All things CoronaVirus

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How many of your friends and family members have died of the Chinese Corona Virus?

0 people
45
64%
1 person.
10
14%
2 people.
3
4%
3 people.
5
7%
More.
7
10%
 
Total votes: 70

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ggait wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:56 am
It has to do with our size, dispersal, decentralized govt structure & travel patterns. We were too big, too dispersed & lacked the adequate public health infrastructure, test kits, lab capacity & ppe to do adequate contact tracing & isolation. We were playing catch up from the start.
There's some truth to this.
There's a lot of truth to this.

Especially the part about public health infrastructure, test kids, lab capacity, and all the things we need as a 1st world nation that we do. not. have.

Private health care works great for guys like me. I can swallow any premium you throw at me, no problem.

That does ZERO good in a pandemic. We need to move to the same systems that are in place everywhere else.

Why? If you want to look at this from a Montgomery Burns perspective.....greed. The lack of health care for all has DESTROYED our economy. So look at it from that perspective, and create a hybrid system that allows for private doctors, but ensures baseline care for all. Make it about money, and a healthy workforce if the human angle doesn't cut if for you.
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DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:05 pm Who in the Trump administration, besides Trump, thought it was a good idea to allow Woodward (the slayer of presidents) to interview Trump 18 times ... and let him record those interviews?

DocBarrister :?:


Smartest take you've had since I have been here.

Not sure why any Republican even goes on any msm channel or allows msm journos any access. They are your enemy...remember that and you'll be fine.
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https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/ ... 6645937153

February 7, 2020. More deadly. More serious. No disclosure. No action.

Trump owns this.
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Good question.

Bob probably got distracted during the interviews because he kept hearing Kaching Kaching in his head.
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Peter Brown wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:26 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:05 pm Who in the Trump administration, besides Trump, thought it was a good idea to allow Woodward (the slayer of presidents) to interview Trump 18 times ... and let him record those interviews?

DocBarrister :?:


Smartest take you've had since I have been here.

Not sure why any Republican even goes on any msm channel or allows msm journos any access. They are your enemy...remember that and you'll be fine.
ROFLMFAO. Notice how the troll exclaims the criticisms, but doesn't deny the content?

It doesn't matter though, as many have already said. We're living in two parallel universes. Where are the Howard Bakers when you need them?
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:33 pm https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/ ... 6645937153

February 7, 2020. More deadly. More serious. No disclosure. No action.

Trump owns this.
:roll: Another hit job. Interesting they start their time in February, and yet he shut down china flights a week prior. And Alex Azar declares a public emergency on the 31st. SoP from the #Orangemanbad propagandists.
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SCLaxAttack wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:46 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:26 pm
DocBarrister wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:05 pm Who in the Trump administration, besides Trump, thought it was a good idea to allow Woodward (the slayer of presidents) to interview Trump 18 times ... and let him record those interviews?

DocBarrister :?:


Smartest take you've had since I have been here.

Not sure why any Republican even goes on any msm channel or allows msm journos any access. They are your enemy...remember that and you'll be fine.
ROFLMFAO. Notice how the troll exclaims the criticisms, but doesn't deny the content?

It doesn't matter though, as many have already said. We're living in two parallel universes. Where are the Howard Bakers when you need them?


They're in the Democratic party, where they have always been more comfortable. They get gigs on MSNBC and CNN, two propaganda channels now.
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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Anyone see the IMPOTUS liar press secretary scurry away from presser today! LOL


https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1303747874904178688
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:49 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:33 pm https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/ ... 6645937153

February 7, 2020. More deadly. More serious. No disclosure. No action.

Trump owns this.
:roll: Another hit job. Interesting they start their time in February, and yet he shut down china flights a week prior. And Alex Azar declares a public emergency on the 31st. SoP from the #Orangemanbad propagandists.
You've lost yourself. And it is nothing less than sad.

Preparation is the key to managing any crisis large or small. Getting out in front of things is always better. Honest disclosure, even with the short term pain of the facts, is always better in the long run. Trump and his administration failed in respect to all of these axioms of crisis management and good governance. And you give him a pass, and worse, try to blame the unknowing public, and the journalists for reporting it. You reached the bottom yet. Wow.
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HE KNEW!

President Donald Trump admitted he knew weeks before the first confirmed US coronavirus death that the virus was dangerous, airborne, highly contagious and "more deadly than even your strenuous flus," and that he repeatedly played it down publicly, according to legendary journalist Bob Woodward in his new book "Rage."

"This is deadly stuff," Trump told Woodward on February 7.
In a series of interviews with Woodward, Trump revealed that he had a surprising level of detail about the threat of the virus earlier than previously known. "Pretty amazing," Trump told Woodward, adding that the coronavirus was maybe five times "more deadly" than the flu.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics ... index.html

Though White House Coronavirus Task Force member Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted as early as March that the virus could kill 100,000 to 200,000 Americans, Trump has had his own ever-shifting goalposts for what counts as a successful response. On April 20, he predicted 50,000 to 60,000 dead from Covid-19. A week later, he revised his estimate to 70,000. On May 4, it was 80,000 to 100,000 people, and we now know it will continue to climb past that mark.

Throughout the pandemic, however, much of the Trump administration’s spin — regarding Trump’s own response, China’s role, and more — has been misleading, if not outright untrue. Here’s what Trump and the federal government have — and have not — done to respond to the virus.

2019
In late 2019, the coronavirus wasn’t on much of the world’s radar. President Trump was becoming the third president in US history to be impeached. We now know, however, that the first cases of the virus were cropping up as early as November. Here’s where things stood late last year:

November 17: Although it was not diagnosed as such at the time, researchers have now identified the first confirmed Covid-19 case as having been seen on November 17 in China’s Hubei province.

December 27: A man in France, who is now the first known Covid-19 patient outside of China, goes to the emergency room with a fever and difficulty breathing. At the time, Covid-19 was still unheard of outside of China.

December 31: The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission reports the first cluster of cases of a “pneumonia of unknown cause,” later identified as Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, now called SARS-CoV-2.

January 2020
Though new discoveries — such as the December case in France mentioned above — keep pushing the timeline of the virus back, much of the world began to take note of a mysterious pneumonia-like illness in China in January 2020, which at the time was mostly centered in the Hubei province. On January 5, the World Health Organization (WHO) published a preliminary news item about the then-unidentified disease; at the time, it was a relatively distant concern in the US, particularly given the country had yet to see any confirmed cases.

But the coronavirus’s threat was of concern to US national security officials, who, as the Washington Post reported in March, were warning Trump of the global danger posed by the virus in daily intelligence briefings as early as January.

Nonetheless, in public comments and tweets, the president consistently played down the fledgling pandemic even as the first US case was reported in Washington state. He also applauded China’s handling of the virus at several points in January, before taking action to protect the US in the form of a limited travel ban from China on January 31.

Here’s what things looked like in January.

January 11: The first death from a confirmed case of Covid-19 is reported in China.

January 16: A researcher in Germany develops the first coronavirus test.

January 19: Human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus is confirmed by the Chinese government.

January 21: The first confirmed Covid-19 case in the US is reported in Washington state.

January 22: While at Davos, Trump makes his first public comment on the coronavirus, downplaying the risk in comments to CNBC and CBS News correspondent Paula Reid.

To CNBC: We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine.

To CBS: We do have a plan and we think it’s going to be handled very well. We’ve already handled it very well … We’re in very good shape and I think China’s in very good shape also.

January 24: Trump praises China’s “efforts and transparency” and thanks Chinese President Xi Jinping for his response to the virus.

January 29: Trump receives a briefing on the coronavirus, and asserts that the US is “on top of it 24/7.”

January 30: The WHO declares the coronavirus a global health emergency.

January 30: Trump suggests that the coronavirus is under control in remarks at a manufacturing plant in Michigan:

We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five [cases]. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us.
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Re: All things Chinese CoronaVirus

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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:55 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:49 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:33 pm https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/ ... 6645937153

February 7, 2020. More deadly. More serious. No disclosure. No action.

Trump owns this.
:roll: Another hit job. Interesting they start their time in February, and yet he shut down china flights a week prior. And Alex Azar declares a public emergency on the 31st. SoP from the #Orangemanbad propagandists.
You've lost yourself. And it is nothing less than sad.

Preparation is the key to managing any crisis large or small. Getting out in front of things is always better. Honest disclosure, even with the short term pain of the facts, is always better in the long run. Trump and his administration failed in respect to all of these axioms of crisis management and good governance. And you give him a pass, and worse, try to blame the unknowing public, and the journalists for reporting it. You reached the bottom yet. Wow.
Hard to believe, but there's a lower bottom for Petey and his ilk.
He's not all the way there yet.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:55 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:49 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:33 pm https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/ ... 6645937153

February 7, 2020. More deadly. More serious. No disclosure. No action.

Trump owns this.
:roll: Another hit job. Interesting they start their time in February, and yet he shut down china flights a week prior. And Alex Azar declares a public emergency on the 31st. SoP from the #Orangemanbad propagandists.
You've lost yourself. And it is nothing less than sad.

Preparation is the key to managing any crisis large or small. Getting out in front of things is always better. Honest disclosure, even with the short term pain of the facts, is always better in the long run. Trump and his administration failed in respect to all of these axioms of crisis management and good governance. And you give him a pass, and worse, try to blame the unknowing public, and the journalists for reporting it. You reached the bottom yet. Wow.
Trump was so confident at that point that his "management" of the economy would make him a shoo-in for re-election he gave up the goods.

You cannot claim this answer was some sort of MSM or media bias. Trump himself is answering the question. It is recorded in his own voice.

Trump REALLY DOES NOT CARE ABOUT MOST PEOPLE'S LIVES. He is only concerned with himself.

If you give him a pass now you are complicit in a couple of hundred thousand deaths, just as Trump is.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:55 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:49 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:33 pm https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/ ... 6645937153

February 7, 2020. More deadly. More serious. No disclosure. No action.

Trump owns this.
:roll: Another hit job. Interesting they start their time in February, and yet he shut down china flights a week prior. And Alex Azar declares a public emergency on the 31st. SoP from the #Orangemanbad propagandists.
You've lost yourself. And it is nothing less than sad.

Preparation is the key to managing any crisis large or small. Getting out in front of things is always better. Honest disclosure, even with the short term pain of the facts, is always better in the long run. Trump and his administration failed in respect to all of these axioms of crisis management and good governance. And you give him a pass, and worse, try to blame the unknowing public, and the journalists for reporting it. You reached the bottom yet. Wow.
I figured you'd resort to being a meany....again ;) :lol: You know full well, and I believe I have seen you even write it, that we had to be cautious early on... in order to be certain we had the PPE appropriated for those that needed it and to stock pile it.That was my point.

CNN is hoping they found another bullet for their orange man hunting rifle....it is getting old.
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:02 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:55 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:49 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:33 pm https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/ ... 6645937153

February 7, 2020. More deadly. More serious. No disclosure. No action.

Trump owns this.
:roll: Another hit job. Interesting they start their time in February, and yet he shut down china flights a week prior. And Alex Azar declares a public emergency on the 31st. SoP from the #Orangemanbad propagandists.
You've lost yourself. And it is nothing less than sad.

Preparation is the key to managing any crisis large or small. Getting out in front of things is always better. Honest disclosure, even with the short term pain of the facts, is always better in the long run. Trump and his administration failed in respect to all of these axioms of crisis management and good governance. And you give him a pass, and worse, try to blame the unknowing public, and the journalists for reporting it. You reached the bottom yet. Wow.
Hard to believe, but there's a lower bottom for Petey and his ilk.
He's not all the way there yet.
For heaven's sake, Trump was calling it a "hoax" at the same time he was telling, or had already told, a journalist that it was dangerous, a concern, had considerably more lethality, etc.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:08 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:02 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:55 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:49 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:33 pm https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/ ... 6645937153

February 7, 2020. More deadly. More serious. No disclosure. No action.

Trump owns this.
:roll: Another hit job. Interesting they start their time in February, and yet he shut down china flights a week prior. And Alex Azar declares a public emergency on the 31st. SoP from the #Orangemanbad propagandists.
You've lost yourself. And it is nothing less than sad.

Preparation is the key to managing any crisis large or small. Getting out in front of things is always better. Honest disclosure, even with the short term pain of the facts, is always better in the long run. Trump and his administration failed in respect to all of these axioms of crisis management and good governance. And you give him a pass, and worse, try to blame the unknowing public, and the journalists for reporting it. You reached the bottom yet. Wow.
Hard to believe, but there's a lower bottom for Petey and his ilk.
He's not all the way there yet.
For heaven's sake, Trump was calling it a "hoax" at the same time he was telling, or had already told, a journalist that it was dangerous, a concern, had considerably more lethality, etc.
Yup, you'd think that excusing that set of lies costing thousands of lives unnecessarily might be a 'bottom,' but it'll go lower if Trump loses this November.
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youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:05 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:55 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:49 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:33 pm https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/ ... 6645937153

February 7, 2020. More deadly. More serious. No disclosure. No action.

Trump owns this.
:roll: Another hit job. Interesting they start their time in February, and yet he shut down china flights a week prior. And Alex Azar declares a public emergency on the 31st. SoP from the #Orangemanbad propagandists.
You've lost yourself. And it is nothing less than sad.

Preparation is the key to managing any crisis large or small. Getting out in front of things is always better. Honest disclosure, even with the short term pain of the facts, is always better in the long run. Trump and his administration failed in respect to all of these axioms of crisis management and good governance. And you give him a pass, and worse, try to blame the unknowing public, and the journalists for reporting it. You reached the bottom yet. Wow.
I figured you'd resort to being a meany....again ;) :lol: You know full well, and I believe I have seen you even write it, that we had to be cautious early on... in order to be certain we had the PPE appropriated for those that needed it and to stock pile it.That was my point.

CNN is hoping they found another bullet for their orange man hunting rifle....it is getting old.
Oh. So it was OK to call the coronavirus a "Democratic hoax" and have his flacks like Mulvaney to do so as well? Here you go:

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1233450541877022720

Mulvaney said this, in a public forum, for the purpose of spreading political spleen juice, on February 28, 2020. This isn't careful caution for the purpose of safeguarding hospital ERs, PPE supplies, etc.

C'mon, don't make me the "meany" when you're kind of full of sh*t.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:13 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:05 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:55 pm
youthathletics wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:49 pm
seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:33 pm https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/ ... 6645937153

February 7, 2020. More deadly. More serious. No disclosure. No action.

Trump owns this.
:roll: Another hit job. Interesting they start their time in February, and yet he shut down china flights a week prior. And Alex Azar declares a public emergency on the 31st. SoP from the #Orangemanbad propagandists.
You've lost yourself. And it is nothing less than sad.

Preparation is the key to managing any crisis large or small. Getting out in front of things is always better. Honest disclosure, even with the short term pain of the facts, is always better in the long run. Trump and his administration failed in respect to all of these axioms of crisis management and good governance. And you give him a pass, and worse, try to blame the unknowing public, and the journalists for reporting it. You reached the bottom yet. Wow.
I figured you'd resort to being a meany....again ;) :lol: You know full well, and I believe I have seen you even write it, that we had to be cautious early on... in order to be certain we had the PPE appropriated for those that needed it and to stock pile it.That was my point.

CNN is hoping they found another bullet for their orange man hunting rifle....it is getting old.
Oh. So it was OK to call the coronavirus a "Democratic hoax" and have his flacks like Mulvaney to do so as well? Here you go:

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1233450541877022720

Mulvaney said this, in a public forum, for the purpose of spreading political spleen juice, on February 28, 2020. This isn't careful caution for the purpose of safeguarding hospital ERs, PPE supplies, etc.

C'mon, don't make me the "meany" when you're kind of full of sh*t.
Just being cautious


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“I wish you would!”
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And, need we add, the forever postscript on this latest Trump killer lie? What would these people be saying if President Obama had withheld this information while at the same time calling it a hoax for political soundbites and points. No. Bottom.
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seacoaster wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:29 pm And, need we add, the forever postscript on this latest Trump killer lie? What would these people be saying if President Obama had withheld this information while at the same time calling it a hoax for political soundbites and points. No. Bottom.
What about Benghazi!!

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You can keep your doctor!!

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