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[Peter Brown]

Biden gave a rousing talk on Climate change the other day.
Posts this to his twitter account a day later:

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/130 ... 41984?s=20

It’s such a scam. I feel bad for most of the lemmings who buy into it. I don’t feel bad for those who profit off the fear (Gore, Obama, etc).

[Peter Brown]

Hey, if this Democratic pervert Jerry Harris had simply waited until California Democrats pass their new child pornography laws making it LEGAL to have sex with a 13 year old boy, he'd be in the clear!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/entertai ... index.html

Oh well, another BLM fake supporter who also said Kamala was 'da bomb' goes down in flames.

Serious question: is every pedophile a Democrat? Cause I am starting to feel like that's the case.

Even Joe Biden chatted the dude up:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... arris.html

[kramerica.inc]

More ‘do as I say, not as I do...’

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lakemc ... asion/amp/

[Peter Brown]

It’s pretty telling that everyone just assumes there will be rioting and violence whenever Democrats are upset about something.

[cradleandshoot]

Biden gave a rousing talk on Climate change the other day.
Posts this to his twitter account a day later:

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/130 ... 41984?s=20

It’s such a scam. I feel bad for most of the lemmings who buy into it. I don’t feel bad for those who profit off the fear (Gore, Obama, etc).

That is what the CC/GW issue has always been about. People making money off of gullible people.

[Peter Brown]

Biden gave a rousing talk on Climate change the other day.
Posts this to his twitter account a day later:

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/130 ... 41984?s=20

It’s such a scam. I feel bad for most of the lemmings who buy into it. I don’t feel bad for those who profit off the fear (Gore, Obama, etc).

That is what the CC/GW issue has always been about. People making money off of gullible people.

Yup.

[a fan]

Biden gave a rousing talk on Climate change the other day.
Posts this to his twitter account a day later:

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/130 ... 41984?s=20

It’s such a scam. I feel bad for most of the lemmings who buy into it. I don’t feel bad for those who profit off the fear (Gore, Obama, etc).

That is what the CC/GW issue has always been about. People making money off of gullible people.

Sure. But the problem is----that goes for both sides.

Ask a lifelong, 2nd generation farmer......find one in their 60's. Ask them how much earlier their harvest is, regardless of crop...than it was when they are kids.

No scientists. No liberals. Just a plain spoken farmer, telling you how many weeks earlier he harvests his spring crop because the climate in his region is warming with each passing year.

And when you hear what he tells you, let me know......I know about dozen diehard TrumpFan Farmers. And each and every one of them will tell you that their climate is changing, and getting warmer.

[RedFromMI]

The fact that the climate is changing is really not in doubt. The fact that the changes are significant are not either.

The fact that the deniers don't really have a good argument that it is not changing is also not in doubt.

Hence the "scam" label...if you cannot refute the science attack the motivations...

[cradleandshoot]

Biden gave a rousing talk on Climate change the other day.
Posts this to his twitter account a day later:

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/130 ... 41984?s=20

It’s such a scam. I feel bad for most of the lemmings who buy into it. I don’t feel bad for those who profit off the fear (Gore, Obama, etc).

That is what the CC/GW issue has always been about. People making money off of gullible people.

Sure. But the problem is----that goes for both sides.

Ask a lifelong, 2nd generation farmer......find one in their 60's. Ask them how much earlier their harvest is, regardless of crop...than it was when they are kids.

No scientists. No liberals. Just a plain spoken farmer, telling you how many weeks earlier he harvests his spring crop because the climate in his region is warming with each passing year.

And when you hear what he tells you, let me know......I know about dozen diehard TrumpFan Farmers. And each and every one of them will tell you that their climate is changing, and getting warmer.

I can give you a very unscientific reply. Our local sweet corn crop began coming in a couple weeks after the 4th of July. The same as it has done for decades if not my entire life. Today I am going to my local farm market because the last corn picking of the season is the silver queen corn.. it is now in. It comes in the same time every year. My dad had his own phrase for the corn crop. Knee high by the 4th of July. My own little vegetable garden came right in like clock work. I plant it on memorial day weekend. Late July the tomatoes start to ripen. Everything I planted was right on schedule. I know here in upstate ny farmers crops have not come in earlier because they plant them the same time every year, weather permitting.

[youthathletics]

The fact that the climate is changing is really not in doubt. The fact that the changes are significant are not either.

The fact that the deniers don't really have a good argument that it is not changing is also not in doubt.

Hence the "scam" label...if you cannot refute the science attack the motivations...

Fair argument, but the that is also the conundrum....we are arguing over the science that is attempting to prove it is directly related to the people of the world.....one side of science seems to want to fit the climate changes into a box 'b/c our actions', another side is trying to figure out if it is even possible that we could impact it, and another is simply trying to make sense of it all, and then the sleezeballs are trying to capitalize off it.

[Peter Brown]

The fact that the climate is changing is really not in doubt. The fact that the changes are significant are not either.

The fact that the deniers don't really have a good argument that it is not changing is also not in doubt.

Hence the "scam" label...if you cannot refute the science attack the motivations...

FEAR: 'False Evidence Appearing Real'.

Al Gore on the other hand:

https://nationalcenter.org/ncppr/2019/0 ... nt-estate/

[a fan]

I can give you a very unscientific reply. Our local sweet corn crop began coming in a couple weeks after the 4th of July. The same as it has done for decades if not my entire life. Today I am going to my local farm market because the last corn picking of the season is the silver queen corn.. it is now in. It comes in the same time every year. My dad had his own phrase for the corn crop. Knee high by the 4th of July. My own little vegetable garden came right in like clock work. I plant it on memorial day weekend. Late July the tomatoes start to ripen. Everything I planted was right on schedule. I know here in upstate ny farmers crops have not come in earlier because they plant them the same time every year, weather permitting.

Interesting. Canada has been fairly steady.....same for more northern states

My dads grandfather was a corn farmer near Syracuse!

As for Colorado? Barley crop was in by the end of July. Farmers here have it as a month earlier than when they were kids.

Same for my German friends in the black forest. Most fruits drifted into the first week of September. Last two years? A month earlier than when they were kids. Which seems odd, because its quite a bit further north than Rochester/Syracuse.


I love that your dad passed along that saying to you. These centuries old rules of thumb for growing things makes me happy.

[RedFromMI]

The early effects of climate change are not distributed evenly across the US or for that matter the world. But there are areas of the world for which a 2K increase in temperature has already happened, and the effects have been obvious.

[ardilla secreta]

Bumblebees Are Larger in Cities, Study Finds. Bigger bees have larger brains and are better pollinators.

Just like with people.

[youthathletics]

The early effects of climate change are not distributed evenly across the US or for that matter the world. But there are areas of the world for which a 2K increase in temperature has already happened, and the effects have been obvious.

Maybe it is good thing, and Mother Nature is healing itself from itself, and in return provide agriculture to expand and shift regions. Can science measure that?

[RedFromMI]

The early effects of climate change are not distributed evenly across the US or for that matter the world. But there are areas of the world for which a 2K increase in temperature has already happened, and the effects have been obvious.

Maybe it is good thing, and Mother Nature is healing itself from itself, and in return provide agriculture to expand and shift regions. Can science measure that?

Science can measure a lot of the changes, but "healing" does not appear to be evident in a major way, as the rate of change in CO2 levels is pretty large.

The problem with agricultural shifts is that it is not a simple warming - the change in weather patterns (climate) will also involve changes in precipitation patterns, for example, and that will lead to some productive areas becoming much less productive, and not necessarily the formerly unproductive areas becoming enough more productive to compensate.

Also, there is a significant investment in agriculture that is not so easy to shift...

[cradleandshoot]

The fact that the climate is changing is really not in doubt. The fact that the changes are significant are not either.

The fact that the deniers don't really have a good argument that it is not changing is also not in doubt.

Hence the "scam" label...if you cannot refute the science attack the motivations...

Dr Spencer and quite a few other scientists have put forth valid and rational counter points based on their own research. Is science about consensus or is science about truth? My point is not about the climate changing. I have said all along and I will ask you... what is the mechanism in any solutions being proposed that will reverse what is happening? I am not a PhD scientist but I am smart enough to read between the lines. There is not a single responsible and honest scientist out there that can assure the world they can reverse CC/GW. It boils down to if we do everything some scientists say... MAYBE just MAYBE the climate will find its way back to its natural equilibrium, whatever that is suppose to be? I bet scientists could debate that forever and not agree what that is suppose to be. My guess it is whatever the consensus of scientists claim it should be. IMO, trying to change what the planet will do is pretty damn risky business in my book. What the hell trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars will lead us to the path of environmental nirvana

[RedFromMI]

The fact that the climate is changing is really not in doubt. The fact that the changes are significant are not either.

The fact that the deniers don't really have a good argument that it is not changing is also not in doubt.

Hence the "scam" label...if you cannot refute the science attack the motivations...

Dr Spencer and quite a few other scientists have put forth valid and rational counter points based on their own research. Is science about consensus or is science about truth? My point is not about the climate changing. I have said all along and I will ask you... what is the mechanism in any solutions being proposed that will reverse what is happening? I am not a PhD scientist but I am smart enough to read between the lines. There is not a single responsible and honest scientist out there that can assure the world they can reverse CC/GW. It boils down to if we do everything some scientists say... MAYBE just MAYBE the climate will find its way back to its natural equilibrium, whatever that is suppose to be? I bet scientists could debate that forever and not agree what that is suppose to be. My guess it is whatever the consensus of scientists claim it should be. IMO, trying to change what the planet will do is pretty damn risky business in my book. What the hell trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars will lead us to the path of environmental nirvana

Not quite a few - VERY few. Science accepts what cannot be disproved in reality. Spencer, for the most part with his "contrarian" research is not being accepted because scientists in the field are the ones who decide what is considered "good" science or not. Until he is able to convince his peers he is right, he will not be accepted as anything but a contrarian who has a quite minority position.

And there are lots of proposals to slow things down and even reverse some of the bad effects. If it is reducing GHGs, switching to more renewables, plus nuclear. Better/more efficient use of fuels in transportation before we are able to build a replacement fleet that uses renewable/nuclear power.

Sequestering CO2 via trees, ground storage, etc. have been proposed. Some have big problems or costs, others do not.

As far as "natural" balance - that is a complicated question. But the reality is that CC will be disruptive. The ultimate question is do you just accept the disruptions and their costs, or do you work to mitigate it at a likely lesser cost?

[runrussellrun]

It's only the hypocrites honey....only them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw4sOLfeHng

[runrussellrun]

what is wrong with the young people today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN9egLeLZkw