are qualified to be commander in chief.

This year, it’s different. Democratic nominee Joe Biden is winning far more endorsements from national security professionals and retired flag officers — and by a large margin. Any perception that Republicans have an advantage on national security issues should be erased by looking at who’s backing the two candidates.

On Oct. 1, President Trump released a list of 66 Republican “former national security and senior officials” who have endorsed him. Most of them are not actually senior, and few have any actual national security experience. Mainly it’s a list of Republican apparatchiks, including former Rep. Bob Livingston (who had to quit Congress after a sex scandal); former governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi; Trump’s personal lawyer and former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani; Washington lobbyist and former Trump aide Matt Schlapp; former Heritage Foundation president Edwin J. Feulner; journalist Deroy Murdock (identified as a former member of the Education Department’s advisory board on international educational programs); and John Deming, a former deputy press secretary to John McCain. (They couldn’t even find a former McCain press secretary to back Trump?)

There are, to be sure, a few generals and genuine national security professionals among the Trump endorsers. But what is most notable about this list is who’s not on it. The missing names include former defense secretary Jim Mattis, former national security advisers H.R. McMaster and John Bolton, former White House chief of staff John F. Kelly, former secretary of state Rex Tillerson, former director of national intelligence Daniel Coats and former acting director Joseph Maguire. To be sure, none of these individuals has endorsed Biden — but nor do any of them have anything complimentary to say about the president they served.

Bolton has said Trump is not “fit for office” and doesn’t have “the competence to carry out the job.” Kelly reportedly told friends that Trump “is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life,” and “the depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me.” McMaster said Trump is “aiding and abetting [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s efforts” and selling out U.S. security in Afghanistan. Mattis said Trump “is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people. . . . Instead, he tries to divide us.” Coats told Bob Woodward that Putin may have “something” on Trump and that Trump “doesn’t know the difference between the truth and a lie.” Tillerson called Trump a “moron” and said the president asked him to “violate the law.”

This is the most scathing verdict on a president ever delivered by his own appointees. It helps to explain why so many national security veterans are backing Biden. The former vice president has the endorsement of 780 retired military officers and national security appointees — nearly 12 times as many as Trump — including storied foreign policy hands, such as former undersecretary of state Nicholas Burns and former deputy secretary of state William J. Burns, who have worked for both Democrats and Republicans.

Even more impressively, the ranks of Biden endorsers include 129 Republicans — prominent ones. See, for example, former director of national intelligence and former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John Negroponte; former CIA and National Security Agency director Michael Hayden; former CIA and FBI director William Webster; and former undersecretaries of defense Dov Zakheim, Michael Vickers and Eric Edelman. It should tell you something that the Republican all-star team is batting for Biden.

So are the military all-stars. Biden has the support of more than 200 retired admirals and generals, including at least 22 four-stars. (Trump does not have the support of a single four-star flag officer.) Some of those officers are backing Biden after having served under Trump — most prominently Gen. Paul Selva, who served as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff until August 2019. Officers are usually reluctant to get involved in partisan politics, but the stakes are so high this time that many are speaking out.

The latest flag officer to support Biden is retired Adm. William H. McRaven, the former Special Operations commander who oversaw the mission that killed Osama bin Laden. “Truth be told,” he wrote in the Wall Street Journal on Monday, “I am a pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, small-government, strong-defense and a national-anthem-standing conservative.” But he also believes: “We need a president who understands the importance of American leadership, at home and abroad. We need a leader of integrity whose decency and sense of respect reflects the values we expect from our president. We need a president for all Americans, not just half of America.”

That’s a good summary of where things stand. Trump’s incompetence has exacerbated the covid-19 crisis, turning it into one of the largest mass-casualty events in U.S. history. Imagine what he would do if he were to win a second term and confront an equally grave foreign policy crisis. The national security veterans know it’s a risk we can’t run."

But sure, what's Hunter's story.

That list has to be taken with a grain of salt. If you notice every person on that list has been thoroughly raked over the coals at one time or another by our FLP friends on this forum. It is funny that when it is convenient to have them agreeing with you, they become loved and respected in the democrat community for their wise opinions. It is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. One general was even branded a coward on this forum just a few short days ago. I wonder if Biden is comfortable with a known coward supporting him?

The other way to see it is that people who were criticized for working for the Trump Admin by many on the left or Dems etc have since reported out their disgust with Trump, the danger he represents to the country.

To me, their prior conservative affiliations and work makes them all the more credible when they tell us their first hand views.

I think you are referring to Kelly as the one labelled a 'coward' because he has told his friends what he thinks but has not spoken up directly to all Americans. If he truly feels what he's reported to feel, then he owes a great duty to speak...and he was in a political appointment, not military role in this Admin. I don't know that 'coward' would be the right word, but certainly it's fair to criticize him squarely for not speaking up directly, taking whatever heat for doing so. Others have.

And it's fair to criticize Bolton for not going before Congress to tell what he knew, forcefully, during the impeachment process rather than waiting to tell it in a book.

[Matnum PI]

545 immigrant children. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status ... 68576?s=20