Johns Hopkins 2021

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

It’s not like one of these factors is considered in the total absence of all others either.


But what Bilderback and Scotty seemed to be saying, as I would interpret it, out of all those factors, size can be a huge advantage.

Yes, and huge advantage isn't the same as most important. If size were the most important, Matt Lane would be lacrosse's all time leading scorer while Grant Ament would struggle to score.

I agree - and a team can greatly benefit from having a mixture of differing superlative talents. You don’t want nor need ten carbon copies.


(I doubt half the population has seen a carbon copy.)

[jhu06]

-I was thinking over the weekend about the tee shirts could've been made for Homecoming 2020 if they had honored the 05 guys. So many Duke Lacrosse possibilities. Nifong for district attorney. allure escorts for all your lacrosse spring break needs. When I was there in the early aughts there were fantastic politically incorrect tee shirts attacking rivals and celebrating life "you can't smoke these jays" with a picture of a leaf that today would've driven the social justice warriors absolutely nuts. Go Back to new jersey. A blue jay shitting on a tiger. From the sound of it hopkins no longer wants whimsical folks with spirit and character, just a bunch of bots. It's what separates hopkins from the rest of the wanna bes and nouveau riche of the sport-that the student body and alumni are engaged enough with the sport and the tradition to hate and mock opponents.

-My expectation at this point is that we're not going to have in person hopkins next spring and that lacrosse will be canceled. It is also my expectation that our major sports rivals will go ahead with their seasons. It's hard to see Ohio State allowing football and saying no to spring sports barring catastrophe. This will of course lead to major internecine warfare on here and between the alumni-Rabil months ago successfully did the pll and cordish's son worked for Trump. LFG.

[mocking jay]

DMAC. But they did identify it as the biggest difference maker in that game both in print and in discussion, your example is a non sequitur. What the coaches agree was Hopkins had better stock work and skills but were too small to compete on a level playing field. The Cowan injury was sustained in the Syracuse game when Syracuse subbed in a defenseman who proceeded to slash Cowan across the leg and was removed from the game. It was the reason Hopkins did not renew the series when it expired.

I know three members of the 1965 team who became friends later in their lives . They would also agree. BTW Hopkins midfield line was known as the “ midget” midfield. I know two of them. They agree as well.

What is a Doctor Barrister? He is a good example of how myths are perpetuated

[DMac]

I've gone back to see the discussion but I can't find it. When I jumped in what I saw was this;

Both Bilderbavk snd Scott identified size as the most important factor.

I don't see where this was describing a particular game or match up. This statement in and of itself, taken out of context, simply is not true and in that respect my statement is not a non sequitur but rather right on the money. Mikey Powell certainly isn't a big guy but that didn't make much different as he mastered his craft and was quick enough to make any size difference inconsequential.
I wouldn't argue that size isn't an advantage, the Spencer-Mellen match up would be a good example of size working to one's advantage. Mellen's skills made it a rough day for most everyone but Spencer's size neutralized the much smaller Mellen's skills. I still don't think size is the most important factor (and I don't care who said that). When all else is equal, then yes it matters but a quicker, more skilled attackman, is going to eat up a slower less skilled defenseman all day every day. See Lyle Thompson.

[DocBarrister]

DMAC. But they did identify it as the biggest difference maker in that game both in print and in discussion, your example is a non sequitur. What the coaches agree was Hopkins had better stock work and skills but were too small to compete on a level playing field. The Cowan injury was sustained in the Syracuse game when Syracuse subbed in a defenseman who proceeded to slash Cowan across the leg and was removed from the game. It was the reason Hopkins did not renew the series when it expired.

I know three members of the 1965 team who became friends later in their lives . They would also agree. BTW Hopkins midfield line was known as the “ midget” midfield. I know two of them. They agree as well.

What is a Doctor Barrister? He is a good example of how myths are perpetuated

Wait a minute ... I’m a myth now?!?

DocBarrister (myth)

[Chitown]

DMAC. But they did identify it as the biggest difference maker in that game both in print and in discussion, your example is a non sequitur. What the coaches agree was Hopkins had better stock work and skills but were too small to compete on a level playing field. The Cowan injury was sustained in the Syracuse game when Syracuse subbed in a defenseman who proceeded to slash Cowan across the leg and was removed from the game. It was the reason Hopkins did not renew the series when it expired.

I know three members of the 1965 team who became friends later in their lives . They would also agree. BTW Hopkins midfield line was known as the “ midget” midfield. I know two of them. They agree as well.

What is a Doctor Barrister? He is a good example of how myths are perpetuated

Wait a minute ... I’m a myth now?!?

DocBarrister (myth)

I rarely (never) post to refute some posters arrogant know-it-all posts. But I make an exception here.

First, I absolutely defend and support Doc Barrister. He is enthusiastic about Lacrosse in general, about JHU Lacrosse in particular, and about JHU the institution. What is not to admire? Keep it up Doc !

Second, the name "Mocking Jay" is a give-away. ("mocking terp", "mocking wahoo", etc). No fan of JHU and pretends to be knowledgeable about our lacrosse history, BUT he knows a guy, who knows a guy, who heard from his Uncle, who heard from a guy in a Bar, who said....blah, blah.

Third, we dropped Syracuse in the 1960s because it wasn't a competitive game, it was a long trip by bus, and we substituted Rutgers and then Cornell. Scores against Syracuse: 1965 (21-6), 1966 (14-1), 1967 (17-9) and 1968 (20-7). The 1967 game wasn't that close and Scotty pulled the starters when it was 14-1, and then put us back in when we had cooled down, and when the bench was letting them score. That is when Joe got hurt and it was a long bus ride home and his thigh tightened up.

Fourth, the 1966 Freshmen team never beat or man-handled the 1966 Varsity. I was there. And simple logic: the 1966 Team had Downie McCarty, Phil Kneip, Hank Kaestner, Jerry Schydman, Luckey Mallonee, Geoff Berlin, and others. It was not going to be man-handled by or lose to a Freshmen Team. The 1966 Team had a lot of injuries. It was a young "thin" team that was hardened in the Season's furnace (lost to the Navy NC team 12-7, a competitive game), had the whole team back in 1967. A pay back year when all that playing time in 1966 together paid off. ((The Princeton Coach said to The Baltimore Sun before we played them , "that they (jhu) looks like they have playing together for a long time". We had been, and beat Princeton (the Ivy League Champs 12-2). Plus how many members of the 1966 Freshmen Team were real players on the 1967 Team? Charlie Goodell was 1st Midfield, Jimmy Feeley was 4th Attackman, we got a 3rd MIdfield, and most importantly two starting defenseman: Mike Clark and John Cardillo. That is the truth and the whole truth AND I didn't hear it from "a guy who said to another guy who heard it from his Great Uncle Harry. ...."

Don't buy "Mocking Jay's" assertions. He is a Troll.

[DocBarrister]

DMAC. But they did identify it as the biggest difference maker in that game both in print and in discussion, your example is a non sequitur. What the coaches agree was Hopkins had better stock work and skills but were too small to compete on a level playing field. The Cowan injury was sustained in the Syracuse game when Syracuse subbed in a defenseman who proceeded to slash Cowan across the leg and was removed from the game. It was the reason Hopkins did not renew the series when it expired.

I know three members of the 1965 team who became friends later in their lives . They would also agree. BTW Hopkins midfield line was known as the “ midget” midfield. I know two of them. They agree as well.

What is a Doctor Barrister? He is a good example of how myths are perpetuated

Wait a minute ... I’m a myth now?!?

DocBarrister (myth)

I rarely (never) post to refute some posters arrogant know-it-all posts. But I make an exception here.

First, I absolutely defend and support Doc Barrister. He is enthusiastic about Lacrosse in general, about JHU Lacrosse in particular, and about JHU the institution. What is not to admire? Keep it up Doc !

Second, the name "Mocking Jay" is a give-away. ("mocking terp", "mocking wahoo", etc). No fan of JHU and pretends to be knowledgeable about our lacrosse history, BUT he knows a guy, who knows a guy, who heard from his Uncle, who heard from a guy in a Bar, who said....blah, blah.

Third, we dropped Syracuse in the 1960s because it wasn't a competitive game, it was a long trip by bus, and we substituted Rutgers and then Cornell. Scores against Syracuse: 1965 (21-6), 1966 (14-1), 1967 (17-9) and 1968 (20-7). The 1967 game wasn't that close and Scotty pulled the starters when it was 14-1, and then put us back in when we had cooled down, and when the bench was letting them score. That is when Joe got hurt and it was a long bus ride home and his thigh tightened up.

Fourth, the 1966 Freshmen team never beat or man-handled the 1966 Varsity. I was there. And simple logic: the 1966 Team had Downie McCarty, Phil Kneip, Hank Kaestner, Jerry Schydman, Luckey Mallonee, Geoff Berlin, and others. It was not going to be man-handled by or lose to a Freshmen Team. The 1966 Team had a lot of injuries. It was a young "thin" team that was hardened in the Season's furnace (lost to the Navy NC team 12-7, a competitive game), had the whole team back in 1967. A pay back year when all that playing time in 1966 together paid off. ((The Princeton Coach said to The Baltimore Sun before we played them , "that they (jhu) looks like they have playing together for a long time". We had been, and beat Princeton (the Ivy League Champs 12-2). Plus how many members of the 1966 Freshmen Team were real players on the 1967 Team? Charlie Goodell was 1st Midfield, Jimmy Feeley was 4th Attackman, we got a 3rd MIdfield, and most importantly two starting defenseman: Mike Clark and John Cardillo. That is the truth and the whole truth AND I didn't hear it from "a guy who said to another guy who heard it from his Great Uncle Harry. ...."

Don't buy "Mocking Jay's" assertions. He is a Troll.

Thanks, Chitown! Very honored!

DocBarrister

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

Someone’s head just swelled. Expect a solar eclipse the rest of the week - his head will block out the sun.

[ABClaxfan]

FYI: Owen Murphy’s younger brother Luke (2022) committed to Loyola tonight.

[houndace1]

FYI: Owen Murphy’s younger brother Luke (2022) committed to Loyola tonight.

thats interesting news! Is his game similar to the older Murphy?

[HopFan16]

FYI: Owen Murphy’s younger brother Luke (2022) committed to Loyola tonight.

thats interesting news! Is his game similar to the older Murphy?

He's a lefty and does a lot of work from the top of the formation. He may end up being a midfielder in college. Owen does more behind the goal and at GLE. Though he does look like a solid finisher, like his brother.

[nyjay]

The Jays made IL's list of 5 teams that could be most improved in 2021, along with ND, Duke, Georgetown and Denver. Might be true, especially where the Jays are starting from. Here's the blurb:

There’s a lot to unpack with the Blue Jays. At first glance, their incoming transfers don’t have the same buzz as some of the teams on this list, but Kirson is a fantastic goalie, Szuluk was IL’s No. 6 underclassman transfer, and Fernandez was the No. 1 underclassman. Kirson led the Big Ten in several statistical categories and is an elite starting goalie, which in itself is a big addition for the Jays.

The biggest change is at the top, where Peter Milliman takes over after the illustrious career of Dave Pietramala. With him, Milliman brings John Grant, Jr., and Jamison Koesterer as his staff. That’s an all-star group and, no matter what you think of parting ways with Pietramala, there is a buzz that comes along with a change that should manifest itself this year.

Then there’s the incoming class, which welcomes five-star attackmen in Brendan Grimes (Boys’ Latin, Md.) and Casey McDermott (Brighton, N.Y.). As Ty Xanders reported this spring, it’s “arguably the program’s most promising class since 2014.”

And then think of Joey Epstein, a supreme talent who played sparingly after a lower-body injury in the 2020 preseason. Cole Williams is back, too, after briefly entering the transfer portal.

[flalax22]

The Jays made IL's list of 5 teams that could be most improved in 2021, along with ND, Duke, Georgetown and Denver. Might be true, especially where the Jays are starting from. Here's the blurb:

There’s a lot to unpack with the Blue Jays. At first glance, their incoming transfers don’t have the same buzz as some of the teams on this list, but Kirson is a fantastic goalie, Szuluk was IL’s No. 6 underclassman transfer, and Fernandez was the No. 1 underclassman. Kirson led the Big Ten in several statistical categories and is an elite starting goalie, which in itself is a big addition for the Jays.

The biggest change is at the top, where Peter Milliman takes over after the illustrious career of Dave Pietramala. With him, Milliman brings John Grant, Jr., and Jamison Koesterer as his staff. That’s an all-star group and, no matter what you think of parting ways with Pietramala, there is a buzz that comes along with a change that should manifest itself this year.

Then there’s the incoming class, which welcomes five-star attackmen in Brendan Grimes (Boys’ Latin, Md.) and Casey McDermott (Brighton, N.Y.). As Ty Xanders reported this spring, it’s “arguably the program’s most promising class since 2014.”

And then think of Joey Epstein, a supreme talent who played sparingly after a lower-body injury in the 2020 preseason. Cole Williams is back, too, after briefly entering the transfer portal.

I’m not sure “sparingly” is accurate. He played poorly after suffering a knee injury in pre season. We all suspect he wasn’t 100% but it makes you wonder why he was ever cleared based on his play because it sure looked like he was at about 40%. Will he return to form in 2021 is the question.

[51percentcorn]

no conspiracy theory here but any reasonable thought as to why the Hopkins '22 Commitments (all of them) are absent from Il's 2022 Commitment list? Goes from Jacksonville right to Lafayette - wierd

[HopFan16]

no conspiracy theory here but any reasonable thought as to why the Hopkins '22 Commitments (all of them) are absent from Il's 2022 Commitment list? Goes from Jacksonville right to Lafayette - wierd

Strange but you can see them all listed at this link

https://www.insidelacrosse.com/recruiti ... ns/59/2022

[jhu06]

One of the silver linings to all the transfers out, the teams poor season last year, covid and the new staff is that I'm guessing a ton of scholarship $ has been freed up for Milliman to use going forward. I'm not a pro on that sort of thing as a few of you correctly often point out, but I would've thought that while other coaches have more tenure at their current schools the fact that all these kids left would've meant that milliman could compensate for that with more $ to use to get kids.

[Catbird]

That's actually a good point. And don't forget that with all the huge rosters, that there will be plenty of unhappy talent moving around in the next couple years.

[HopFan16]

He also has a ton of financial aid to offer recruits—probably more than they'd be getting at similar schools. From what I've heard, the financial aid packages for athletes have been pretty generous lately, even for those already getting partial scholarships.

IL did a story on Milliman and the team adjusting to life at Homewood during Covid: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... eam-/56915

One valid point it brings up is that from his time in the Ivy League, he's already used to not practicing much in the fall. The priority right now seems to be less X's and O's and more laying the foundation for a new culture. The guy is saying all the right things IMO under very tough circumstances. Of course we are still very far away from actual games being played but I think there's reason to be encouraged.

Junior did another podcast, talked mostly about his career but there's a few minutes in there he discusses taking the Hopkins job and moving to Baltimore: https://twitter.com/LaxClass/status/1313591029333987332

One of the several reasons he took the job was because he wanted the ability to recruit Canadian kids again, since he couldn't at Air Force. Also called it a dream job and said all he's focused on is winning #45.

[flalax22]

He also has a ton of financial aid to offer recruits—probably more than they'd be getting at similar schools. From what I've heard, the financial aid packages for athletes have been pretty generous lately, even for those already getting partial scholarships.

From what I’ve heard the financial aid taps have been opened wide post Petro in an attempt to assist the new staff navigate the athletic scholarships that were locked up under DP. If that’s true it tells you exactly what the admin(s) thought of the old head coach.

[Catbird]

IL did a story on Milliman and the team adjusting to life at Homewood during Covid: https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/ ... eam-/56915

One valid point it brings up is that from his time in the Ivy League, he's already used to not practicing much in the fall. The priority right now seems to be less X's and O's and more laying the foundation for a new culture. The guy is saying all the right things IMO under very tough circumstances. Of course we are still very far away from actual games being played but I think there's reason to be encouraged.

Yea I did like this quote from him.

“Feeling like we need to get everything in, and that if not we’re going to fall behind the curve, to me is a mistake in planning. I’ve been in the Ivy League for eight years, the one thing I can come away from that knowing is you don’t need to spend 50 practices in the fall to get something substantial in. It’s more about the chemistry, the team build; the system stuff will come when you get a chance to be there consistently.”

Obviously the jury will be out for a while, but its nice to be excited again. Dave Cottle can stick it up his pasty ass.