2020 Elections - Trump FIRED

[Typical Lax Dad]

Trump: “What, if any, police department has endorsed you?”

Biden: No comment.

Seeing The President of The Unites States of America tonight really made me beam with pride....we are in good hands. 4 mo’ years!

[kramerica.inc]

No undecided voters switched tonight.

But Trump rained on the Democrat parade by reminded a number of regular D constituents that Biden is NOT their preferred candidate.

He actually got Joe to admit out loud and DENOUNCE a number of their constituents/ideas.

Sorry AOC, Joe is against the new green deal,
Sorry Bernie, Joe is against socialism.

And sorry minorities, Joe has been a racist in policy and in political life for most of his political career.

Joe whiffed on this one. There can’t be a lot of enthusiasm in the Biden camp tonight.

[Typical Lax Dad]

The President of The United States of America is doing his part to MAGA. What a leader.

[Typical Lax Dad]

[kramerica.inc]

Feigned outrage.

I say let them debate. Keep the debates coming. Let people see who the candidates really are, what they stand for, and vote accordingly.

[a fan]

Feigned outrage.

Wait---so you were impressed by these two?

[njbill]

Ratings for today’s debate were probably very high, at least until it became clear this was just mud wrestling.

I predict ratings for the next two debates will be in the toilet.

Trump tried to hit a six run homerun tonight, but swung and missed and probably wrenched his back in doing so.

Multiple Republican talking heads say Trump hurt himself with women tonight.

[njbill]

Trump is getting a lot of props from white supremacists tonight, though.

[kramerica.inc]

Wait---so you were impressed by these two?

No more than those above were outraged.

And I was not surprised. But it was incredibly telling.

My Point is we need to see these two out front and to debate more to see who they really are.

Trump looked fired up. Biden looked like he was going through the motions.

IMO the telling part was Trump talked about the issues and
Biden really deflected and denied. Biden outright refused to answer the question about packing the court.

Trump came across as a bully, but Biden came across as a DNC shill.

[old salt]

JMHO -- It was a mistake for Biden to sink to Trump's level. It would have been more effective for him to act Presidential, not interrupt or name call. When Trump interrupted, just smile & shake his head, then clearly make his points in a few words.

Trump didn't give Biden enough uninterrupted time to get confused or make a gaffe.

Both losers.

[SCLaxAttack]

I think Biden tried, but Trump succeeded in sometimes getting him nto the mud. Later today if I’m running the Biden campaign I’d be holding serious discussions about cancelling the final two debates and using a good portion of the remaining campaign money on extended tv and online spots. Speeches to America you’d get for free if you were already president. Take the high road. “I won’t participate in any more debates because, as you saw, the man refuses to debate, and I won’t allow myself to go on live television and let Trump show you how he denigrates the office.” Massive ad spend of debate clips showing Chris Wallace trying to control the uncontrollable clown who, unfortunately, is our president.

[old salt]

I think Biden tried, but Trump succeeded in sometimes getting him nto the mud. Later today if I’m running the Biden campaign I’d be holding serious discussions about cancelling the final two debates and using a good portion of the remaining campaign money on extended tv and online spots. Speeches to America you’d get for free if you were already president. Take the high road. “I won’t participate in any more debates because, as you saw, the man refuses to debate, and I won’t allow myself to go on live television and let Trump show you how he denigrates the office.” Massive ad spend of debate clips showing Chris Wallace trying to control the uncontrollable clown who, unfortunately, is our president.

I like that, ...but what do I know ? I thought Jeb would be our President now.

[old salt]

What an embarrassment of an administration. "Proud Boys stand back and stand by".

The turn out for the 2 Proud Boy events in Portland has been impressive.

200 showed up in a park on a Sunday afternoon & went home after a couple hours.

Lots of wasted Police & State Trooper overtime.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/po ... s-n1241186

[DocBarrister]

No undecided voters switched tonight.

But Trump rained on the Democrat parade by reminded a number of regular D constituents that Biden is NOT their preferred candidate.

He actually got Joe to admit out loud and DENOUNCE a number of their constituents/ideas.

Sorry AOC, Joe is against the new green deal,
Sorry Bernie, Joe is against socialism.

And sorry minorities, Joe has been a racist in policy and in political life for most of his political career.

Joe whiffed on this one. There can’t be a lot of enthusiasm in the Biden camp tonight.

Donald Trump refused to denounce white supremacists and actually incited them ... and this is what you took away from the debate?

I think it is reasonable to assume that those who refuse to renounce Donald Trump after tonight’s repugnant performance support his white supremacist agenda.

DocBarrister

[Andersen]

I like watching betting markets as a key indicator on election probability, knowing odds are not made on who the book thinks is going to win, but instead set by what the public thinks.
At the start of the debate, Biden was the slight favorite. At about the halfway mark of the debate, I saw a few major online books take the line down because, well - that was nuts. When they put them back up, they increased Biden's odds by an average of over 7%. That is a HUGE gain. The public has been heavy on Joe recently.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elect ... president/

[seacoaster]

Joe wasn’t as strong as I had hoped he would be, but Trump was a -10 on a scale of 1 to 10.

Trump came in way too hot and never really backed off. Way way too hot. Maybe it appealed to his base, but it appalled voters in the middle.

Joe didn’t do as good a job as I expected he would in fending off all of Trump’s BS.

Trump acted as though he was at a Trump rally, not in a national debate before the American people.

Axe says Trump may have ended his presidency tonight.

Republican talking heads are not happy with Trump’s performance.

Agree with all this. If the debate was for anyone in the middle, they saw that the President is a borderless 12 year old.

[seacoaster]

Frank Bruni in the Times, worth the read as usual:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/opin ... e=Homepage

"I wasn’t in the crowd of people who believed Joe Biden shouldn’t deign to debate President Trump, but put me in the crowd that believes he shouldn’t debate him again. Not after Tuesday night’s horror show: a disgrace to the format, an insult to the country, a nearly pointless 90 minutes.

And, I should add, a degradation of the presidency itself, which Trump had degraded so thoroughly already. He put on a performance so contemptuous, so puerile, so dishonest and so across-the-board repellent that the moderator, Chris Wallace, morphed into some amalgam of elementary-school principal, child psychologist, traffic cop and roadkill.

No matter how Wallace pleaded with Trump or admonished him, he couldn’t make him behave. But then why should Wallace have an experience any different from that of Trump’s chiefs of staff, of all the other former administration officials who have fled for the hills, of the Republican lawmakers who just threw up their hands and threw away any scruples they had? Trump runs roughshod over everyone and everything, and on Tuesday night in Cleveland he ran roughshod over the idea that two presidential candidates presenting rival visions for America should do so with at least a small measure of dignity and an iota of decorum.

Almost from the start, he talked over Biden, taunting him, demeaning him, trying to provoke him. He interrupted him and interrupted him and then interrupted him some more, all the while complaining that he, Trump, ever the martyr, was being persecuted once again.

“Mr. President, I’m the moderator of this debate, and I would like you to let me ask my question,” Wallace said early on, trying in vain to contain one of Trump’s tantrums and wrestle him into submission. I’d seen debate moderators get perturbed. Wallace bordered on plangent.

“I guess I’m debating you, not him, but that’s OK,” Trump shot back. “I’m not surprised.” Of course not. To be Trump is to be accustomed to an unjust world unimpressed with your majesty.

He plumbed uncharted presidential-debate depths of nastiness. When Biden, objecting to Trump’s reported dismissal of people who serve in the military as “losers,” brought up his son Beau’s tour of duty in Iraq, Trump brought up the past cocaine use of Biden’s other son, Hunter. And looked impressed and delighted with himself for doing so.

When Trump was challenged on holding huge rallies where supporters pressed tight together, the coronavirus be damned, he said that Biden would do likewise if he could just get anyone to show up.

When Biden said that Trump needed to get “smarter” about the pandemic, Trump erupted, a Vesuvius of petulance and pettiness. “Did you use the word smart?” he asked. “Don’t ever use the word smart with me. Don’t ever use that word. Because you know what? There’s nothing smart about you, Joe.” His voice was so thick with unwarranted condescension that it made my skin crawl.

When Biden noted that under Trump’s watch, our country became the world leader in recorded deaths related to Covid-19, with more than 200,000 Americans gone, Trump’s retort was a claim so hyperbolic that I didn’t know whether to laugh at its inanity or cry over its insanity. He said that if Biden had been president, two million people would have died.

I’m not exaggerating when I say that Trump was breathtaking, and I may even be paying him something of a compliment, because it takes a peerless combination of audacity and mendacity to pull off some of what he pulled off.

On taxes, for example: He turned the revelation that he had paid only $750 in federal income taxes for each of two recent years into an indictment of Biden, as a former senator and vice president, for creating so many tax loopholes.

On federal judges: His boast of appointing scores and scores of them segued into a rebuke of President Barack Obama and Biden for leaving behind so many vacancies, as if they’d simply forgotten about them­. Not exactly. Mitch McConnell, the Senate’s Republican majority leader, blocked the Obama administration from filling many of them, and then, after Trump was inaugurated, abetted him.

On the integrity of the upcoming vote count: He pivoted from Wallace’s question about whether he would refrain from declaring victory “until the election has been independently certified” into a fresh exhortation that his supporters serve as poll watchers, looking out for sketchy activity. He’s going to get people hurt. I mean, on top of all the people he has hurt already.

Responding to this pile of bile, Biden was hardly a choir boy. “You’re the worst president America has ever had,” he said at one point. He repeatedly called Trump a liar and several times called him “this clown.”

“Will you shut up, man?” Biden said to him. “This is so unpresidential."

But Biden was right: Trump wouldn’t shut up, and wasn’t remotely presidential, and to the extent that Biden occasionally flung mud of his own, well, when you’re dragged into the pigsty, you have no other choice.

Mostly, though, Biden shook his head as Trump ranted and raged. He smiled dismissively. He looked at Wallace or at the camera or anywhere but at Trump, his lack of eye contact a suggestion that some nonsense — and some nonsense purveyors — are best ignored. His obvious strategy was to treat Trump as part spectacle, part joke, all embarrassment. Which is precisely how Trump deserved to be treated.

Who won and who lost? I know I’m supposed to make something of a determination along those lines, but that’s not how this debate went down. Trump talked more and faster and louder, which was clearly his strategy: Be so damned vivid that Biden would look even paler than usual.

In this Trump was successful. He had more fire — but dangerously, even dementedly, so. He never wore Biden down, but at moments he wore Biden out: Listening to Biden’s sentences peter out could be like hearing the air seep from a tire.

But here’s the deal, as Biden would say: Only one man on that stage persuasively communicated that he has the interests of the American people at heart. Only one man on that stage seemed at all interested in maintaining a tether to the truth. Only one man demonstrated any respect for Wallace or for the process. Only one man would be bearable for the next four years.

I needn’t spell out who that man is.

But I have a message for him, and I’m serious: Don’t do this again. You showed your willingness. You showed up. But another of these fiascos is beneath you. I’d add that it’s beneath America, if there’s even such a thing anymore."

[seacoaster]

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/30/21494864/ ... iden-polls

Snippet:

"Then we have the focus groups. Republican pollster Frank Luntz convened a focus group of 16 purportedly undecided voters from swing states, and in general they had kinder things to say about Biden’s performance than Trump’s.

Asked to describe Trump in one word or phrase, the responses were: “horrid,” “chaotic,” “unpolished,” “crackhead,” “ehh,” “puzzling,” “un-American,” “unhinged,” “an ass, but a confident ass,” “classic Trump,” “forceful,” “unhinged,” “bully,” “arrogant,” arrogant,” “typical.”

Then, asked to describe Biden, the responses were: “I was surprised at how well he did,” “better than expected,” “definitely more professional than Trump and I think he’s more a people person,” “competent,” “politician,” “showed restraint and compassion,” “politician,” “predictable,” “nice guy but lacking vision,” “coherent,” “leader,” “attentive and rehearsed,” “somewhat evasive,” “humanity and integrity,” “predictable,” “presidential.”

[Typical Lax Dad]

Joe wasn’t as strong as I had hoped he would be, but Trump was a -10 on a scale of 1 to 10.

Trump came in way too hot and never really backed off. Way way too hot. Maybe it appealed to his base, but it appalled voters in the middle.

Joe didn’t do as good a job as I expected he would in fending off all of Trump’s BS.

Trump acted as though he was at a Trump rally, not in a national debate before the American people.

Axe says Trump may have ended his presidency tonight.

Republican talking heads are not happy with Trump’s performance.

Agree with all this. If the debate was for anyone in the middle, they saw that the President is a borderless 12 year old.

The President of The United States of America’s performance was something deplorables can be proud of...Trump owned Biden!!

God Bless America and God Bless Donald Trump.

[Peter Brown]

If you want to know who ‘won’ last night’s opening debate, all you need to do is read how frantic every Dem is this morning to avoid two more. It’s as simple as that and has zip to do with decorum. Biden is weakest on the most important point: the economy. Dems can’t afford another performance like last night or he’ll drag others down with him.

Biden disowned the Green New Deal, defund the police, and rioting. I guess he doesn’t want the FLP vote.