Trump's Russian Collusion

[runrussellrun]

Nope....as you always state, Obama isn't President anymore. Neither are Obama's Russian sanctions relevant .....still buying rockets from russia thou

TAATS is a myth, idiot fatty

[Typical Lax Dad]

Nope....as you always state, Obama isn't President anymore. Neither are Obama's Russian sanctions relevant .

It’s relevant if the designated people are still on the list. These were additional actors back in March: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-re ... ses/sm0312

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/ssi/ssilist.pdf

[runrussellrun]

Nope....as you always state, Obama isn't President anymore. Neither are Obama's Russian sanctions relevant .

It’s relevant if the designated people are still on the list. These were additional actors back in March: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-re ... ses/sm0312

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/ssi/ssilist.pdf

attaboy, you're getting closer. You think Mueller and his staff have discovered this yet

(the pdf format is great, word search makes it very easy to research )

[runrussellrun]

Nope....as you always state, Obama isn't President anymore. Neither are Obama's Russian sanctions relevant .

It’s relevant if the designated people are still on the list. These were additional actors back in March: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-re ... ses/sm0312

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/ssi/ssilist.pdf

tld, enjoy (not going to bother doing the details...NO ONE cares. Did we just buy more rockets from Russia? exactly )

https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/ukrainerussia/

[Typical Lax Dad]

Nope....as you always state, Obama isn't President anymore. Neither are Obama's Russian sanctions relevant .

It’s relevant if the designated people are still on the list. These were additional actors back in March: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-re ... ses/sm0312

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/ssi/ssilist.pdf

attaboy, you're getting closer. You think Mueller and his staff have discovered this yet

(the pdf format is great, word search makes it very easy to research )

Yep. Makes it easier to catch BS.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Nope....as you always state, Obama isn't President anymore. Neither are Obama's Russian sanctions relevant .

It’s relevant if the designated people are still on the list. These were additional actors back in March: https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-re ... ses/sm0312

https://www.treasury.gov/ofac/downloads/ssi/ssilist.pdf

tld, enjoy (not going to bother doing the details...NO ONE cares. Did we just buy more rockets from Russia? exactly )

https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/ukrainerussia/

We still have diplomatic relations with Russia and the entirety of the country is not sanctioned. Russia is not North Korea or Iran for that matter. You can argue why not? I don’t see it that way but others may differ.

[runrussellrun]

Like I said....NO ONE CARES. Some Russians posted junk on useless internet business, purporting to "sway" the election. Dr. Jill Stein was in on it too....but NOT Gary Johnson. Why isn't the MSM looking into tRumps overseas bundlers (campaign donors ) WHY?

oh, that's right...they ALL do it. It's amazing that insider trading is illegal, but NOT for the folks that make laws. We are a nation of losers, for allowing this type of junk to continue. We really, really are. Since the STOCK act passed, how many Congress and staff have been investigated for insider trading. (Chris Collins still won re-election, and he's the first and only ) Now, ask that question to non-elected citizens. exactly.

Have to visit Rae Dawn's fathers product........I am angry. Why aren't YOU (collective )

[dislaxxic]

SOMEONE HAS ALREADY BEEN CHARGED FOR MOST OF THE ACTIONS THE STEELE DOSSIER ATTRIBUTES TO MICHAEL COHEN

"Because of a McClatchy story claiming two new details corroborating a Steele dossier claim that Michael Cohen had a meeting with people serving the interests of Putin’s Administration, people have gotten themselves into a tizzy again about what a smoking gun it would be if the allegations in the Steele dossier were proven true.

It’s an utterly bizarre tizzy, both because the allegations in the Steele dossier not only don’t match some more damning allegations Cohen has already pled guilty to, but because Mueller has already charged other people for some of the allegations about Cohen made in the dossier. In other words, the McClatchy story has people excited about the wrong allegations, rather than focusing on the damning things Cohen (and others) have already been charged with."

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[Typical Lax Dad]

Like I said....NO ONE CARES. Some Russians posted junk on useless internet business, purporting to "sway" the election. Dr. Jill Stein was in on it too....but NOT Gary Johnson. Why isn't the MSM looking into tRumps overseas bundlers (campaign donors ) WHY?

oh, that's right...they ALL do it. It's amazing that insider trading is illegal, but NOT for the folks that make laws. We are a nation of losers, for allowing this type of junk to continue. We really, really are. Since the STOCK act passed, how many Congress and staff have been investigated for insider trading. (Chris Collins still won re-election, and he's the first and only ) Now, ask that question to non-elected citizens. exactly.

Have to visit Rae Dawn's fathers product........I am angry. Why aren't YOU (collective )

I have yet to see anyone from the MSM make an opening statement in court.... Not many things make me angry in life.

[MDlaxfan76]

TLD, engaging much with Fatty takes one a long way down the rabbit hole. Mad Hatter country.

[old salt]

Flynn RT trip update.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... ept-secret

For nearly two years now, the intelligence community has kept secret evidence in the Russia collusion case that directly undercuts the portrayal of retired Army general and former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn as a Russian stooge.

That silence was maintained even when former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates publicly claimed Flynn was possibly “compromised” by Moscow.
And when a Democratic senator, Al Franken of Minnesota, suggested the former Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) chief posed a “danger to this republic.”
And even when some media outlets opined about whether Flynn’s contacts with Russia were treasonous.

Yes, the Pentagon did give a classified briefing to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) in May 2017, but then it declined the senator’s impassioned plea three months later to make some of that briefing information public.
“It appears the public release of this information would not pose any ongoing risk to national security. Moreover, the declassification would be in the public interest, and is in the interest of fairness to Lt. Gen. Flynn,” Grassley wrote in August 2017.

Were the information Grassley requested made public, America would have learned this, according to my sources:
Before Flynn made his infamous December 2015 trip to Moscow — as a retired general and then-adviser to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign — he alerted his former employer, the DIA. He then attended a “defensive” or “protective” briefing before he ever sat alongside Vladimir Putin at the Russia Today (RT) dinner, or before he talked with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The briefing educated and sensitized Flynn to possible efforts by his Russian host to compromise the former high-ranking defense official and prepared him for conversations in which he could potentially extract intelligence for U.S. agencies such as the DIA.
When Flynn returned from Moscow, he spent time briefing intelligence officials on what he learned during the Moscow contacts. Between two and nine intelligence officials attended the various meetings with Flynn about the RT event, and the information was moderately useful, about what one would expect from a public event, according to my sources.

Rather than a diplomatic embarrassment bordering on treason, Flynn’s conduct at the RT event provided some modest benefit to the U.S. intelligence community, something that many former military and intelligence officers continue to offer their country after retirement when they keep security clearances.

It’s important to wind back many months to where the Russia collusion narrative started and the media frenzy-driven suggestion that Flynn may have been on a mission to compromise America’s security and endanger this great republic when he visited Moscow.

Would the central character in a Russian election hijack plot actually self-disclose his trip in advance? And then sit through a briefing on how to avoid being compromised by his foreign hosts? And then come back to America and be debriefed by U.S intelligence officers about who and what he saw?

And would a prosecutor recommend little or no prison time for a former general if that former military leader truly had compromised national security?

Highly unlikely.

The gap between the original portrayal of Flynn’s activities and the actual facts likely is one of the reasons a prosecutor working for special counsel Robert Mueller pointedly rejected a judge’s suggestion at Flynn’s aborted sentencing last month that the general might have engaged in treason.

There’s no sugar-coating the mistakes Flynn did make. By his own admission, he misled the FBI and Vice President Mike Pence about the fact that sanctions did come up in a December 2016 conversation with Kislyak, then Moscow’s ambassador to the United States. He didn’t file proper foreign-lobbying paperwork for money he received from Turkish sources. And he likely did not file the proper paperwork disclosing or seeking permission for the $45,000 in speaking and travel fees he got for the RT event.

Those are sins for which Flynn has paid, and will pay, dearly.

But there is ample evidence now that the event that many “Russia collusion” cheerleaders have cited as the start of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Moscow was, in fact, something very different.

Flynn’s attendance at the RT event was disclosed in advance to the intelligence community, he took proactive steps to ensure he could not be compromised by attendees, and he then came back to the United States and reported intelligence designed to benefit America.

Flynn was never charged with any wrongdoing related to the RT event, so the belated revelations about his pre- and post-event conduct won’t have any effect on his sentencing in the court of law. But in the court of public opinion, they should have a real impact.

On that score, the first accounts of the Russia-Flynn story — like many others in the still-unproven collusion narrative — should be amended to reflect that the retired general acted like a patriot, not a traitor, when he visited Moscow for the RT event.

Traitor. Lock him up !

[Typical Lax Dad]

More mischaracterization.

[Chips O'Toole]

Traitor. Lock him up !

In your opinion, what is the subject of the substantive material provided by Flynn in the 60+ hours of testimony Flynn to Mueller, which we know was so enormously helpful to the investigation that, in Mueller's view, it justified a time-served sentence as a reward? A reward that Judge Ellis seemed to be extremely reluctant to grant to Flynn, given what Ellis knew (and we do not) of the bad acts Flynn had engaged in? During a hearing in which Ellis questioned Flynn's hypothetical exposure to the crime of treason? What did he talk about for 60 hours? He was only part of the Trump Campaign for like 10 months. Sadly, I've given multiple depositions, taking 2, 3, 4, 6 hours. They all felt like an eternity and covered a wide range of subjects. 60 hours?

Your jocularity about Flynn's legal situation -- for 2 years now -- suggests you think he didn't do anything wrong. So, what was this great U.S. patriot talking about for 60 hours? To the Special Counsel appointed to investigate Russia collusion. Who said his testimony was freaking awesome. Just talking turkey you think?

Here's what I think: (1) Flynn gave extensive testimony about a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia to influence the election, and he gave testimony about several other people who can corroborate this information. (2) Mueller's leniency towards Flynn will ultimately be his most controversial decision, as Flynn deserves much worse. (3) Your attitude about this episode in American history will ultimately be extremely embarrassing to you, as I know you are a veteran and a patriot (notwithstanding your previous statements that you don't care about Russian interference in our elections).

[MDlaxfan76]

Traitor. Lock him up !

In your opinion, what is the subject of the substantive material provided by Flynn in the 60+ hours of testimony Flynn to Mueller, which we know was so enormously helpful to the investigation that, in Mueller's view, it justified a time-served sentence as a reward? A reward that Judge Ellis seemed to be extremely reluctant to grant to Flynn, given what Ellis knew (and we do not) of the bad acts Flynn had engaged in? During a hearing in which Ellis questioned Flynn's hypothetical exposure to the crime of treason? What did he talk about for 60 hours? He was only part of the Trump Campaign for like 10 months. Sadly, I've given multiple depositions, taking 2, 3, 4, 6 hours. They all felt like an eternity and covered a wide range of subjects. 60 hours?

Your jocularity about Flynn's legal situation -- for 2 years now -- suggests you think he didn't do anything wrong. So, what was this great U.S. patriot talking about for 60 hours? To the Special Counsel appointed to investigate Russia collusion. Who said his testimony was freaking awesome. Just talking turkey you think?

Here's what I think: (1) Flynn gave extensive testimony about a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia to influence the election, and he gave testimony about several other people who can corroborate this information. (2) Mueller's leniency towards Flynn will ultimately be his most controversial decision, as Flynn deserves much worse. (3) Your attitude about this episode in American history will ultimately be extremely embarrassing to you, as I know you are a veteran and a patriot (notwithstanding your previous statements that you don't care about Russian interference in our elections).

+1
But it just doesn't fit Salty's narrative.

[dislaxxic]

The article also gives un-earned weight to the whole RT affair. It was a public event and for what it's worth, only a sideshow when viewed against the backdrop of all the irons this treasonous trumpkin had in the fire. Judge Ellis' reaction at the sentencing hearing was VERY telling, IMO.

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[youthathletics]

Traitor. Lock him up !

In your opinion, what is the subject of the substantive material provided by Flynn in the 60+ hours of testimony Flynn to Mueller, which we know was so enormously helpful to the investigation that, in Mueller's view, it justified a time-served sentence as a reward? A reward that Judge Ellis seemed to be extremely reluctant to grant to Flynn, given what Ellis knew (and we do not) of the bad acts Flynn had engaged in? During a hearing in which Ellis questioned Flynn's hypothetical exposure to the crime of treason? What did he talk about for 60 hours? He was only part of the Trump Campaign for like 10 months. Sadly, I've given multiple depositions, taking 2, 3, 4, 6 hours. They all felt like an eternity and covered a wide range of subjects. 60 hours?

Here's what I think: (1) Flynn gave extensive testimony about a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia to influence the election, and he gave testimony about several other people who can corroborate this information.

How do you suppose Flynn knew anything about Russian influence as it relates to the election? That would indicate a few things had to come into play (a) Team Trump trusted that a General would also play their corrupt game and they let him in on the secret (b) that Flynn was willing to flush his entire career down the drain for Team Trump, (c) or possibly Flynn goes down as an American Hero for being an inside informant with Team Trump, preserving his honor of earning General and clearing his name of any wrong doing for the betterment of our Country, (d) or Flynn just caught up in the jet wash of Trump chaos? and (e) that there was indeed Russian Collusion.

[dislaxxic]

A combination of a) and d). Remember, ya...the Trumpies never expected to get elected. Follow the money.

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[MDlaxfan76]

It's interesting that Flynn met with the DIA before and after the RT mtg.

But, how that's actually 'exculpatory' I don't see. Obviously I understand Solomon's twist on this, but he begins with a red herring that Flynn has long been a witting secret agent of the Russian government, indeed prior to that RT mtg.

I'm not sure anyone has seriously thought that Flynn consciously set out to betray the US.

It's far more likely that he believed his various actions were or would be somehow good for the US (and financially for himself), and this became progressively problematic for him once he stopped following basic rules that of course he knew (filing, telling the truth, etc) and as he became aware of what others were similarly doing and lying about. His own direct actions, pre-Trump, were very unlikely to require 60 hours, but what he observed as the #1 foreign affairs advisor to candidate Trump, apparently so.

It's important to understand Solomon's reputation for twisting and omitting facts to create a hotter (right-wing) narrative:

Paul McCleary, writing for the Columbia Journalism Review has been critical of John Solomon's reporting.[3] In 2007, he wrote that Solomon had earned a reputation for hyping stories without solid foundation.[3] In 2012, Mariah Blake, writing for the Columbia Journalism Review, wrote that Solomon "has a history of bending the truth to his storyline," and that he "was notorious for massaging facts to conjure phantom scandals."[4] In 2007, Deborah Howell, then-ombudsman at The Washington Post criticized a story that Solomon wrote for The Post which had suggested impropriety by Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards in a real estate purchase; Solomon failed to add context which would have made clear that there was no impropriety.[19] Progressive news outlets ThinkProgress, Media Matters for America and Crooked Media have argued that Solomon's reporting has a conservative bias and that there are multiple instances of inaccuracies.[20][21][22] Reporters who worked under Solomon as an editor have said that he encouraged them to bend the truth to fit a pre-existing narrative.[4]

In January 2018, Solomon published a report for The Hill suggesting that Peter Strzok and Lisa Page had foreknowledge of a Wall Street Journal article and that they themselves had leaked to the Wall Street Journal.[23] According to the Huffington Post, Solomon's reporting omitted that the Wall Street Journal article Strzok and Page were discussing was critical of Hillary Clinton and the FBI, Strzok and Page expressed dismay at the fallout from the article, and Strzok and Page criticized unauthorized leaks from the FBI. According to the Huffington Post, "Solomon told HuffPost he was not authorized to speak and does not comment on his reporting. He may simply have been unaware of these three facts when he published his story. But they provide crucial context to an incomplete narrative that has been bouncing around the right-wing echo chamber all week."[23]

That same month, Erik Wemple of The Washington Post said that newsroom staffers at The Hill had complained about Solomon's reporting for the publication.[24] The staffers reportedly criticized Solomon's reporting as having a conservative bias and missing important context, and that this undermined The Hill's reputation.[24] They also expressed concerns over Solomon's close relationship with Sean Hannity, whose TV show he appeared on more than a dozen times over a span of three months.[24]

[MDlaxfan76]

Traitor. Lock him up !

In your opinion, what is the subject of the substantive material provided by Flynn in the 60+ hours of testimony Flynn to Mueller, which we know was so enormously helpful to the investigation that, in Mueller's view, it justified a time-served sentence as a reward? A reward that Judge Ellis seemed to be extremely reluctant to grant to Flynn, given what Ellis knew (and we do not) of the bad acts Flynn had engaged in? During a hearing in which Ellis questioned Flynn's hypothetical exposure to the crime of treason? What did he talk about for 60 hours? He was only part of the Trump Campaign for like 10 months. Sadly, I've given multiple depositions, taking 2, 3, 4, 6 hours. They all felt like an eternity and covered a wide range of subjects. 60 hours?

Here's what I think: (1) Flynn gave extensive testimony about a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia to influence the election, and he gave testimony about several other people who can corroborate this information.

How do you suppose Flynn knew anything about Russian influence as it relates to the election? That would indicate a few things had to come into play (a) Team Trump trusted that a General would also play their corrupt game and they let him in on the secret (b) that Flynn was willing to flush his entire career down the drain for Team Trump, (c) or possibly Flynn goes down as an American Hero for being an inside informant with Team Trump, preserving his honor of earning General and clearing his name of any wrong doing for the betterment of our Country, (d) or Flynn just caught up in the jet wash of Trump chaos? and (e) that there was indeed Russian Collusion.

dislaxxic may be correct. I'd say a), d) and e).

But I'm not sure any of the Trump crime family really think of themselves as "corrupt". These folks actually think of themselves as just smarter and tougher business people, in a very hard-nosed world, and who are cynical about the suckers who they take, whether banks or business partners or customers (voters and citizens). It's a culture of amorality that thinks if you don't get caught, or if you don't get punished, or you can buy off the claim cheap, you won.

But Flynn was just one more sucker they could use (and no one else of note was signing up), playing to his being angry at being shunted aside and his eagerness to define the world's challenge as a battle of civilizations against Islamists, the battle he'd devoted his life to up to then. And, they could entice him with prospects of influence and wealth. Relevance and material reward.

Likewise, I'm not so sure that Trump and his team ever thought they were doing something actually wrong with working with Putin to defeat or at least damage HRC. Again, this is amorality. Not ignorance of the rules, simply that if you don't get caught...

And their objective was to set the stage for a right wing media and real estate empire. And, ironically, they very likely would have gotten away with it had they not unexpectedly won the White House and, thus, felt the need to cover-up their tracks under the greater scrutiny.

From Putin's POV, it's much more likely that his goal was to damage HRC and trust in America both at home and abroad, to exacerbate existing divisions in the body politic. Damage democracy, indeed the world's leading democracy.

Thereby opening up lanes for Putin's primary long term objective, the restoration of Russia as a superpower with major influence around the world, much as they had in his youth and early adulthood in the KGB.

[dislaxxic]

was reading too quickly...didn't mean to exclude e)...

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