Orange Duce

[a fan]

I just love it when my President echoes Himmler!!

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Stand for the America that defeated the National Socialists while you can.

There is a chitload of ways to criticize trump. Why do so many of you libs keep playing the nazi card all the time?

Same reason FoxNation called Obama a Muslim. It plays....

[cradleandshoot]

I just love it when my President echoes Himmler!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/stat ... 1389463553

Stand for the America that defeated the National Socialists while you can.

There is a chitload of ways to criticize trump. Why do so many of you libs keep playing the nazi card all the time?

Same reason FoxNation called Obama a Muslim. It plays....

BHO stated without a doubt he was a Christian. Trump has a list of defects of character that stretches to infinity. To call him a nazi is pretty foolish. He has not started rounding up all the jews yet to the best of my knowledge.

[cradleandshoot]

I just love it when my President echoes Himmler!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/stat ... 1389463553

Stand for the America that defeated the National Socialists while you can.

There is a chitload of ways to criticize trump. Why do so many of you libs keep playing the nazi card all the time?

Assuming this is a serious question, I will try to give you a serious answer, and sorry in advance if this sounds pedantic.

Broadly, speaking, fascism is the politics of "us" and "them." It follows a cult-like reverence for a leader figure, who promises to restore a national identity that has been lost, and lost because of its theft or dilution by an "other." Nazism's other was Jews, who, the populous was told, had rigged the system in their favor, and did so through their secret and walled off avenues of cheating success. Trump's followers -- and I hasten to say that I only see one of two of this sort on these boards -- buy into his message of deep grievance, and I think it is fair to say largely white grievance, at having been displaced by a mongrelized melting pot, which doesn't follow their ways, religions, and cultural norms, and which seeks to diminish them further. Trump, it simply must be admitted, is a divider and demonizer. He settles one set of Americans into the role of "loyal" and "faithful" followers of him and by extension the America that once was the best, the strongest. "MAGA" is a motto that fits neatly with the rise of the Nationals Socialists in the late 1920s and early 1930s. MAGA says, in a neat little acronym, join us to make us what we once were, how things once worked, and how society once looked. And its leader, Il Duce, has identified minorities, leftists, and immigrants as the internal enemy that fascism absolutely requires to thrive.

To almost all observers with any background in history, the RNC was a near-fascist revival meeting. I described its scripted demonization of the left, and scripted falsities about the "other" and their standard bearer, Biden, as "far left radicals as a latter day Triumph of the Will.

More specifically, Trump is a minority vote President. So was the Fuhrer. Trump threaded the EC needle, and lost the popular vote by nearly 3,000,000 votes. Combined with the votes that went to Doober Gary and Dr. Jill, votes not for Trump outnumbered votes for Trump by something on the order of 7,000,000. He has, since the inauguration, attempted to repel this reality.

Trump directly and effectively whips up his base in an unvarnished manner. So did his counterpart in the 1930s, through mass rallies and at least two dedicated news dailies. Both demonize the opposition, and call into question their patriotism. That is, and I think this is crucial, Trump equates opposition to him as unfaithful to the national interest, and willingness to follow him as an act of patriotism. No American leader in my lifetime has come anywhere close to making this binary distinction so often, so clear, and so greedily as Trump: if you don't support me, you hate America, you hate the Constitution (notwithstanding his constant assault on it and perversion of it), you hate your neighbors who do tow the loyalty line. You see this message resonating clearly from the Idiot PB in nearly every one of his blindingly stupid posts.

There are others: enriching elites and choosing winners; there are plenty of latter day KruppWerks operating here now. Mass rallies to soak up and project adulation. Intense nationalism. Threats and acts of deportation. Threats of violence against citizen protests and citizen action. The rejection of erstwhile international institutions and governing norms. Glorification of the military, and "ownership" of "my generals."

I'll conclude with three parallels that I think are important:

(1) Trump and his functionaries constantly attack the media. He did this again last night to his crowd in Minnesota, when he said he should "pull the licenses" of CNN and NBC.

(2) News that is loyal and positive about the President is not only good news, but "true news;" the rest is fake or false. Trump's most consistent and ardent act has been to destabilize facts, to lie about them, and to get his followers to echo-echo-echo the falsities.

(3) Deep and serious attacks on institutions on which Americans have long depended and relied. There is nary a single Executive agency that is not in the process of being bent to the will of the reelection campaign. Foreign policy is undertaken by loyal amateurs instead of the long trusted and professional diplomatic corps, and is used to look for information that will consolidate the President's domestic power and position. The FBI, CIA and DOJ are either excoriated as unreliable -- which means not totally loyal -- or is already under the leadership of people whose loyalty to the President's wishes and whims is clear and acted upon.

I am not suggesting that Democrats will one day be ushered in special reeducation camps. I am suggesting that our government is dangerously and seriously out of balance, and that unless Congress has the will to admonish and control the baser instincts of this President, and fall under the power of his followers, we are in for a very rough time.

Very well put coaster. I can understand the phrase nazi like or nazi ish. When you outright label him a nazi that is more rhetoric than fact.
FTR that picture PB posted is also troubling and nazi like in a way. A group of people harassing a woman trying to eat her meal because she would not raise her fist in unison with them. Didn't the Nazis use to arrest people who refused to raise their hand to salute der fuehrer?

[seacoaster]

A group of unruly citizens seems to me to be less consequential than the legal head of government and head of state telling people to beat on protestors, hate immigrants, hate Democrats, keep Robert E. Lee in mind when they vote, etc. The people misbehaving in PB's stupid photo aren't carrying out the words of their Leader. C'mon man; you know better than that.

[cradleandshoot]

A group of unruly citizens seems to me to be less consequential than the legal head of government and head of state telling people to beat on protestors, hate immigrants, hate Democrats, keep Robert E. Lee in mind when they vote, etc. The people misbehaving in PB's stupid photo aren't carrying out the words of their Leader. C'mon man; you know better than that.

when you can't eat a meal in peace without being frightened or intimidated by a group of people, that is not a group of unruly citizens. The woman was clearly scared to death and you can only refer to it as a stupid photo. If that woman had got in my grill like that she would have been wearing a face full of whatever I was eating. The intimidation factor here was disgusting and off the charts. A similar incident was those 2 young girls who stole the trump hat and sign from that 7 year old boy. I am guessing if you were eating a meal outside with your wife and a group of right wing fundamentalist christians got in your grill demanding you "pray" with them you would consider that behavior a little more than unruly. You can't in good faith condemn the tactics on one side while making excuses for the tactics being used on your side. My particular philosophy is live and let live. Protest all you want until the cows come home. When you try and demand solidarity with your point of view from me, that ain't gonna fly. That is not how you win over hearts and minds. Persuasion over intimidation would probably work much more effectively.

[youthathletics]

seacoaster is right, we are out of synch. Strangely, the nazi label of Trump and what is implied he is doing, seems to be playing out by the anti-fascist groups...in other words, either Trump is not really nazi-ish or the ANTIFA types are really facist in hiding.

[MDlaxfan76]

I just love it when my President echoes Himmler!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/stat ... 1389463553

Stand for the America that defeated the National Socialists while you can.

There is a chitload of ways to criticize trump. Why do so many of you libs keep playing the nazi card all the time?

Same reason FoxNation called Obama a Muslim. It plays....

BHO stated without a doubt he was a Christian. Trump has a list of defects of character that stretches to infinity. To call him a nazi is pretty foolish. He has not started rounding up all the jews yet to the best of my knowledge.

caging children, Muslim ban, demonization of the Other, attacking judges, the FBI, the IC, the "generals", the press, the contempt for the law, the demand of "loyalty" to Der Leader, the claims of 'exceptionalism' and 'right' through power...the question has always been not just what Trump has done so far, but what Trump and Trumpism unrestrained will do as other institutions are undermined to the point of being ineffectual as restraints.

Nazi is a quite specific label, which seems to me to be unnecessary to describe the generally fascistic, authoritarian bent of Trumpism. That said, it does have strong parallels, particularly in its underlying nativist, nationalist, racist motivations and 'appeals'.

[Peter Brown]

A group of unruly citizens seems to me to be less consequential than the legal head of government and head of state telling people to beat on protestors, hate immigrants, hate Democrats, keep Robert E. Lee in mind when they vote, etc. The people misbehaving in PB's stupid photo aren't carrying out the words of their Leader. C'mon man; you know better than that.

If I posted 1,000 videos per day here of ‘unruly’ Democrats in dozens of American cities, seacoaster would still think it’s a small problem. And I can.

[Peter Brown]

I just love it when my President echoes Himmler!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/stat ... 1389463553

Stand for the America that defeated the National Socialists while you can.

There is a chitload of ways to criticize trump. Why do so many of you libs keep playing the nazi card all the time?

Same reason FoxNation called Obama a Muslim. It plays....

BHO stated without a doubt he was a Christian. Trump has a list of defects of character that stretches to infinity. To call him a nazi is pretty foolish. He has not started rounding up all the jews yet to the best of my knowledge.

caging children, Muslim ban, demonization of the Other, attacking judges, the FBI, the IC, the "generals", the press, the contempt for the law, the demand of "loyalty" to Der Leader, the claims of 'exceptionalism' and 'right' through power...the question has always been not just what Trump has done so far, but what Trump and Trumpism unrestrained will do as other institutions are undermined to the point of being ineffectual as restraints.

Nazi is a quite specific label, which seems to me to be unnecessary to describe the generally fascistic, authoritarian bent of Trumpism. That said, it does have strong parallels, particularly in its underlying nativist, nationalist, racist motivations and 'appeals'.

MD doesn’t seem to grasp what authoritarian and fascist means.

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[Brooklyn]

BHO stated without a doubt he was a Christian. Trump has a list of defects of character that stretches to infinity. To call him a nazi is pretty foolish. He has not started rounding up all the jews yet to the best of my knowledge.

Yes, it is true that tRUMP has not rounded up Jews. However, he has spared no effort to round up Hispanics and sent them into exile. This while allowing white illegals from Russia, Israel, and elsewhere to remain.

Right wingers had absolutely no difficulty with calling Obama or anyone else who disgarees with them "Marxists", "Socialists", and "commies". In fact, right wingers have done that enough times on this forum and in the old LP forum as well.

[Peter Brown]

BHO stated without a doubt he was a Christian. Trump has a list of defects of character that stretches to infinity. To call him a nazi is pretty foolish. He has not started rounding up all the jews yet to the best of my knowledge.

Yes, it is true that tRUMP has not rounded up Jews. However, he has spared no effort to round up Hispanics and sent them into exile. This while allowing white illegals from Russia, Israel, and elsewhere to remain.

Right wingers had absolutely no difficulty with calling Obama or anyone else who disgarees with them "Marxists", "Socialists", and "commies". In fact, right wingers have done that enough times on this forum and in the old LP forum as well.

Another lie.

The number of Europeans deported this federal fiscal year from the United States could surpass last fiscal year’s total, according to figures provided to The Associated Press by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

https://apnews.com/be77cac92f4d494ba120 ... iscal-year

[Brooklyn]

MD doesn’t seem to grasp what authoritarian and fascist means.


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Petey doesn’t seem to grasp what authoritarian and fascist means.

[Brooklyn]

Another lie.

The number of Europeans deported this federal fiscal year from the United States could surpass last fiscal year’s total, according to figures provided to The Associated Press by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

https://apnews.com/be77cac92f4d494ba120 ... iscal-year

a handful compared to tens of thousands - thanks for pointing that truth

[Peter Brown]

MD doesn’t seem to grasp what authoritarian and fascist means.

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Petey doesn’t seem to grasp what authoritarian and fascist means.

Wow, those guys look dangerous! Did they smash windows, accost gays, toss molotovs at cops, burn down whole neighborhoods, sucker punch elderly men, and shoot complete strangers in the face with guns?

Just asking because I know Democrats have done all three just in the last 24 hours.

[Brooklyn]

Wow, those guys look dangerous! Did they smash windows, accost gays, toss molotovs at cops, burn down whole neighborhoods, sucker punch elderly men, and shoot complete strangers in the face with guns?

Just asking because I know Democrats have done all three just in the last 24 hours.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/2-members ... minnesota/


Shall we go back into the history of your pals with the Murrah building, Charlottesville, and other naughtiness?

[Peter Brown]

Wow, those guys look dangerous! Did they smash windows, accost gays, toss molotovs at cops, burn down whole neighborhoods, sucker punch elderly men, and shoot complete strangers in the face with guns?

Just asking because I know Democrats have done all three just in the last 24 hours.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/2-members ... minnesota/

Shall we go back into the history of your pals with the Murrah building, Charlottesville, and other naughtiness?

What is the cutoff for historical whataboutism? I'd have no problem reviewing the Democrat's affiliation with the KKK if we can go back.

What I prefer to discuss is what affects us TODAY, which groups are nightly setting fire to cities TODAY.

[cradleandshoot]

I just love it when my President echoes Himmler!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/stat ... 1389463553

Stand for the America that defeated the National Socialists while you can.

There is a chitload of ways to criticize trump. Why do so many of you libs keep playing the nazi card all the time?

Same reason FoxNation called Obama a Muslim. It plays....

BHO stated without a doubt he was a Christian. Trump has a list of defects of character that stretches to infinity. To call him a nazi is pretty foolish. He has not started rounding up all the jews yet to the best of my knowledge.

caging children, Muslim ban, demonization of the Other, attacking judges, the FBI, the IC, the "generals", the press, the contempt for the law, the demand of "loyalty" to Der Leader, the claims of 'exceptionalism' and 'right' through power...the question has always been not just what Trump has done so far, but what Trump and Trumpism unrestrained will do as other institutions are undermined to the point of being ineffectual as restraints.

Nazi is a quite specific label, which seems to me to be unnecessary to describe the generally fascistic, authoritarian bent of Trumpism. That said, it does have strong parallels, particularly in its underlying nativist, nationalist, racist motivations and 'appeals'.

The " caging" of children began under the BHO administration. Many of the pictures of those kids posted on line were taken when BHO was president. Why hasn't the problem at the border been " fixed "? It has been a festering sore for decades.

[youthathletics]

I just love it when my President echoes Himmler!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/stat ... 1389463553

Stand for the America that defeated the National Socialists while you can.

There is a chitload of ways to criticize trump. Why do so many of you libs keep playing the nazi card all the time?

Same reason FoxNation called Obama a Muslim. It plays....

BHO stated without a doubt he was a Christian. Trump has a list of defects of character that stretches to infinity. To call him a nazi is pretty foolish. He has not started rounding up all the jews yet to the best of my knowledge.

caging children, Muslim ban, demonization of the Other, attacking judges, the FBI, the IC, the "generals", the press, the contempt for the law, the demand of "loyalty" to Der Leader, the claims of 'exceptionalism' and 'right' through power...the question has always been not just what Trump has done so far, but what Trump and Trumpism unrestrained will do as other institutions are undermined to the point of being ineffectual as restraints.

Nazi is a quite specific label, which seems to me to be unnecessary to describe the generally fascistic, authoritarian bent of Trumpism. That said, it does have strong parallels, particularly in its underlying nativist, nationalist, racist motivations and 'appeals'.

The " caging" of children began under the BHO administration. Many of the pictures of those kids posted on line were taken when BHO was president. Why hasn't the problem at the border been " fixed "? It has been a festering sore for decades.

Correct.

[seacoaster]

seacoaster is right, we are out of synch. Strangely, the nazi label of Trump and what is implied he is doing, seems to be playing out by the anti-fascist groups...in other words, either Trump is not really nazi-ish or the ANTIFA types are really facist in hiding.

I am not calling Trump a "Nazi" as such. I am saying that Trump's manner of governance has many, and many disturbing parallels to the manner in which authoritarian regimes, including the 1930s National Socialists, tore away at governing and democratic institutions to have their way, and finally transform a republican or democratic government into an anti-democratic regime.

Forgive me for saying it, but comparing street protestors to a Head of State and Government, who can legally direct the forces of the state's public fisc, law enforcement and military, is ludicrous. Only a few days ago, egged on by Judge Box 'o Wine, Trump declared that he would have the power to, and would, put down protests relating to the election as "insurrection." This, like so many bombastic statements by this Moron, has passed off as nothing or no big deal. If Bush or Gore had responded this way to such a question, the country would have been in uproar. Now, in response, folks are content to post photos of people in the streets, and activists interrupting dinner.

Trump's constant pseudo-strongman act and relentless, corrosive lying have desensitized many, many Americans. If you don't think this President poses a threat to the country you thoughts you knew and had, you aren't listening, or don't know enough to translate and understand what is happening.

[Typical Lax Dad]

seacoaster is right, we are out of synch. Strangely, the nazi label of Trump and what is implied he is doing, seems to be playing out by the anti-fascist groups...in other words, either Trump is not really nazi-ish or the ANTIFA types are really facist in hiding.

I am not calling Trump a "Nazi" as such. I am saying that Trump's manner of governance has many, and many disturbing parallels to the manner in which authoritarian regimes, including the 1930s National Socialists, tore away at governing and democratic institutions to have their way, and finally transform a republican or democratic government into an anti-democratic regime.

Forgive me for saying it, but comparing street protestors to a Head of State and Government, who can legally direct the forces of the state's public fisc, law enforcement and military, is ludicrous. Only a few days ago, egged on by Judge Box 'o Wine, Trump declared that he would have the power to, and would, put down protests relating to the election as "insurrection." This, like so many bombastic statements by this Moron, has passed off as nothing or no big deal. If Bush or Gore had responded this way to such a question, the country would have been in uproar. Now, in response, folks are content to post photos of people in the streets, and activists interrupting dinner.

Trump's constant pseudo-strongman act and relentless, corrosive lying have desensitized many, many Americans. If you don't think this President poses a threat to the country you thoughts you knew and had, you aren't listening, or don't know enough to translate and understand what is happening.

I was going to add to your post from the other day that in addition to this administration being in power despite receiving 7 million fewer votes to opposition candidates, we are also under minority rule as the senate is controlled by politicians representing a minority of voters. We look more like a third world country politically versus what this country used to look like.

Also: https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/20/business ... index.html

Taliban type mentality.

https://thediplomat.com/2016/11/the-sch ... e-taliban/