2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[Peter Brown]

Ready and willing.

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[RedFromMI]

If he dies before the election, I think the Republican national committee provides a replacement candidate, but I’m not positive about that.

Wouldn't it be the same scenario for how Kamala will take over on-his-last-legs Joe?

I wouldn't think that either party would have time to consider anyone other than the #2 currently running for VP.

I suspect Trump will be fortunate and through the very best of care, early action, etc he'll make it through November 3rd and likely be in the 95% who would be expected to survive at his age, though his obesity and very likely heart issues (speculative, but something triggered that emergency run to Walter Reed last year) would add to that risk. But he's still far more likely to survive the disease than not. Doesn't mean that it won't leave him damaged physically and neurologically, but survival.

There is also speculation that the Walter Reed visit last year was for a mini or minor stroke. The famous water drinking episode could be leftover weakness from something like that.

Back to the replacement issue - people are already voting, and have voted for the current set of candidates. Changing - especially as it gets closer and closer to the election could really be problematic.

[njbill]

Suppose Trump dies (and I’m not calling for that, you Trumpists; I hope he recovers), but what happens to votes that have been cast for Trump?

I wouldn’t think they should count for Pence. He’s a different candidate. Do the people get to revote?

[wgdsr]

just expect it'll be a sh$.t show:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... -dies.html

[runrussellrun]

If he dies before the election, I think the Republican national committee provides a replacement candidate, but I’m not positive about that.

Wouldn't it be the same scenario for how Kamala will take over on-his-last-legs Joe?

I wouldn't think that either party would have time to consider anyone other than the #2 currently running for VP.

I suspect Trump will be fortunate and through the very best of care, early action, etc he'll make it through November 3rd and likely be in the 95% who would be expected to survive at his age, though his obesity and very likely heart issues (speculative, but something triggered that emergency run to Walter Reed last year) would add to that risk. But he's still far more likely to survive the disease than not. Doesn't mean that it won't leave him damaged physically and neurologically, but survival.

There is also speculation that the Walter Reed visit last year was for a mini or minor stroke. The famous water drinking episode could be leftover weakness from something like that.

Back to the replacement issue - people are already voting, and have voted for the current set of candidates. Changing - especially as it gets closer and closer to the election could really be problematic.

it's as if some things, or some procedures, are still using the perverbial buddy whip, as if tech. doesn't exist. at all.

To bad, so sad, Someone died. vote again not hard.

[Peter Brown]

I'm glad Joe and Jill Biden have tested negative for the coronavirus.

I never wish sickness or death to anyone.

I'm not a liberal.

[jhu72]

Less than 12 hours for the right wing nuts to make up their story.

These guys operate in Goebbels' "Fact-Free-Zone". What losers.

[Brooklyn]

Cowards let this happen. This pig cop had a long record. Should be picking apples. Instead YOUR system allowed him to skate. This is one YOU, brooklyn. YOU

No way, Jose.

Fact is that the Republicans in the legislature killed off proposed legislation that would have imposed police reform. Your party. That's right - yours.

[Peter Brown]

Less than 12 hours for the right wing nuts to make up their story.

These guys operate in Goebbels' "Fact-Free-Zone". What losers.

“these guys” as in plural.

JHU’s link is the odious Newsweek, which cites 1 human being as saying she doesn’t ‘put anything past the left’. Which of course is true.

JHU I assume thinks you won’t use a brain to see that his post implies that ‘many’ people have said Trump was infected by some third party at the behest of the DNC, when in fact no one does and the only person getting halfway close is one complete unknown.

Who indeed is the loser here? Doesn’t JHU have a riot to cheer on?

[ABV 8.3%]

Cowards let this happen. This pig cop had a long record. Should be picking apples. Instead YOUR system allowed him to skate. This is one YOU, brooklyn. YOU

No way, Jose.

Fact is that the Republicans in the legislature killed off proposed legislation that would have imposed police reform. Your party. That's right - yours.

You once told me you were a conservatives....

[Brooklyn]

You once told me you were a conservatives....

The only politics I believe in is realism which is contrary to right wing delusionalism.

[Brooklyn]

You just had to know how easy it was for Democrats to reveal their inner selves today.

,,, Tons of 'I hope he dies' tweets.

Very sick puppies.

(Leviticus 19:18)

"Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself."

Too bad your Tea Baggers did not learn that lesson when they had placards of Obama getting lynched or torched to death. I'm ever sooooo sure you felt the same way about them.

[Brooklyn]

I’ll wait for the trial.

That's our Petey. He won't condemn those criminal cops but will wait for the trial. Meantime, he condemns all of Antifa, BLM, and Democrats as arsonists, criminals, and terrorists for violence even though virtually nobody is on trial for any urban violence that was instigated by criminal cops.

[Brooklyn]

Joe Biden said that he is withdrawing any attack ads he made against tRUMP. By contrast the tRUMP campaign has been nothing but attacks on Biden accusing him of lacking the mental health needed to properly get the job done. Big contrast as usual. Patriots always take the higher moral course as opposed to America hating right wingers. It's just true that patriots always are the better class of people.

[CU88]

Heather Cox Richardson

October 2, 2020 (Friday)

Today’s media was consumed with news of the spread of coronavirus to the president and First Lady, as well as concern over the degree to which it has spread to other people associated with the White House. A number of those who attended the Rose Garden announcement of Trump’s nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court have tested positive. That number includes the Trumps, Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC), Senator Mike Lee (R-UT), and Fr. John Jenkins, president of Notre Dame. Also infected are Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the Republican National Committee, and at least three journalists who have attended White House events in the past week.
And tonight, presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway reported that she, too, has tested positive.
As I write this, just before midnight, Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien has just announced he, too, has tested positive for the coronavirus.
Five minutes after midnight (sorry for breaking the midnight rule again), we learned that 11 staffers from the Cleveland debate also tested positive.
We will not learn of infections among the Secret Service.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has tested negative, as have Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden.
This evening, medical professionals transferred the president to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center “out of an abundance of caution.” He walked from the helicopter under his own power, and posted a short video to his Twitter account assuring viewers that he is doing “very well.” He remains in charge; power has not transferred to Vice President Mike Pence.
Aside from the personal implications of the spread of this illness—and let’s remember that there are 46,459 other Americans who have contracted the coronavirus in the last day-- this major news story has huge implications for the upcoming election. It also illustrates how the administration’s secrecy and lies take away our ability to make informed decisions about our own lives, as well as about the nation.
The Trump entourage has refused to wear masks, social distance, or follow the advice of public health experts for reducing the spread of the virus. Now it appears that White House officials deliberately withheld information about their condition, directly endangering other people who acted on the presumption that the Trump people weren’t infected. The Washington Post reported that Secret Service agents, who risk their lives to protect the president, are angry and frustrated: “He’s never cared about us.” The 30-50 Republican donors who met with Trump Thursday night at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, are “freaking out,” one report noted. Tickets had cost up to $250,000, and Trump met privately with about 19 people for 45 minutes. Trump knew his adviser Hope Hicks had tested positive when he left for the club, but he went anyway. He did not wear a mask.
Reporter Chris Wallace of the Fox News Channel, who moderated Tuesday’s debate and so was one of those the Trumps' entourage endangered, revealed today that Trump arrived too late on Tuesday for a COVID-19 test, as the venue required. Instead, there was an “honor system.” Organizers assumed the people associated with the campaigns would not come unless they had tested negative. Trump’s people arrived wearing masks, which they had to have to enter the auditorium, but then removed them shortly after sitting down, and refused to put them back on. During the debate, Trump mocked Biden for his habit of wearing a mask.
The campaign did not tell the Biden camp that Hicks, who attended the debate, had tested positive for coronavirus the day after the event. The Biden organization learned it from the newspapers. The White House did not even tell former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who spent four days in close quarters with Hicks and Trump, helping the president prepare for the debate. He, too, learned the news from the media.
This crisis shows how the administration’s refusal to share information and its insistence on its own version of reality creates confusion that leaves Americans vulnerable and anxious. Its history of secrecy and lies means that few people actually trust anything its spokespeople say. It was striking how many people did not believe the Trumps were actually sick when the news broke; we are so accustomed to Trump’s lies that many people thought he was simply looking for a way out of future debates.
The constant lies—about coronavirus and virtually everything else—destabilize the nation because we cannot know what the truth really is. And if we don’t know what is actually happening, we cannot make good decisions. Today the editorial board of the Washington Post warned that the White House simply must let us know the truth about the president’s health so that we know who is actually running national security, the economy, and the election on our behalf.
That plea did not appear to make much of an impression on the White House: it did not bother to tell Pelosi, who is third in line for the presidency, that Trump was being helicoptered to Walter Reed Hospital.
And so we are facing a pandemic spreading through the upper ranks of the government just before an election with little faith that we will learn the truth about what is happening. That, just as much as the infections in the administration, is a crisis.
To its credit, the Biden campaign has identified this crisis and is doing its best to restore our sense of a shared reality, based in our history and our better principles. Rather than expressing outrage that the Trump camp exposed him and his wife and guests to coronavirus, Biden offered his best wishes for Trump and the First Lady, as did his running mate Kamala Harris. Biden’s campaign pulled all its negative ads out of respect for the president’s illness (the Trump campaign refused to follow suit).
Biden spoke in Michigan today, assuring the audience that “We can get this pandemic under control so we can get our economy working again for everyone.” But, he emphasized, “this cannot be a partisan moment. It must be an American moment. We have to come together as a nation.” He promised to get rid of the toxic partisanship that is keeping us all off balance. “I’m running as a Democrat,” he said, “but I will… govern as an American president. Whether you voted for me or against me, I will represent you... and those who see each other as fellow Americans who just don’t live in red states or blue states but who live in and love the United States of America. That’s who we are.”
To an increasingly weary country, he offered hope that we really can heal the nation’s ills. “There’s never been a single solitary thing America’s been unable to do. Think of this. Not once. Not a single thing we’ve not been able to overcome when we’ve done it together. So let’s get the heck up. Remember who in God’s name we are. This is the United States of America,” he said. “There’s nothing beyond our capacity.”

[seacoaster]

Heather Cox Richardson

October 2, 2020 (Friday)

Today’s media was consumed with news of the spread of coronavirus to the president and First Lady, as well as concern over the degree to which it has spread to other people associated with the White House. A number of those who attended the Rose Garden announcement of Trump’s nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court have tested positive. That number includes the Trumps, Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC), Senator Mike Lee (R-UT), and Fr. John Jenkins, president of Notre Dame. Also infected are Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the Republican National Committee, and at least three journalists who have attended White House events in the past week.
And tonight, presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway reported that she, too, has tested positive.
As I write this, just before midnight, Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien has just announced he, too, has tested positive for the coronavirus.
Five minutes after midnight (sorry for breaking the midnight rule again), we learned that 11 staffers from the Cleveland debate also tested positive.
We will not learn of infections among the Secret Service.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has tested negative, as have Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden.
This evening, medical professionals transferred the president to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center “out of an abundance of caution.” He walked from the helicopter under his own power, and posted a short video to his Twitter account assuring viewers that he is doing “very well.” He remains in charge; power has not transferred to Vice President Mike Pence.
Aside from the personal implications of the spread of this illness—and let’s remember that there are 46,459 other Americans who have contracted the coronavirus in the last day-- this major news story has huge implications for the upcoming election. It also illustrates how the administration’s secrecy and lies take away our ability to make informed decisions about our own lives, as well as about the nation.
The Trump entourage has refused to wear masks, social distance, or follow the advice of public health experts for reducing the spread of the virus. Now it appears that White House officials deliberately withheld information about their condition, directly endangering other people who acted on the presumption that the Trump people weren’t infected. The Washington Post reported that Secret Service agents, who risk their lives to protect the president, are angry and frustrated: “He’s never cared about us.” The 30-50 Republican donors who met with Trump Thursday night at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, are “freaking out,” one report noted. Tickets had cost up to $250,000, and Trump met privately with about 19 people for 45 minutes. Trump knew his adviser Hope Hicks had tested positive when he left for the club, but he went anyway. He did not wear a mask.
Reporter Chris Wallace of the Fox News Channel, who moderated Tuesday’s debate and so was one of those the Trumps' entourage endangered, revealed today that Trump arrived too late on Tuesday for a COVID-19 test, as the venue required. Instead, there was an “honor system.” Organizers assumed the people associated with the campaigns would not come unless they had tested negative. Trump’s people arrived wearing masks, which they had to have to enter the auditorium, but then removed them shortly after sitting down, and refused to put them back on. During the debate, Trump mocked Biden for his habit of wearing a mask.
The campaign did not tell the Biden camp that Hicks, who attended the debate, had tested positive for coronavirus the day after the event. The Biden organization learned it from the newspapers. The White House did not even tell former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who spent four days in close quarters with Hicks and Trump, helping the president prepare for the debate. He, too, learned the news from the media.
This crisis shows how the administration’s refusal to share information and its insistence on its own version of reality creates confusion that leaves Americans vulnerable and anxious. Its history of secrecy and lies means that few people actually trust anything its spokespeople say. It was striking how many people did not believe the Trumps were actually sick when the news broke; we are so accustomed to Trump’s lies that many people thought he was simply looking for a way out of future debates.
The constant lies—about coronavirus and virtually everything else—destabilize the nation because we cannot know what the truth really is. And if we don’t know what is actually happening, we cannot make good decisions. Today the editorial board of the Washington Post warned that the White House simply must let us know the truth about the president’s health so that we know who is actually running national security, the economy, and the election on our behalf.
That plea did not appear to make much of an impression on the White House: it did not bother to tell Pelosi, who is third in line for the presidency, that Trump was being helicoptered to Walter Reed Hospital.
And so we are facing a pandemic spreading through the upper ranks of the government just before an election with little faith that we will learn the truth about what is happening. That, just as much as the infections in the administration, is a crisis.
To its credit, the Biden campaign has identified this crisis and is doing its best to restore our sense of a shared reality, based in our history and our better principles. Rather than expressing outrage that the Trump camp exposed him and his wife and guests to coronavirus, Biden offered his best wishes for Trump and the First Lady, as did his running mate Kamala Harris. Biden’s campaign pulled all its negative ads out of respect for the president’s illness (the Trump campaign refused to follow suit).
Biden spoke in Michigan today, assuring the audience that “We can get this pandemic under control so we can get our economy working again for everyone.” But, he emphasized, “this cannot be a partisan moment. It must be an American moment. We have to come together as a nation.” He promised to get rid of the toxic partisanship that is keeping us all off balance. “I’m running as a Democrat,” he said, “but I will… govern as an American president. Whether you voted for me or against me, I will represent you... and those who see each other as fellow Americans who just don’t live in red states or blue states but who live in and love the United States of America. That’s who we are.”
To an increasingly weary country, he offered hope that we really can heal the nation’s ills. “There’s never been a single solitary thing America’s been unable to do. Think of this. Not once. Not a single thing we’ve not been able to overcome when we’ve done it together. So let’s get the heck up. Remember who in God’s name we are. This is the United States of America,” he said. “There’s nothing beyond our capacity.”

Thanks for posting this 88. And remember -- science is for wimps.

[seacoaster]

Found this on the replacement issue:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... apacitated

"Republican National Committee rules empower the GOP to replace President Trump as the party’s nominee for the White House should he die, drop out, or become incapacitated before the Nov. 3 elections.

Trump, 74, has contracted COVID-19, a disease that has been particularly deadly for Americans in his age bracket. The president was only experiencing minor symptoms Friday within hours of his diagnosis. But the development prompted political insiders to examine how his illness might impact his reelection campaign against Democratic nominee Joe Biden in a worst-case scenario.

The RNC appears prepared. Under Rule No. 9, RNC members would meet in the event of Trump’s death, incapacitation, or if he dropped out of the race, and hold a vote to select a new presidential nominee. If necessary, RNC members would vote in a new nominee for vice president, too — for example, if Vice President Mike Pence were chosen for the top of the ticket.

According to the rules, the vote would be decided by each state’s delegation of RNC members, which is comprised of the state’s RNC committeeman, its separate RNC committeewoman and the chairman of the state party. Additionally, each state’s delegation of three RNC members would wield votes equal to however many nominating delegates were seated from that state during the August convention in Charlotte that renominated Trump.

It appears the RNC would be authorized to replace Trump, Pence, or both even after the Nov. 3 election. For instance, if either or both died, dropped out, or were incapacitated after the election, the RNC, through Rule No. 9, could provide a new candidate, or candidates, for the Electoral College to vote on when the electors in each state meet to cast their votes on Dec. 14.

Even though voting in the presidential election is already underway, this process is applicable.

That is because a vote for Trump or Biden on the presidential ballot is technically a vote for the electors the Democratic and Republican parties and their allies campaigns have appointed to the Electoral College. Under the Constitution, Republican electors would be empowered to vote for Trump's replacement upon the convening of the Electoral College in states where Trump won more popular votes than Biden.

From the RNC rulebook:

RULE NO. 9 Filling Vacancies in Nominations (a) The Republican National Committee is hereby authorized and empowered to fill any and all vacancies which may occur by reason of death, declination, or otherwise of the Republican candidate for President of the United States or the Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States, as nominated by the national convention, or the Republican National Committee may reconvene the national convention for the purpose of filling any such vacancies. (b) In voting under this rule, the Republican National Committee members representing any state 9 of 43 shall be entitled to cast the same number of votes as said state was entitled to cast at the national convention. (c) In the event that the members of the Republican National Committee from any state shall not be in agreement in the casting of votes hereunder, the votes of such state shall be divided equally, including fractional votes, among the members of the Republican National Committee present or voting by proxy. (d) No candidate shall be chosen to fill any such vacancy except upon receiving a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the election."

Anyone know what happens to the votes for Duce?

[Peter Brown]

Joe Biden said that he is withdrawing any attack ads he made against tRUMP. By contrast the tRUMP campaign has been nothing but attacks on Biden accusing him of lacking the mental health needed to properly get the job done. Big contrast as usual. Patriots always take the higher moral course as opposed to America hating right wingers. It's just true that patriots always are the better class of people.

This is such a lie.

The ‘attack’ ads by Biden have continued uninterrupted in Florida since the announcement. If anything they’ve increased as the lunatics of RVAT and Lincoln (grafting carnival Barker’s both) have amplified Biden’s own.

Anyway, negative advertising used to work when it was original. Nowadays voters tune it out; the only benefit to social media is mainstream media can’t filter the actual news like it used to. Everyone sees what’s going on in cities across America and realize the violence is embraced and promoted by the Democratic Party.

[Brooklyn]

This is such a lie.

The ‘attack’ ads by Biden have continued uninterrupted in Florida since the announcement. If anything they’ve increased as the lunatics of RVAT and Lincoln (grafting carnival Barker’s both) have amplified Biden’s own.

Anyway, negative advertising used to work when it was original. Nowadays voters tune it out; the only benefit to social media is mainstream media can’t filter the actual news like it used to. Everyone sees what’s going on in cities across America and realize the violence is embraced and promoted by the Democratic Party.

Boo, hoo, hoo.

With all of you past posts, it's no secret why you have no credibility on this forum. I sure haven't seen any attack ads from the Biden campaign on tv. If you had any credibility, I may possibly have believed your claim that Biden's ads continue. But we still get those tRUMP attack ads. Just now I'm watching a tRUMP attack ad which claims Biden is responsible for social violence and that he will make things worse if he's in the White House. The same old BS from the delusional right wing whose QAnon, Proud Boys, and Boogaloo Boys among others commit violence and who strenuously support traitor tRUMP.

[Peter Brown]

This is such a lie.

The ‘attack’ ads by Biden have continued uninterrupted in Florida since the announcement. If anything they’ve increased as the lunatics of RVAT and Lincoln (grafting carnival Barker’s both) have amplified Biden’s own.

Anyway, negative advertising used to work when it was original. Nowadays voters tune it out; the only benefit to social media is mainstream media can’t filter the actual news like it used to. Everyone sees what’s going on in cities across America and realize the violence is embraced and promoted by the Democratic Party.

Boo, hoo, hoo.

With all of you past posts, it's no secret why you have no credibility on this forum. I sure haven't seen any attack ads from the Biden campaign on tv. If you had any credibility, I may possibly have believed your claim that Biden's ads continue. But we still get those tRUMP attack ads. Just now I'm watching a tRUMP attack ad which claims Biden is responsible for social violence and that he will make things worse if he's in the White House. The same old BS from the delusional right wing whose QAnon, Proud Boys, and Boogaloo Boys among others commit violence and who strenuously support traitor tRUMP.

You haven’t seen any negative ads made by Biden? Do you also live in Florida?

Stop. Believing. Media. Be. Skeptical.

Thank you.