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I’m fully expecting Hopkins to go down this road.

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swat press release includes following terms "strict, participation, collaboration, physical education, robust offerings, mental health, meaningful and creative ways to engage team members". Their audience should be players and their families and that language suggests it's the no fun crowd. I remember visiting swarthmore and telling my mom this feels like a wealthy hippie commune, let's get the --ck out of here and it sounds like I was right.

"meaningful and creative ways to engage team members"-they going to read books to each other about lacrosse.

I don't even know what conference swarthmore competes in, but the big 10 and acc are going to have spring sports and the clock is ticking on our guys. If mlb/nfl teams, rutgers, maryland and penn state can find ways to get their players to safely compete if Hopkins isn't able to play I think it says a lot about the schools commitment to students and the athletics program in general. If you're a Hopkins alum, donor, or potential recruit and the school says we're not playing, the message to me would be, the school isn't invested anymore.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:44 am
51percentcorn wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:11 am
Jaysjay88 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:10 pm Perhaps the former Coach's ethnic heritage is a clue?
Are we really going there? I think I know how Tony and Paulie Walnuts feel about Columbus vs Indigenous Peoples Day but Petro? Who cares? It's a tiny tiny recruiting ploy. For all we know, any potential recruit from Long Island with a vowel at the end of his name got a private Happy Columbus Day e-mail. (that's a joke)

As far as Daniels and his input into on whether Hopkins participates in '21 season - it will be interesting to see what happens If there is a large resurgence of the virus in the winter - that's going to be a tough call. With virtually no TV revenue - it will be a much easier call to cut those sports for Spring '21 than football or basketball. You're noticing inch by inch - the stands at college football games are becoming more and more populated. "ol Einstein DeSantis in Florida is now allowing full capacity stadiums (though I guess university presidents are showing some restraint) but - 80,000 plus in Tallahassee, Gainesville - what could possibly go wrong?
For a little levity, SNL skit this past weekend:

https://digg.com/video/bill-burr-plays- ... oss-on-snl
So as the Mob became PC, the Diablos stuck to their knitting and were able to muscle in on the Mob's territory?
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44WeWantMore wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:20 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:44 am
51percentcorn wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:11 am
Jaysjay88 wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:10 pm Perhaps the former Coach's ethnic heritage is a clue?
Are we really going there? I think I know how Tony and Paulie Walnuts feel about Columbus vs Indigenous Peoples Day but Petro? Who cares? It's a tiny tiny recruiting ploy. For all we know, any potential recruit from Long Island with a vowel at the end of his name got a private Happy Columbus Day e-mail. (that's a joke)

As far as Daniels and his input into on whether Hopkins participates in '21 season - it will be interesting to see what happens If there is a large resurgence of the virus in the winter - that's going to be a tough call. With virtually no TV revenue - it will be a much easier call to cut those sports for Spring '21 than football or basketball. You're noticing inch by inch - the stands at college football games are becoming more and more populated. "ol Einstein DeSantis in Florida is now allowing full capacity stadiums (though I guess university presidents are showing some restraint) but - 80,000 plus in Tallahassee, Gainesville - what could possibly go wrong?
For a little levity, SNL skit this past weekend:

https://digg.com/video/bill-burr-plays- ... oss-on-snl
So as the Mob became PC, the Diablos stuck to their knitting and were able to muscle in on the Mob's territory?
:D That could be the takeaway...maybe next week, they'll do a Diablos skit...
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jhu06 wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:52 pm swat press release includes following terms "strict, participation, collaboration, physical education, robust offerings, mental health, meaningful and creative ways to engage team members". Their audience should be players and their families and that language suggests it's the no fun crowd. I remember visiting swarthmore and telling my mom this feels like a wealthy hippie commune, let's get the --ck out of here and it sounds like I was right.

"meaningful and creative ways to engage team members"-they going to read books to each other about lacrosse.

I don't even know what conference swarthmore competes in, but the big 10 and acc are going to have spring sports and the clock is ticking on our guys. If mlb/nfl teams, rutgers, maryland and penn state can find ways to get their players to safely compete if Hopkins isn't able to play I think it says a lot about the schools commitment to students and the athletics program in general. If you're a Hopkins alum, donor, or potential recruit and the school says we're not playing, the message to me would be, the school isn't invested anymore.
maybe.
Or maybe they actually know something about public health?
Seems to me that there are a whole bunch of super spreader events being held, and looks there will be such for the next 16 days or so, so I dunno, maybe the models on spread are going to prove right and this thing is about to get a heck of a lot worse these next 3-6 months.

sure hope not, but perhaps the actual experts in public health are telling the Hopkins Administration not to get locked into commitments to activities that would increase spread to the Hopkins faculty, staff, janitors, and surrounding community.

Stay flexible until we know more?

Now, 06, do I detect something of a pattern of negativity about Hopkins in general? Seems to be a pattern.
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Hopkins has announced Reunion Weekend/Homecoming will be completely virtual; April 29-May 2.
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DenverJay wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:35 pm Hopkins has announced Reunion Weekend/Homecoming will be completely virtual; April 29-May 2.
If rutgers, penn state, maryland, nfl and mlb can figure out how to play, Hopkins should be able to. As an alum I see the school putting all sorts of efforts into satisfying external actors, but the sport and the team mean things to the alumni and student body and it would be nice for once if they you knew did their jobs and threw some love that way. the disease hasn't infected and killed everyone, most of us who live in urban areas have been living with it for months now and you would think that our university as well as any other would be able to get kids able to play. as far as superspreaders, since when has hopkins been equated with madison wisconsin, texas austin etc. give me a break.

I get a press release from the school every month-we're building playgrounds with tuition money for east baltimore, we're hiring inclusion specialists who declare the school to be a bastion of racism, we're paying for private security that benefits the entire city that the Mayor gets to weigh in on, when does the undergrad student body/alumni well being come into play.

not one college student or college athlete has yet died from this disease. Time for the school to get out of the fetal position and figure out how to make this work.
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'06 - IMO this is where you can sometimes go off the rails. First off - you are (perhaps unintentionally) emulating a certain someone by stating a blatant inaccuracy. Jamain Stephens - a football player for California U in Pennsylvania - died from blood clot complications after contracting COVID (which apparently progressed to pneumonia). Yes he was an immense human being with the complication of a large body mass but he was a college athlete.

Second, this drives me crazy - people seem to think because the vast majority of high school/college age people will exhibit little or no symptoms then its OK for them to do whatever where the facts are a quarter of a million people have died from this virus in the United States and by all accounts another 150,000 will not be around to see March 1, 2021. To put that into a Hopkins context that would be approx. 40 Hopkins/Maryland games sold out in Homewood where everybody DIES. Healthy people with the virus can spread the virus.

So I don't have the right answer but to suggest that individuals and institutions that are being overly cautious and concerned about controlling the spread of this pandemic are somehow doing a disservice to the community at large is absurd. Alabama or Clemson or whomever isn't playing football for the students or the alumni - give me a break - they are doing it to save/gather whatever crumbs of revenue they can find because without the football money the athletic budgets go in the dumpster - so yes, students in non revenue sports benefit but that is an extremely small percentage of the student body. If you are attending Clemson because they have a great football team and that's all you care about - well then i can't help you.

No fan would like to watch a Johns Hopkins lacrosse game - either in person or online - more than me in 2021 but if the decision is made that it can't be done in a safe and controlled manner then it is what it is - it's a GAME.
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-I'm an evolution guy, a science guy, a mask, gloves, a support higher taxes for medical research and sanitizer guy.
-I'm a community guy, Hopkins has a big positive role to play in maryland and across the world. Find a better university alumni duo than wes moore and kyle harrison right now for positive unifying change. You can't.
-But at a certain point the school has to be able to say, you know what, if baseball teams run by jocks with high school educations from foreign lands can fly players around the country all summer safely and get grown men on board then the worlds leading medical and research institution can find a way for 60 18-22 year old boys and staff to play lacrosse and get an elite global education.
-Our rivals are going to play and the question is going to be punted back to the administration, how can the rest of d1 figure this out but YOU can't. You would think that other schools, cities, nations would be looking to us and probably already are to understand how to make this possible.
-someone smart will look up past pandemics and when Hopkins lacrosse had seasons and see what they did.
-51 you're right. Maryland couldn't hydrate its players so one died, notre dame thought it was smart to put a kid up on a 30 foot tall camera stand in a windstorm to videotape some practice and he died, we know about penn state, we know about 6 figure paid trainers at iowa and the student athletes whose parents aren't given the resources to watch their sons play in bowl games, we know about the north carolina tutoring stuff, there isn't enough kids and staff first mentality all the time in college sports. Homewood can do this. If it wants to.
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DenverJay wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:35 pm Hopkins has announced Reunion Weekend/Homecoming will be completely virtual; April 29-May 2.
I was asked to be on my reunion year's committee about a month ago. I said they were wasting their time because there is no way the school is going to have a reunion. Anyone that would attend something like this might as well just tattoo a big L on their forehead.
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51percentcorn wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:11 am With virtually no TV revenue - it will be a much easier call to cut those sports for Spring '21 than football or basketball. You're noticing inch by inch - the stands at college football games are becoming more and more populated. "ol Einstein DeSantis in Florida is now allowing full capacity stadiums (though I guess university presidents are showing some restraint) but - 80,000 plus in Tallahassee, Gainesville - what could possibly go wrong?
ESPN2 had a high school football game from Valdosta Georgia - stands were packed and no masks - last Friday night. I just check and the county is averaging about 18 positive cases/day in a county of about 130K. It will be interesting to see what happens. My guess nothing because of Hope-Simpson curves. But, I guess we will see. I'll check back in a week to see if it changes.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:31 pm
44WeWantMore wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:54 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:13 am re financial aid, I think wgdsr's posts are quite accurate and helpful.

I don't think there has been a change in any of this because of the coaching swap out, just that the Bloomberg money is kicking into gear. That was the dramatic change re financial aid, not how the Admin feels about the coaches. Timing is coincidental.

It's indeed complicated, especially with all the uncertainty about who will actually be on rosters this year and next, however over the long haul Hopkins will have a significant advantage versus most peers.

They will have Ivy-level need based financial aid for those who do need significant support PLUS 12.6 for those with relatively little need. They can't mix, but what this means is that far more total $ can be supporting this group.

However, I think that the coaches can't commit the need-based dollars. That needs to come through the Financial Aid office just like the Ivy process. If I'm correct on this part and Hopkins does it like the Ivies, those aid decisions happen after Admissions make a decision. The Coach can point an applicant family at an aid calculator, but he needs to tell the family he can't make the call himself. They need to discuss it with the Aid office, and they typically will not make a firm offer until after Admissions has made their decision.

Over time, confidence will build about how those decisions play out, ala very generously in the Ivies, but the family doesn't have 100% assurance until later.

Hopkins isn't bound by the Ivy process which is based on mutual agreement and commitments within that league, but I suspect that Hopkins will err to this sort of "need-blind" process to maintain the 12.6 scholarships and to keep their faculty satisfied.

There's already some tension about the academic readiness of the men's lax recruits versus the rest of the athletes, and even more tension relative to the overall student body. The gap is much more significant today than it is at Ivies.

I'd think that might tighten some over the next decade. But perhaps not.
I'd think that the Bloomberg money will help.

The slaps at the MIAA recruits remain silly, whether referring to Quint's biases or reflecting someone else's. Way, way too many players out of the MIAA have been top flight AA college players, at every position, over the past decade for anyone to be pooh poohing the MIAA is general...we've been through this way too many times.

At Hopkins, very highly touted recruits from all over the country did not have college careers that met the pre arrival hype. A few have, many haven't. That's simply factual. Unrelated to any league in specific.

That's recruiting and it's development and team culture.
And it's the hype machine, especially the excess exuberance during the Early Recruiting mess.
True, but maybe a more relevant comparison would be JHU Lax to Ivy Football. As you know, Lax is to Hopkins as Football is to most of the Ivies. Even if Cornell lax fans argue that they are an exception to the rule, they also support a first-class Ice Hockey team.
I'm not sure I follow. Certainly Hopkins has traditionally considered men's lax very differently than its DIII sports, huge legacy. Really no comparison to any other program/school in the country IMO.

I don't think the Ivies, even in my era of late '70's when stadiums were frequently packed, would be comparable in comparing football as equivalently important as lacrosse has been for Hopkins. Perhaps if you go further back...

However, are you suggesting that the Ivy football teams have AI levels, and gaps from the rest of the student bodies, akin to Hop men's lax?

You may not be aware of the academic #'s on those football teams. Pretty darn high. I had a chuckle today listening to the announcers talk about Miami QB Fitzgerald and his Wonderlic score of 48 in nine minutes...Kyle Juszczyk is a very smart cat as well...fullback!

My son had many friends on the Harvard football team, ice hockey team, lots of the athletes, men and women...he said there were only a handful of recruits in any given year on the football team that were really stretching the AI zone, most were very much equipped for the academics. And those few often met other criteria as well on attributes that made them attractive to the school, over achievement relative to socioeconomics etc. Not really a surprise as, at least since the early '70's when Dartmouth won the Lambert Trophy, Ivy football doesn't attract nor seek many NFL destination oriented players...except those with a lot of academic horsepower.

Traditionally, the hockey teams do have some of the lower AI's of any of the Ivy teams, football, because so large a squad, has a full range, as do the lax teams...those men's sports are all helped out by the fencing team, the crew team, and pretty generally all the women's teams!

I hope no one will interpret anything I'm saying as being judgmental about what any school chooses to emphasize, nor hear any aspersions about athletes who are less academically oriented than the next. I happen to believe that sports can be tremendous educational and personal growth opportunities and student-athletes can often outperform in life, in leadership in various fields, those who score highest academic #'s. I'm all for a good mix.

I'm simply saying that Hopkins is definitely one of the very top academic schools in the nation, with a very strong international brand, and is, and will continue to be, attracting a more and more competitive student body from all over the world. I'd simply recommend that a coaching staff utilize that reality as much as they can rather than straining against it.

I don't know whether that will be the path taken by this staff, but it's certainly an opportunity.

Right now, though, I'm just hoping kids get to play in 2021!
Beat COVID. Terps come next. ;)
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Sounds like there was a good chance both Pietramala boys would have been at Hopkins if their dad was still employed per US Lax Mag
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jhu06 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:41 pm
-But at a certain point the school has to be able to say, you know what, if baseball teams run by jocks with high school educations from foreign lands can fly players around the country all summer safely and get grown men on board then the worlds leading medical and research institution can find a way for 60 18-22 year old boys and staff to play lacrosse and get an elite global education.
-Our rivals are going to play and the question is going to be punted back to the administration, how can the rest of d1 figure this out but YOU can't. You would think that other schools, cities, nations would be looking to us and probably already are to understand how to make this possible.
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RumorMill wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:24 pm
jhu06 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:41 pm
-But at a certain point the school has to be able to say, you know what, if baseball teams run by jocks with high school educations from foreign lands can fly players around the country all summer safely and get grown men on board then the worlds leading medical and research institution can find a way for 60 18-22 year old boys and staff to play lacrosse and get an elite global education.
-Our rivals are going to play and the question is going to be punted back to the administration, how can the rest of d1 figure this out but YOU can't. You would think that other schools, cities, nations would be looking to us and probably already are to understand how to make this possible.
+1
+2 Also, those HS educated jocks probably hired someone with many/most of the same credentials and experience as many members of JHU's faculty to help in figuring it out.
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-The school constantly stresses community. We need to raise tuition on students to pay for playgrounds for non hopkins people in east baltimore for community. We need to let the mayor weigh in on Hop cops for community, we need to get rid of hop cops because they're bad for the community, we need to do xyz for community. Well the players, their parents and alumni who care about the team are part of that community and when the rest of the conference and the rivals can figure it out and the school won't try it says that they're not interested in all parts of the community.


-The university has taken an awful lot of shots at students and alumni lately. Getting rid of alumni preference in admissions was a big one-something that none of our peers have done and most encourage because they realize what alumni bring. The new diversity directors comments, without stepping a foot on campus, painting the Hopkins community as alabama 1933 were terrible and offensive. There are an awful lot of student groups from the youth tutoring to the frats who worked hard and engaged with Baltimore. No institution in the state of maryland does more for underprivileged baltimore than hopkins and it's not even close. Milliman, Grant, the players have worked awfully hard and faced a lot of adversity and the school has the resources, talent and obligation to lead and make this season happen.

-The IL piece on the Petros was one of the best they've done. Delicate subject that showcased the kids well and yes sounded like they were headed for homewood.
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:D ;)
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:07 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:31 pm
44WeWantMore wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:54 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:13 am re financial aid, I think wgdsr's posts are quite accurate and helpful.

I don't think there has been a change in any of this because of the coaching swap out, just that the Bloomberg money is kicking into gear. That was the dramatic change re financial aid, not how the Admin feels about the coaches. Timing is coincidental.

It's indeed complicated, especially with all the uncertainty about who will actually be on rosters this year and next, however over the long haul Hopkins will have a significant advantage versus most peers.

They will have Ivy-level need based financial aid for those who do need significant support PLUS 12.6 for those with relatively little need. They can't mix, but what this means is that far more total $ can be supporting this group.

However, I think that the coaches can't commit the need-based dollars. That needs to come through the Financial Aid office just like the Ivy process. If I'm correct on this part and Hopkins does it like the Ivies, those aid decisions happen after Admissions make a decision. The Coach can point an applicant family at an aid calculator, but he needs to tell the family he can't make the call himself. They need to discuss it with the Aid office, and they typically will not make a firm offer until after Admissions has made their decision.

Over time, confidence will build about how those decisions play out, ala very generously in the Ivies, but the family doesn't have 100% assurance until later.

Hopkins isn't bound by the Ivy process which is based on mutual agreement and commitments within that league, but I suspect that Hopkins will err to this sort of "need-blind" process to maintain the 12.6 scholarships and to keep their faculty satisfied.

There's already some tension about the academic readiness of the men's lax recruits versus the rest of the athletes, and even more tension relative to the overall student body. The gap is much more significant today than it is at Ivies.

I'd think that might tighten some over the next decade. But perhaps not.
I'd think that the Bloomberg money will help.

The slaps at the MIAA recruits remain silly, whether referring to Quint's biases or reflecting someone else's. Way, way too many players out of the MIAA have been top flight AA college players, at every position, over the past decade for anyone to be pooh poohing the MIAA is general...we've been through this way too many times.

At Hopkins, very highly touted recruits from all over the country did not have college careers that met the pre arrival hype. A few have, many haven't. That's simply factual. Unrelated to any league in specific.

That's recruiting and it's development and team culture.
And it's the hype machine, especially the excess exuberance during the Early Recruiting mess.
True, but maybe a more relevant comparison would be JHU Lax to Ivy Football. As you know, Lax is to Hopkins as Football is to most of the Ivies. Even if Cornell lax fans argue that they are an exception to the rule, they also support a first-class Ice Hockey team.
I'm not sure I follow. Certainly Hopkins has traditionally considered men's lax very differently than its DIII sports, huge legacy. Really no comparison to any other program/school in the country IMO.

I don't think the Ivies, even in my era of late '70's when stadiums were frequently packed, would be comparable in comparing football as equivalently important as lacrosse has been for Hopkins. Perhaps if you go further back...

However, are you suggesting that the Ivy football teams have AI levels, and gaps from the rest of the student bodies, akin to Hop men's lax?

You may not be aware of the academic #'s on those football teams. Pretty darn high. I had a chuckle today listening to the announcers talk about Miami QB Fitzgerald and his Wonderlic score of 48 in nine minutes...Kyle Juszczyk is a very smart cat as well...fullback!

My son had many friends on the Harvard football team, ice hockey team, lots of the athletes, men and women...he said there were only a handful of recruits in any given year on the football team that were really stretching the AI zone, most were very much equipped for the academics. And those few often met other criteria as well on attributes that made them attractive to the school, over achievement relative to socioeconomics etc. Not really a surprise as, at least since the early '70's when Dartmouth won the Lambert Trophy, Ivy football doesn't attract nor seek many NFL destination oriented players...except those with a lot of academic horsepower.

Traditionally, the hockey teams do have some of the lower AI's of any of the Ivy teams, football, because so large a squad, has a full range, as do the lax teams...those men's sports are all helped out by the fencing team, the crew team, and pretty generally all the women's teams!

I hope no one will interpret anything I'm saying as being judgmental about what any school chooses to emphasize, nor hear any aspersions about athletes who are less academically oriented than the next. I happen to believe that sports can be tremendous educational and personal growth opportunities and student-athletes can often outperform in life, in leadership in various fields, those who score highest academic #'s. I'm all for a good mix.

I'm simply saying that Hopkins is definitely one of the very top academic schools in the nation, with a very strong international brand, and is, and will continue to be, attracting a more and more competitive student body from all over the world. I'd simply recommend that a coaching staff utilize that reality as much as they can rather than straining against it.

I don't know whether that will be the path taken by this staff, but it's certainly an opportunity.

Right now, though, I'm just hoping kids get to play in 2021!
Beat COVID. Terps come next. ;)
AI?

There’s been a discussion of the Artificial Intelligence of college athletes?
Academic Index.
An agreed upon common algorithm of test scores, grades, etc.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:38 pm :D ;)
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:07 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:31 pm
44WeWantMore wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:54 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:13 am re financial aid, I think wgdsr's posts are quite accurate and helpful.

I don't think there has been a change in any of this because of the coaching swap out, just that the Bloomberg money is kicking into gear. That was the dramatic change re financial aid, not how the Admin feels about the coaches. Timing is coincidental.

It's indeed complicated, especially with all the uncertainty about who will actually be on rosters this year and next, however over the long haul Hopkins will have a significant advantage versus most peers.

They will have Ivy-level need based financial aid for those who do need significant support PLUS 12.6 for those with relatively little need. They can't mix, but what this means is that far more total $ can be supporting this group.

However, I think that the coaches can't commit the need-based dollars. That needs to come through the Financial Aid office just like the Ivy process. If I'm correct on this part and Hopkins does it like the Ivies, those aid decisions happen after Admissions make a decision. The Coach can point an applicant family at an aid calculator, but he needs to tell the family he can't make the call himself. They need to discuss it with the Aid office, and they typically will not make a firm offer until after Admissions has made their decision.

Over time, confidence will build about how those decisions play out, ala very generously in the Ivies, but the family doesn't have 100% assurance until later.

Hopkins isn't bound by the Ivy process which is based on mutual agreement and commitments within that league, but I suspect that Hopkins will err to this sort of "need-blind" process to maintain the 12.6 scholarships and to keep their faculty satisfied.

There's already some tension about the academic readiness of the men's lax recruits versus the rest of the athletes, and even more tension relative to the overall student body. The gap is much more significant today than it is at Ivies.

I'd think that might tighten some over the next decade. But perhaps not.
I'd think that the Bloomberg money will help.

The slaps at the MIAA recruits remain silly, whether referring to Quint's biases or reflecting someone else's. Way, way too many players out of the MIAA have been top flight AA college players, at every position, over the past decade for anyone to be pooh poohing the MIAA is general...we've been through this way too many times.

At Hopkins, very highly touted recruits from all over the country did not have college careers that met the pre arrival hype. A few have, many haven't. That's simply factual. Unrelated to any league in specific.

That's recruiting and it's development and team culture.
And it's the hype machine, especially the excess exuberance during the Early Recruiting mess.
True, but maybe a more relevant comparison would be JHU Lax to Ivy Football. As you know, Lax is to Hopkins as Football is to most of the Ivies. Even if Cornell lax fans argue that they are an exception to the rule, they also support a first-class Ice Hockey team.
I'm not sure I follow. Certainly Hopkins has traditionally considered men's lax very differently than its DIII sports, huge legacy. Really no comparison to any other program/school in the country IMO.

I don't think the Ivies, even in my era of late '70's when stadiums were frequently packed, would be comparable in comparing football as equivalently important as lacrosse has been for Hopkins. Perhaps if you go further back...

However, are you suggesting that the Ivy football teams have AI levels, and gaps from the rest of the student bodies, akin to Hop men's lax?

You may not be aware of the academic #'s on those football teams. Pretty darn high. I had a chuckle today listening to the announcers talk about Miami QB Fitzgerald and his Wonderlic score of 48 in nine minutes...Kyle Juszczyk is a very smart cat as well...fullback!

My son had many friends on the Harvard football team, ice hockey team, lots of the athletes, men and women...he said there were only a handful of recruits in any given year on the football team that were really stretching the AI zone, most were very much equipped for the academics. And those few often met other criteria as well on attributes that made them attractive to the school, over achievement relative to socioeconomics etc. Not really a surprise as, at least since the early '70's when Dartmouth won the Lambert Trophy, Ivy football doesn't attract nor seek many NFL destination oriented players...except those with a lot of academic horsepower.

Traditionally, the hockey teams do have some of the lower AI's of any of the Ivy teams, football, because so large a squad, has a full range, as do the lax teams...those men's sports are all helped out by the fencing team, the crew team, and pretty generally all the women's teams!

I hope no one will interpret anything I'm saying as being judgmental about what any school chooses to emphasize, nor hear any aspersions about athletes who are less academically oriented than the next. I happen to believe that sports can be tremendous educational and personal growth opportunities and student-athletes can often outperform in life, in leadership in various fields, those who score highest academic #'s. I'm all for a good mix.

I'm simply saying that Hopkins is definitely one of the very top academic schools in the nation, with a very strong international brand, and is, and will continue to be, attracting a more and more competitive student body from all over the world. I'd simply recommend that a coaching staff utilize that reality as much as they can rather than straining against it.

I don't know whether that will be the path taken by this staff, but it's certainly an opportunity.

Right now, though, I'm just hoping kids get to play in 2021!
Beat COVID. Terps come next. ;)
AI?

There’s been a discussion of the Artificial Intelligence of college athletes?
:D ;)
Academic Index.
An agreed upon common algorithm of test scores, grades, etc.
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Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

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Would it have been wise to keep Petro and Dawn for two years to get their sons?
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