All things CoronaVirus

[DocBarrister]

From Vanity Fair:

Donald Trump’s erratic and reckless behavior in the last 24 hours has opened a rift in the Trump family over how to rein in the out-of-control president, according to two Republicans briefed on the family conversations. Sources said Donald Trump Jr. is deeply upset by his father’s decision to drive around Walter Reed National Military Medical Center last night with members of the Secret Service while he was infected with COVID-19. “Don Jr. thinks Trump is acting crazy,” one of the sources told me. The stunt outraged medical experts, including an attending physician at Walter Reed.

According to sources, Don Jr. has told friends that he tried lobbying Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner to convince the president that he needs to stop acting unstable. “Don Jr. has said he wants to stage an intervention, but Jared and Ivanka keep telling Trump how great he’s doing,” a source said. Don Jr. is said to be reluctant to confront his father alone. “Don said, ‘I’m not going to be the only one to tell him he’s acting crazy,’” the source added.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10 ... popular4-1

DocBarrister

[Typical Lax Dad]

From Vanity Fair:

Donald Trump’s erratic and reckless behavior in the last 24 hours has opened a rift in the Trump family over how to rein in the out-of-control president, according to two Republicans briefed on the family conversations. Sources said Donald Trump Jr. is deeply upset by his father’s decision to drive around Walter Reed National Military Medical Center last night with members of the Secret Service while he was infected with COVID-19. “Don Jr. thinks Trump is acting crazy,” one of the sources told me. The stunt outraged medical experts, including an attending physician at Walter Reed.

According to sources, Don Jr. has told friends that he tried lobbying Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner to convince the president that he needs to stop acting unstable. “Don Jr. has said he wants to stage an intervention, but Jared and Ivanka keep telling Trump how great he’s doing,” a source said. Don Jr. is said to be reluctant to confront his father alone. “Don said, ‘I’m not going to be the only one to tell him he’s acting crazy,’” the source added.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10 ... popular4-1

DocBarrister

“Acting” ?

[youthathletics]

Come on down Kayleigh McGaslight!

C+ for you.

PS - looking increasingly like Trump himself was the source for many of these infections.

Just announced two of her deputies also now positive. Likely more positives to come

Looking like the herd mentality in the West Wing ("we don't need no stinking masks") could soon lead to herd immunity.

Nice science experiment they are running there.

Herd Resistance/Tolerance...not Immunity.

I don’t quite get your take on this. Read the review. You think the way out is tolerance? Basically a lower viral effect with a higher load. We “tolerate” the pathogen better? I don’t see how that will happen without significant genetic shift. Any insight into that?

Not the way out, but a light at the end of tunnel.

Something is amiss IMO, and it may very well have nothing to do with the virus at its earlier/initial strongest. We all agree we are not yet at Herd Immunity, yet our entire country, for the most part, has agreed to open up and begin getting busy....allowing more, without a major concern of re-0ccurance by out health professionals.

By arguing there is an in-between of "immunity" and "pandemic status"....there must be (a) 'current' version(s) of the virus that are either not as strong or our 'resistance' to fight is being established.

I yield to people smarter than me on this stuff....like yourself, but statistically, something is taking place that has minimized the original peril of contracting this thing.

[wgdsr]

a bit of strange take you've had here, a fan. unless... your suggestion is if cdc doesn't do what trump and co. want, they should fire as many people as they need to and install people who will?

No. Pete-----and FoxNation, frankly----are blaming "the libs" for shutdowns.

Nope. Governors are simply following CDC guidelines set out months ago when this mess got really rolling. And who runs the CDC?

Trump. So my point is simple: blame the actual people making the call on shutdowns.

Pete---and others----are saying the virus is no big deal. Great. Then tell Trump and his CDC to communicate that idea to America, and America's governors.

That's how it works.

but restrictions aren't all strictly based on cdc guidelines. first of all, bc that would be impossible as they don't address every little detail. governor orders don't either, but they address some and are taking others on the fly.

restrictions are also all over the place per state, maybe depending on the political bent as much or more than the numbers. and that doesn't even touch on whatever every indiv organization is doing, public or private (or socialist ).

if your point is trump hasn't done everything he can to "open it up"... agreed.

[njbill]

From Vanity Fair:

Donald Trump’s erratic and reckless behavior in the last 24 hours has opened a rift in the Trump family over how to rein in the out-of-control president, according to two Republicans briefed on the family conversations. Sources said Donald Trump Jr. is deeply upset by his father’s decision to drive around Walter Reed National Military Medical Center last night with members of the Secret Service while he was infected with COVID-19. “Don Jr. thinks Trump is acting crazy,” one of the sources told me. The stunt outraged medical experts, including an attending physician at Walter Reed.

According to sources, Don Jr. has told friends that he tried lobbying Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner to convince the president that he needs to stop acting unstable. “Don Jr. has said he wants to stage an intervention, but Jared and Ivanka keep telling Trump how great he’s doing,” a source said. Don Jr. is said to be reluctant to confront his father alone. “Don said, ‘I’m not going to be the only one to tell him he’s acting crazy,’” the source added.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10 ... popular4-1

DocBarrister

You know the Old Man must be off his rocker if Junior
is saying he is crazy.

[jhu72]

Another Barrett event related CV case. At least this pastor has his head on straight and is reacting and drawing the proper conclusion. Rona is serious!

[wgdsr]

From Vanity Fair:

Donald Trump’s erratic and reckless behavior in the last 24 hours has opened a rift in the Trump family over how to rein in the out-of-control president, according to two Republicans briefed on the family conversations. Sources said Donald Trump Jr. is deeply upset by his father’s decision to drive around Walter Reed National Military Medical Center last night with members of the Secret Service while he was infected with COVID-19. “Don Jr. thinks Trump is acting crazy,” one of the sources told me. The stunt outraged medical experts, including an attending physician at Walter Reed.

According to sources, Don Jr. has told friends that he tried lobbying Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner to convince the president that he needs to stop acting unstable. “Don Jr. has said he wants to stage an intervention, but Jared and Ivanka keep telling Trump how great he’s doing,” a source said. Don Jr. is said to be reluctant to confront his father alone. “Don said, ‘I’m not going to be the only one to tell him he’s acting crazy,’” the source added.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10 ... popular4-1

DocBarrister

You know the Old Man must be off his rocker if Junior
is saying he is crazy.

this might be the story i most need attribution for to believe.

[njbill]

Another Barrett event related CV case. At least this pastor has his head on straight and is reacting and drawing the proper conclusion. Rona is serious!

I’m starting to think that Barrett is the super spreader.

[wgdsr]

Another Barrett event related CV case. At least this pastor has his head on straight and is reacting and drawing the proper conclusion. Rona is serious!

I’m starting to think that Barrett is the super spreader.

let's get a rating on the law school hot scale, nj.
future scotus nominee... politics aside... she's in your torts class at age 26... possible super spreader catholic girl....

[a fan]

but restrictions aren't all strictly based on cdc guidelines.

No, they aren't. There are States that are tighter, and States that are looser.

But no matter how you want to interpret the CDC guidelines? They are 100% NOT telling Governors to go wide open with no restrictions, as Pete and FoxNation are suggesting.

So there's your windmill. Tilt at it.

if your point is trump hasn't done everything he can to "open it up"... agreed.

That's my exact point, yes.

But some here----and in particular, Pete----would rather eat a bowl of buckshot than criticize Trump and the little R by his name. So he blames everyone else, instead.

As for me? I've said the same thing from the word go: there is no right move in terms of lockdown/open. It doesn't exist. So I'm not blaming Trump, my own Governor Polis, or Pete's favorite Gov with a R by his name. They're all doing their level best. No one wants death. No one wants economic damage.

[jhu72]

From Vanity Fair:

Donald Trump’s erratic and reckless behavior in the last 24 hours has opened a rift in the Trump family over how to rein in the out-of-control president, according to two Republicans briefed on the family conversations. Sources said Donald Trump Jr. is deeply upset by his father’s decision to drive around Walter Reed National Military Medical Center last night with members of the Secret Service while he was infected with COVID-19. “Don Jr. thinks Trump is acting crazy,” one of the sources told me. The stunt outraged medical experts, including an attending physician at Walter Reed.

According to sources, Don Jr. has told friends that he tried lobbying Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner to convince the president that he needs to stop acting unstable. “Don Jr. has said he wants to stage an intervention, but Jared and Ivanka keep telling Trump how great he’s doing,” a source said. Don Jr. is said to be reluctant to confront his father alone. “Don said, ‘I’m not going to be the only one to tell him he’s acting crazy,’” the source added.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10 ... popular4-1

DocBarrister

You know the Old Man must be off his rocker if Junior
is saying he is crazy.

this might be the story i most need attribution for to believe.

It is definitely out of character for Donnie Junior. Frankly, the few photos I have seen of him the past week, he looks like sh!t. Seemed worried, I attributed that to the fact that things are starting to come down around their ears pretty rapidly.

[Peter Brown]

From Vanity Fair:

Donald Trump’s erratic and reckless behavior in the last 24 hours has opened a rift in the Trump family over how to rein in the out-of-control president, according to two Republicans briefed on the family conversations. Sources said Donald Trump Jr. is deeply upset by his father’s decision to drive around Walter Reed National Military Medical Center last night with members of the Secret Service while he was infected with COVID-19. “Don Jr. thinks Trump is acting crazy,” one of the sources told me. The stunt outraged medical experts, including an attending physician at Walter Reed.

According to sources, Don Jr. has told friends that he tried lobbying Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner to convince the president that he needs to stop acting unstable. “Don Jr. has said he wants to stage an intervention, but Jared and Ivanka keep telling Trump how great he’s doing,” a source said. Don Jr. is said to be reluctant to confront his father alone. “Don said, ‘I’m not going to be the only one to tell him he’s acting crazy,’” the source added.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10 ... popular4-1

DocBarrister

You know the Old Man must be off his rocker if Junior
is saying he is crazy.

this might be the story i most need attribution for to believe.

It is definitely out of character for Donnie Junior. Frankly, the few photos I have seen of him the past week, he looks like sh!t. Seemed worried, I attributed that to the fact that things are starting to come down around their ears pretty rapidly.

On Sunday, Olivia Nuzzi (hardly a Tea Party member) led a parade of journalists mocking Gabe Sherman for being a tin hat conspiracy lunatic who invents sources to post stories which never come true.

Yet you loons believe him.

jfc, the Left is demented.

[a fan]

You think "massive" blame goes to Trump? Really?

Yep. So does the rest of the free world, and apparently that's escaped your attention. Read a British Paper for a change of pace. Trump isn't some boob in a mall yelling at kids. He's got the biggest megaphone in the world, and he's using it to change American culture. I have no clue how you don't see this, but okie-dokie.

It has nothing to do with the divisiveness and in your face attitude of the left's politics in the past 9 years?

Right. I'm told that FoxNation, Hannity, Rush L, and Co. all shut down, and didn't broadcast for the last 9 years. Is that true?

Which conveserly also coincided with the rise in social media the past 9 years?

And social media only exists on the left? Come on. Just stop.

You are blaming just Trump for something that has happened to the culture 10 years ago

Nope. You completely ignored what I wrote, Kram. Yep. I blamed Trump. But moreover, I blamed partisans for where we are. And I'm right.

Partisans gave Hillary a pass for her dangerous email server, and corruption of the Clinton Foundation.

Partisans gave and give Biden a pass for the racist nonsense that's come out of his mouth for so many years.

And yep, Partisans let Trump say anything----no matter how gross-------and gave him their full approval. So his behavior and corruption gets worse with each passing day.

And you're trying to tell me that Trump hasn't had a negative effect on American culture, and how we interact with one another? That's the silliest suggestion you've ever made.

Still all you see is Orange Man Bad. That isnt the root of this problem. Try shining your "flashlight of truth" at the left for a change...

I did, but you skimmed right over it because (horrors) I blamed Trump for something. And you won't have that, now will you?

Funny thing is? As far as I've seen? I've praised Trump policies more than YOU have. And yet you're throwing the Orange Man Bad nonsense at me? He's the leader of our government. We're SUPPOSED to criticize him, remember? When did you turn into such a pro-government zealot that you decided that your fellow citizens were insane when they held our leaders accountable for what they say and do?

[a fan]

On Sunday, Olivia Nuzzi (hardly a Tea Party member) led a parade of journalists mocking Gabe Sherman for being a tin hat conspiracy lunatic who invents sources to post stories which never come true.

Yet you loons believe him.

Oh, totally.

They should instead, use your most trusted source, Pete: "some guy on the internet".

He'll never let you down, Pete!

[njbill]

Another Barrett event related CV case. At least this pastor has his head on straight and is reacting and drawing the proper conclusion. Rona is serious!

I’m starting to think that Barrett is the super spreader.

let's get a rating on the law school hot scale, nj.
future scotus nominee... politics aside... she's in your torts class at age 26... possible super spreader catholic girl....

Haha. I was wondering whether she was the super spreader in the viral sense, not the good Catholic girl sense. You’ll have to ask her law school classmate hubby.

[jhu72]

From Vanity Fair:

Donald Trump’s erratic and reckless behavior in the last 24 hours has opened a rift in the Trump family over how to rein in the out-of-control president, according to two Republicans briefed on the family conversations. Sources said Donald Trump Jr. is deeply upset by his father’s decision to drive around Walter Reed National Military Medical Center last night with members of the Secret Service while he was infected with COVID-19. “Don Jr. thinks Trump is acting crazy,” one of the sources told me. The stunt outraged medical experts, including an attending physician at Walter Reed.

According to sources, Don Jr. has told friends that he tried lobbying Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Jared Kushner to convince the president that he needs to stop acting unstable. “Don Jr. has said he wants to stage an intervention, but Jared and Ivanka keep telling Trump how great he’s doing,” a source said. Don Jr. is said to be reluctant to confront his father alone. “Don said, ‘I’m not going to be the only one to tell him he’s acting crazy,’” the source added.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10 ... popular4-1

DocBarrister

You know the Old Man must be off his rocker if Junior
is saying he is crazy.

this might be the story i most need attribution for to believe.

It is definitely out of character for Donnie Junior. Frankly, the few photos I have seen of him the past week, he looks like sh!t. Seemed worried, I attributed that to the fact that things are starting to come down around their ears pretty rapidly.

On Sunday, Olivia Nuzzi (hardly a Tea Party member) led a parade of journalists mocking Gabe Sherman for being a tin hat conspiracy lunatic who invents sources to post stories which never come true.

Yet you loons believe him.

jfc, the Left is demented.

... any word on when those 100 pushups will be performed?? I want to clear my schedule.

[Bart]

Come on down Kayleigh McGaslight!

C+ for you.

PS - looking increasingly like Trump himself was the source for many of these infections.

Just announced two of her deputies also now positive. Likely more positives to come

Looking like the herd mentality in the West Wing ("we don't need no stinking masks") could soon lead to herd immunity.

Nice science experiment they are running there.

Herd Resistance/Tolerance...not Immunity.

I don’t quite get your take on this. Read the review. You think the way out is tolerance? Basically a lower viral effect with a higher load. We “tolerate” the pathogen better? I don’t see how that will happen without significant genetic shift. Any insight into that?

Not the way out, but a light at the end of tunnel.

Something is amiss IMO, and it may very well have nothing to do with the virus at its earlier/initial strongest. We all agree we are not yet at Herd Immunity, yet our entire country, for the most part, has agreed to open up and begin getting busy....allowing more, without a major concern of re-0ccurance by out health professionals.

By arguing there is an in-between of "immunity" and "pandemic status"....there must be (a) 'current' version(s) of the virus that are either not as strong or our 'resistance' to fight is being established.

I yield to people smarter than me on this stuff....like yourself, but statistically, something is taking place that has minimized the original peril of contracting this thing.

I have not seen any data that suggests the virulance of the thing has decreased. It may be as simple as treatment regimens are better.

[Peter Brown]

Come on down Kayleigh McGaslight!

C+ for you.

PS - looking increasingly like Trump himself was the source for many of these infections.

Just announced two of her deputies also now positive. Likely more positives to come

Looking like the herd mentality in the West Wing ("we don't need no stinking masks") could soon lead to herd immunity.

Nice science experiment they are running there.

Herd Resistance/Tolerance...not Immunity.

I don’t quite get your take on this. Read the review. You think the way out is tolerance? Basically a lower viral effect with a higher load. We “tolerate” the pathogen better? I don’t see how that will happen without significant genetic shift. Any insight into that?

Not the way out, but a light at the end of tunnel.

Something is amiss IMO, and it may very well have nothing to do with the virus at its earlier/initial strongest. We all agree we are not yet at Herd Immunity, yet our entire country, for the most part, has agreed to open up and begin getting busy....allowing more, without a major concern of re-0ccurance by out health professionals.

By arguing there is an in-between of "immunity" and "pandemic status"....there must be (a) 'current' version(s) of the virus that are either not as strong or our 'resistance' to fight is being established.

I yield to people smarter than me on this stuff....like yourself, but statistically, something is taking place that has minimized the original peril of contracting this thing.

I have not seen any data that suggests the virulance of the thing has decreased. It may be as simple as treatment regimens are better.

Viruses always die out on their own.

Open up.

[Peter Brown]

DON’T BE AFRAID OF COVID!!

[Bart]

Come on down Kayleigh McGaslight!

C+ for you.

PS - looking increasingly like Trump himself was the source for many of these infections.

Just announced two of her deputies also now positive. Likely more positives to come

Looking like the herd mentality in the West Wing ("we don't need no stinking masks") could soon lead to herd immunity.

Nice science experiment they are running there.

Herd Resistance/Tolerance...not Immunity.

I don’t quite get your take on this. Read the review. You think the way out is tolerance? Basically a lower viral effect with a higher load. We “tolerate” the pathogen better? I don’t see how that will happen without significant genetic shift. Any insight into that?

Not the way out, but a light at the end of tunnel.

Something is amiss IMO, and it may very well have nothing to do with the virus at its earlier/initial strongest. We all agree we are not yet at Herd Immunity, yet our entire country, for the most part, has agreed to open up and begin getting busy....allowing more, without a major concern of re-0ccurance by out health professionals.

By arguing there is an in-between of "immunity" and "pandemic status"....there must be (a) 'current' version(s) of the virus that are either not as strong or our 'resistance' to fight is being established.

I yield to people smarter than me on this stuff....like yourself, but statistically, something is taking place that has minimized the original peril of contracting this thing.

I have not seen any data that suggests the virulance of the thing has decreased. It may be as simple as treatment regimens are better.

Viruses always die out on their own.

Open up.

What the heck are you talking about. No viruses do not always die out on their own. Where the fzuck do you come up with this sczhit.