2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[Kismet]

Personally, I thought I was watching one of those old Crazy Eddie commercials

[runrussellrun]

No undecided voters switched tonight.

But Trump rained on the Democrat parade by reminded a number of regular D constituents that Biden is NOT their preferred candidate.

He actually got Joe to admit out loud and DENOUNCE a number of their constituents/ideas.

Sorry AOC, Joe is against the new green deal,
Sorry Bernie, Joe is against socialism.

And sorry minorities, Joe has been a racist in policy and in political life for most of his political career.

Joe whiffed on this one. There can’t be a lot of enthusiasm in the Biden camp tonight.

Donald Trump refused to denounce white supremacists and actually incited them ... and this is what you took away from the debate?

I think it is reasonable to assume that those who refuse to renounce Donald Trump after tonight’s repugnant performance support his white supremacist agenda.

DocBarrister

Refused? Is that what you heard? Angry man tRump said "SURE....who do you want me to denouce " He never got a clear answer from the useless Wallace. Who did Biden denounce?

Watched the debate with people that would literally wish someone would physically harm the current POTUSA, and boy, did they get in a tizzy when I pointed out the people rationing their insulin b/c of the cost. Remember THAT, docB?

And, than, they got squeemish when the "super Predator" truth came out. Biden is the best of the best, we guess.

[runrussellrun]

Joe wasn’t as strong as I had hoped he would be, but Trump was a -10 on a scale of 1 to 10.

Trump came in way too hot and never really backed off. Way way too hot. Maybe it appealed to his base, but it appalled voters in the middle.

Joe didn’t do as good a job as I expected he would in fending off all of Trump’s BS.

Trump acted as though he was at a Trump rally, not in a national debate before the American people.

Axe says Trump may have ended his presidency tonight.

Republican talking heads are not happy with Trump’s performance.

Agree with all this. If the debate was for anyone in the middle, they saw that the President is a borderless 12 year old.

Presidential? What was Biden's opening line?

"...what going on, man..."

and then "SHUT UP" with the hand puppet gestures.

"clown"

You really feel confident in Biden? Please, listening to NPR afterwards made me sick.

Why have a moderator at all? Don't recall, when reading the Lincoln-Douglas debates, a moderator.

US.....we love us some garbage TV and fear porn

[youthathletics]

Last not was a sh1t sandwich.

Joe was Joe and Trump was Trump. Joe reminds me of the parent that teenagers love...., they'll let you do almost anything you want, stay out all night, drink in the house...essentially just want to be your friend, not a parent. Trump, on the other hand, is the opposite....you will have a curfew, you ain't staying out all night, you aint drinking in the house and you can't wait to get away from him, but are glad he was around as you were growing up.

If you want everyone to get a trophy for just showing up, Joe is your guy.

[Peter Brown]

Last not was a sh1t sandwich.

Joe was Joe and Trump was Trump. Joe reminds me of the parent that teenagers love...., they'll let you do almost anything you want, stay out all night, drink in the house...essentially just want to be your friend, not a parent. Trump, on the other hand, is the opposite....you will have a curfew, you ain't staying out all night, you aint drinking in the house and you can't wait to get away from him, but are glad he was around as you were growing up.

If you want everyone to get a trophy for just showing up, Joe is your guy.

Dems are boiling mad this morning. I guess trump did what he needed to.

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[runrussellrun]

Frank Bruni in the Times, worth the read as usual:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/opin ... e=Homepage

"I wasn’t in the crowd of people who believed Joe Biden shouldn’t deign to debate President Trump, but put me in the crowd that believes he shouldn’t debate him again. Not after Tuesday night’s horror show: a disgrace to the format, an insult to the country, a nearly pointless 90 minutes.

And, I should add, a degradation of the presidency itself, which Trump had degraded so thoroughly already. He put on a performance so contemptuous, so puerile, so dishonest and so across-the-board repellent that the moderator, Chris Wallace, morphed into some amalgam of elementary-school principal, child psychologist, traffic cop and roadkill.

No matter how Wallace pleaded with Trump or admonished him, he couldn’t make him behave. But then why should Wallace have an experience any different from that of Trump’s chiefs of staff, of all the other former administration officials who have fled for the hills, of the Republican lawmakers who just threw up their hands and threw away any scruples they had? Trump runs roughshod over everyone and everything, and on Tuesday night in Cleveland he ran roughshod over the idea that two presidential candidates presenting rival visions for America should do so with at least a small measure of dignity and an iota of decorum.

Almost from the start, he talked over Biden, taunting him, demeaning him, trying to provoke him. He interrupted him and interrupted him and then interrupted him some more, all the while complaining that he, Trump, ever the martyr, was being persecuted once again.

“Mr. President, I’m the moderator of this debate, and I would like you to let me ask my question,” Wallace said early on, trying in vain to contain one of Trump’s tantrums and wrestle him into submission. I’d seen debate moderators get perturbed. Wallace bordered on plangent.

“I guess I’m debating you, not him, but that’s OK,” Trump shot back. “I’m not surprised.” Of course not. To be Trump is to be accustomed to an unjust world unimpressed with your majesty.

He plumbed uncharted presidential-debate depths of nastiness. When Biden, objecting to Trump’s reported dismissal of people who serve in the military as “losers,” brought up his son Beau’s tour of duty in Iraq, Trump brought up the past cocaine use of Biden’s other son, Hunter. And looked impressed and delighted with himself for doing so.

When Trump was challenged on holding huge rallies where supporters pressed tight together, the coronavirus be damned, he said that Biden would do likewise if he could just get anyone to show up.

When Biden said that Trump needed to get “smarter” about the pandemic, Trump erupted, a Vesuvius of petulance and pettiness. “Did you use the word smart?” he asked. “Don’t ever use the word smart with me. Don’t ever use that word. Because you know what? There’s nothing smart about you, Joe.” His voice was so thick with unwarranted condescension that it made my skin crawl.

When Biden noted that under Trump’s watch, our country became the world leader in recorded deaths related to Covid-19, with more than 200,000 Americans gone, Trump’s retort was a claim so hyperbolic that I didn’t know whether to laugh at its inanity or cry over its insanity. He said that if Biden had been president, two million people would have died.

I’m not exaggerating when I say that Trump was breathtaking, and I may even be paying him something of a compliment, because it takes a peerless combination of audacity and mendacity to pull off some of what he pulled off.

On taxes, for example: He turned the revelation that he had paid only $750 in federal income taxes for each of two recent years into an indictment of Biden, as a former senator and vice president, for creating so many tax loopholes.

On federal judges: His boast of appointing scores and scores of them segued into a rebuke of President Barack Obama and Biden for leaving behind so many vacancies, as if they’d simply forgotten about them­. Not exactly. Mitch McConnell, the Senate’s Republican majority leader, blocked the Obama administration from filling many of them, and then, after Trump was inaugurated, abetted him.

On the integrity of the upcoming vote count: He pivoted from Wallace’s question about whether he would refrain from declaring victory “until the election has been independently certified” into a fresh exhortation that his supporters serve as poll watchers, looking out for sketchy activity. He’s going to get people hurt. I mean, on top of all the people he has hurt already.

Responding to this pile of bile, Biden was hardly a choir boy. “You’re the worst president America has ever had,” he said at one point. He repeatedly called Trump a liar and several times called him “this clown.”

“Will you shut up, man?” Biden said to him. “This is so unpresidential."

But Biden was right: Trump wouldn’t shut up, and wasn’t remotely presidential, and to the extent that Biden occasionally flung mud of his own, well, when you’re dragged into the pigsty, you have no other choice.

Mostly, though, Biden shook his head as Trump ranted and raged. He smiled dismissively. He looked at Wallace or at the camera or anywhere but at Trump, his lack of eye contact a suggestion that some nonsense — and some nonsense purveyors — are best ignored. His obvious strategy was to treat Trump as part spectacle, part joke, all embarrassment. Which is precisely how Trump deserved to be treated.

Who won and who lost? I know I’m supposed to make something of a determination along those lines, but that’s not how this debate went down. Trump talked more and faster and louder, which was clearly his strategy: Be so damned vivid that Biden would look even paler than usual.

In this Trump was successful. He had more fire — but dangerously, even dementedly, so. He never wore Biden down, but at moments he wore Biden out: Listening to Biden’s sentences peter out could be like hearing the air seep from a tire.

But here’s the deal, as Biden would say: Only one man on that stage persuasively communicated that he has the interests of the American people at heart. Only one man on that stage seemed at all interested in maintaining a tether to the truth. Only one man demonstrated any respect for Wallace or for the process. Only one man would be bearable for the next four years.

I needn’t spell out who that man is.

But I have a message for him, and I’m serious: Don’t do this again. You showed your willingness. You showed up. But another of these fiascos is beneath you. I’d add that it’s beneath America, if there’s even such a thing anymore."

If interruptions where faceoffs, these two "FOGO's the clowns" were pretty even, until the last half hour. Than tRump found his inner TD Irelan and ran the interruption table.

[runrussellrun]

Joe wasn’t as strong as I had hoped he would be, but Trump was a -10 on a scale of 1 to 10.

Trump came in way too hot and never really backed off. Way way too hot. Maybe it appealed to his base, but it appalled voters in the middle.

Joe didn’t do as good a job as I expected he would in fending off all of Trump’s BS.

Trump acted as though he was at a Trump rally, not in a national debate before the American people.

Axe says Trump may have ended his presidency tonight.

Republican talking heads are not happy with Trump’s performance.

Agree with all this. If the debate was for anyone in the middle, they saw that the President is a borderless 12 year old.

The President of The United States of America’s performance was something deplorables can be proud of...Trump owned Biden!!

God Bless America and God Bless Donald Trump.

You felt, in no way, that Biden contradickted himself on plans for covid? Joe rants, "I want the schools open.....business' open".....followed up with,
"we need to CLOSE everything"

Did no one else notice Biden's nonsense?

Honestly, who believes that a naturally occurring virus and the associated deaths, IS any ONE persons fault? Biden dropped the covid ball, big time

[seacoaster]

Hahahahaha

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/stat ... 1926662145

[DMac]

Another man's review of the debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3kkpVbOcsA

[dislaxxic]

You felt, in no way, that Biden contradickted himself on plans for covid? Joe rants, "I want the schools open.....business' open".....followed up with,
"we need to CLOSE everything" Did no one else notice Biden's nonsense?

There's real Trump-like circle jerk logic for you... Joe only contradicted himself in the "minds" of those incapable of seeing the con taking place before our eyes...

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[runrussellrun]

You felt, in no way, that Biden contradickted himself on plans for covid? Joe rants, "I want the schools open.....business' open".....followed up with,
"we need to CLOSE everything" Did no one else notice Biden's nonsense?

There's real Trump-like circle jerk logic for you...

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Did you not hear the same thing?

[cradleandshoot]

Another man's review of the debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3kkpVbOcsA

My favorite line from Colbert... after a 90 minute poop you should feel better. +1

[runrussellrun]

Another man's review of the debate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3kkpVbOcsA

boring

[dislaxxic]

Opening schools and businesses is the GOAL, closing them the means to the goal. Are you really that confused?

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[runrussellrun]

Opening schools and businesses is the GOAL, closing them the means to the goal. Are you really that confused?

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but SOME businesses ARE open....and have been......so, yes, I am confused.

[dislaxxic]

Well, you need a much more nuanced and scientific understanding of how to address public health issues like a virulent strain of virus that is thought to be airborne in its transmission and is challenging to even the best minds in biology, medicine and public health. It's understandable that you'd be confused. Try to listen to Dr. Fauci and other authorities that know much more about the issue...

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[kramerica.inc]

It was confirmed last night.

Biden is willing to shut down the economy and not willing to shut down the civil unrest.

“Shut up man.”

“You’re a clown.”

[DocBarrister]

A CNN poll of debate watchers handed the night to Biden by a wide margin -- 60% of respondents said Biden won, while just 28% gave the night to Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/30/politics ... index.html

DocBarrister

[kramerica.inc]

CNN.

Nuff said.

[runrussellrun]

Well, you need a much more nuanced and scientific understanding of how to address public health issues like a virulent strain of virus that is thought to be airborne in its transmission and is challenging to even the best minds in biology, medicine and public health. It's understandable that you'd be confused. Try to listen to Dr. Fauci and other authorities that know much more about the issue...

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What does any of this have to do with picking which business is open, or not? Guess Dr. Fauci can explain how liquor stores are "essential", but pot dispensaries are not. We can start there. (It is 100% legal in my state )

And than he can explain the "science" behind removing a facemask while SITTING.......in a food place.......guessing it doesn't transmit via airborne while sitting.