Zach Fuentes won about $4.5 million in federal contracts under shady circumstances. He and his company are under investigation.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5ec8 ... 3dba3cf8a2
I can imagine a fair number of reasons why Fuentes would want to lie in support of Trump.
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Re: Orange Duce
Perhaps he no longer feels a duty to help Trump out of another mess entirely of his own making.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:31 pmTotally get that, and I don't blame General Keely one bit for eschewing the media circus. By you understand what I am saying: his silence in the face of these astonishing comments attributed to the President are, I think, increasingly understood as confirmation. General Kelly doesn't need to play; he needs only to issue a statement consisting of the sentence I typed above. He could add: "I will have no further comment on this or my time as WH COS or as Secretary of the DHS."old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:20 pmIt's not that simple. There were several things alleged in that article on different occasions. You comment on one, your silence on the others is misconstrued.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:12 pmDoesn't it stand to reason that General Kelly understands that many, perhaps most, people may interpret his silence as confirmation of the Trump statements rather than anything else? "I never heard the President say what is being attributed to him in that article." Do you not see that the absence of that easy statement, through a spokesperson or a media drop, seems confirmatory?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:08 pmAs Goldberg points out, Mattis refused until the WH siege, refusing during his lengthy book tour.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:04 pmold salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 pmOnce you open that door, you can't close it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:12 pm yet so easy to say it didn't happen...Kelly doesn't need to comment whether he thinks Trump is a POS or not. Just say, 'The President didn't say that or anything like that to me".
And no, Mattis has not actually been entirely silent on other matters. He's "commented".
No comment -- I will neither confirm or deny.
Mattis has refused to comment on Trump.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/612640/
So why has his good friend Kelly not followed suit ?
As you say -- if Trump said it, it would be easy to confirm it.
Kelly made it clear that he did not volunteer to return to govt service. He was asked to by his good friends Mattis & Dunford.
Based on the way he was treated by the media, & then by Trump, it is not surprising that he just wants to be left alone.
He never wanted to play these political/media gotcha games.
...& if he speaks up, Doc will trash him for his current job with an ICE detention facility contractor.
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Re: Orange Duce
Any criticism from you regarding Trump’s racist and xenophobic policies?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:28 pmYou're right Doc, they cut you a lot of slack.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:24 pmCertain LP moderators who shall not be named prohibited any discussion of Trump’s racism, purportedly to avoid upsetting certain members of the LP readership (presumably, the racists).
Is it even possible to discuss Trump without discussing his racism?
I appreciated all the work the LP folks put into what was once the leading discussion forum for college lacrosse. Having said that, their indulgence of the racists in the lacrosse community was simply disgraceful.
DocBarrister
Any criticism from you regarding Vladimir Putin’s racist and bigoted policies?
Any explanation for your soft handling of white supremacists who support Trump?
Your failure to criticize Trump’s obvious and long-documented history of racism speaks volumes.
So ... really, stop with the faux grievance.
DocBarrister
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Re: Orange Duce
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Re: Orange Duce
Your failure to criticize, blah, blah, blah.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:44 pmAny criticism from you regarding Trump’s racist and xenophobic policies?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:28 pmYou're right Doc, they cut you a lot of slack.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:24 pmCertain LP moderators who shall not be named prohibited any discussion of Trump’s racism, purportedly to avoid upsetting certain members of the LP readership (presumably, the racists).
Is it even possible to discuss Trump without discussing his racism?
I appreciated all the work the LP folks put into what was once the leading discussion forum for college lacrosse. Having said that, their indulgence of the racists in the lacrosse community was simply disgraceful.
DocBarrister
Any criticism from you regarding Vladimir Putin’s racist and bigoted policies?
Any explanation for your soft handling of white supremacists who support Trump?
Your failure to criticize Trump’s obvious and long-documented history of racism speaks volumes.
So ... really, stop with the faux grievance.
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I refuse to play your woke PC games.
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Re: Orange Duce
You and I can leave Doc out of this. Maybe General Kelly supports Vice President Biden.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:39 pmPerhaps he no longer feels a duty to help Trump out of another mess entirely of his own making.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:31 pmTotally get that, and I don't blame General Keely one bit for eschewing the media circus. By you understand what I am saying: his silence in the face of these astonishing comments attributed to the President are, I think, increasingly understood as confirmation. General Kelly doesn't need to play; he needs only to issue a statement consisting of the sentence I typed above. He could add: "I will have no further comment on this or my time as WH COS or as Secretary of the DHS."old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:20 pmIt's not that simple. There were several things alleged in that article on different occasions. You comment on one, your silence on the others is misconstrued.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:12 pmDoesn't it stand to reason that General Kelly understands that many, perhaps most, people may interpret his silence as confirmation of the Trump statements rather than anything else? "I never heard the President say what is being attributed to him in that article." Do you not see that the absence of that easy statement, through a spokesperson or a media drop, seems confirmatory?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:08 pmAs Goldberg points out, Mattis refused until the WH siege, refusing during his lengthy book tour.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:04 pmold salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 pmOnce you open that door, you can't close it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:12 pm yet so easy to say it didn't happen...Kelly doesn't need to comment whether he thinks Trump is a POS or not. Just say, 'The President didn't say that or anything like that to me".
And no, Mattis has not actually been entirely silent on other matters. He's "commented".
No comment -- I will neither confirm or deny.
Mattis has refused to comment on Trump.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/612640/
So why has his good friend Kelly not followed suit ?
As you say -- if Trump said it, it would be easy to confirm it.
Kelly made it clear that he did not volunteer to return to govt service. He was asked to by his good friends Mattis & Dunford.
Based on the way he was treated by the media, & then by Trump, it is not surprising that he just wants to be left alone.
He never wanted to play these political/media gotcha games.
...& if he speaks up, Doc will trash him for his current job with an ICE detention facility contractor.
Re: Orange Duce
.. ...it's not that easy.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:48 pmYou and I can leave Doc out of this. Maybe General Kelly supports Vice President Biden.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:39 pmPerhaps he no longer feels a duty to help Trump out of another mess entirely of his own making.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:31 pmTotally get that, and I don't blame General Keely one bit for eschewing the media circus. By you understand what I am saying: his silence in the face of these astonishing comments attributed to the President are, I think, increasingly understood as confirmation. General Kelly doesn't need to play; he needs only to issue a statement consisting of the sentence I typed above. He could add: "I will have no further comment on this or my time as WH COS or as Secretary of the DHS."old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:20 pmIt's not that simple. There were several things alleged in that article on different occasions. You comment on one, your silence on the others is misconstrued.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:12 pmDoesn't it stand to reason that General Kelly understands that many, perhaps most, people may interpret his silence as confirmation of the Trump statements rather than anything else? "I never heard the President say what is being attributed to him in that article." Do you not see that the absence of that easy statement, through a spokesperson or a media drop, seems confirmatory?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:08 pmAs Goldberg points out, Mattis refused until the WH siege, refusing during his lengthy book tour.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:04 pmold salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 pmOnce you open that door, you can't close it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:12 pm yet so easy to say it didn't happen...Kelly doesn't need to comment whether he thinks Trump is a POS or not. Just say, 'The President didn't say that or anything like that to me".
And no, Mattis has not actually been entirely silent on other matters. He's "commented".
No comment -- I will neither confirm or deny.
Mattis has refused to comment on Trump.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/612640/
So why has his good friend Kelly not followed suit ?
As you say -- if Trump said it, it would be easy to confirm it.
Kelly made it clear that he did not volunteer to return to govt service. He was asked to by his good friends Mattis & Dunford.
Based on the way he was treated by the media, & then by Trump, it is not surprising that he just wants to be left alone.
He never wanted to play these political/media gotcha games.
...& if he speaks up, Doc will trash him for his current job with an ICE detention facility contractor.
Re Kelly -- I'm reminded of the military acronym about a change in attitude once you have your orders for you next assignment in hand,
FIGMO -- F it, I've got my orders. (outta here)
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Re: Orange Duce
Isn’t it interesting that the folks who complain about “PC” culture are the same ones who seem frustrated that they cannot express their bigotries openly and without criticism?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:46 pmYour failure to criticize, blah, blah, blah.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:44 pmAny criticism from you regarding Trump’s racist and xenophobic policies?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:28 pmYou're right Doc, they cut you a lot of slack.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:24 pmCertain LP moderators who shall not be named prohibited any discussion of Trump’s racism, purportedly to avoid upsetting certain members of the LP readership (presumably, the racists).
Is it even possible to discuss Trump without discussing his racism?
I appreciated all the work the LP folks put into what was once the leading discussion forum for college lacrosse. Having said that, their indulgence of the racists in the lacrosse community was simply disgraceful.
DocBarrister
Any criticism from you regarding Vladimir Putin’s racist and bigoted policies?
Any explanation for your soft handling of white supremacists who support Trump?
Your failure to criticize Trump’s obvious and long-documented history of racism speaks volumes.
So ... really, stop with the faux grievance.
DocBarrister
I refuse to play your woke PC games.
DocBarrister
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Re: Orange Duce
Did your hero Mike Nifong teach you these accusatory questioning techniques ?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:56 pmIsn’t it interesting that the folks who complain about “PC” culture are the same ones who seem frustrated that they cannot express their bigotries openly and without criticism?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:46 pmYour failure to criticize, blah, blah, blah.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:44 pmAny criticism from you regarding Trump’s racist and xenophobic policies?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:28 pmYou're right Doc, they cut you a lot of slack.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:24 pmCertain LP moderators who shall not be named prohibited any discussion of Trump’s racism, purportedly to avoid upsetting certain members of the LP readership (presumably, the racists).
Is it even possible to discuss Trump without discussing his racism?
I appreciated all the work the LP folks put into what was once the leading discussion forum for college lacrosse. Having said that, their indulgence of the racists in the lacrosse community was simply disgraceful.
DocBarrister
Any criticism from you regarding Vladimir Putin’s racist and bigoted policies?
Any explanation for your soft handling of white supremacists who support Trump?
Your failure to criticize Trump’s obvious and long-documented history of racism speaks volumes.
So ... really, stop with the faux grievance.
DocBarrister
I refuse to play your woke PC games.
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Re: Orange Duce
OK, do the calypso with me -- jeez. His silence is, no mater how you slice it or analogize it or ascribe to it an acronym that doesn't quite work, hurting the President.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:51 pm.. ...it's not that easy.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:48 pmYou and I can leave Doc out of this. Maybe General Kelly supports Vice President Biden.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:39 pmPerhaps he no longer feels a duty to help Trump out of another mess entirely of his own making.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:31 pmTotally get that, and I don't blame General Keely one bit for eschewing the media circus. By you understand what I am saying: his silence in the face of these astonishing comments attributed to the President are, I think, increasingly understood as confirmation. General Kelly doesn't need to play; he needs only to issue a statement consisting of the sentence I typed above. He could add: "I will have no further comment on this or my time as WH COS or as Secretary of the DHS."old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:20 pmIt's not that simple. There were several things alleged in that article on different occasions. You comment on one, your silence on the others is misconstrued.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:12 pmDoesn't it stand to reason that General Kelly understands that many, perhaps most, people may interpret his silence as confirmation of the Trump statements rather than anything else? "I never heard the President say what is being attributed to him in that article." Do you not see that the absence of that easy statement, through a spokesperson or a media drop, seems confirmatory?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:08 pmAs Goldberg points out, Mattis refused until the WH siege, refusing during his lengthy book tour.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:04 pmold salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 pmOnce you open that door, you can't close it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:12 pm yet so easy to say it didn't happen...Kelly doesn't need to comment whether he thinks Trump is a POS or not. Just say, 'The President didn't say that or anything like that to me".
And no, Mattis has not actually been entirely silent on other matters. He's "commented".
No comment -- I will neither confirm or deny.
Mattis has refused to comment on Trump.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/612640/
So why has his good friend Kelly not followed suit ?
As you say -- if Trump said it, it would be easy to confirm it.
Kelly made it clear that he did not volunteer to return to govt service. He was asked to by his good friends Mattis & Dunford.
Based on the way he was treated by the media, & then by Trump, it is not surprising that he just wants to be left alone.
He never wanted to play these political/media gotcha games.
...& if he speaks up, Doc will trash him for his current job with an ICE detention facility contractor.
Re Kelly -- I'm reminded of the military acronym about a change in attitude once you have your orders for you next assignment in hand,
FIGMO -- F it, I've got my orders. (outta here)
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Re: Orange Duce
Isn’t your master and idol, Vladimir Putin, and his FSB (KGB) thugs, the real experts on “accusatory questioning techniques?”old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:01 pmDid your hero Mike Nifong teach you these accusatory questioning techniques ?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:56 pmIsn’t it interesting that the folks who complain about “PC” culture are the same ones who seem frustrated that they cannot express their bigotries openly and without criticism?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:46 pmYour failure to criticize, blah, blah, blah.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:44 pmAny criticism from you regarding Trump’s racist and xenophobic policies?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:28 pmYou're right Doc, they cut you a lot of slack.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:24 pmCertain LP moderators who shall not be named prohibited any discussion of Trump’s racism, purportedly to avoid upsetting certain members of the LP readership (presumably, the racists).
Is it even possible to discuss Trump without discussing his racism?
I appreciated all the work the LP folks put into what was once the leading discussion forum for college lacrosse. Having said that, their indulgence of the racists in the lacrosse community was simply disgraceful.
DocBarrister
Any criticism from you regarding Vladimir Putin’s racist and bigoted policies?
Any explanation for your soft handling of white supremacists who support Trump?
Your failure to criticize Trump’s obvious and long-documented history of racism speaks volumes.
So ... really, stop with the faux grievance.
DocBarrister
I refuse to play your woke PC games.
DocBarrister
Besides, I am not questioning you ... I am convicting you with your own past actions and words on this forum.
DocBarrister
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Re: Orange Duce
Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party ?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:18 pmIsn’t your master and idol, Vladimir Putin, and his FSB (KGB) thugs, the real experts on “accusatory questioning techniques?”old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:01 pmDid your hero Mike Nifong teach you these accusatory questioning techniques ?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:56 pmIsn’t it interesting that the folks who complain about “PC” culture are the same ones who seem frustrated that they cannot express their bigotries openly and without criticism?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:46 pmYour failure to criticize, blah, blah, blah.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:44 pmAny criticism from you regarding Trump’s racist and xenophobic policies?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:28 pmYou're right Doc, they cut you a lot of slack.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:24 pmCertain LP moderators who shall not be named prohibited any discussion of Trump’s racism, purportedly to avoid upsetting certain members of the LP readership (presumably, the racists).
Is it even possible to discuss Trump without discussing his racism?
I appreciated all the work the LP folks put into what was once the leading discussion forum for college lacrosse. Having said that, their indulgence of the racists in the lacrosse community was simply disgraceful.
DocBarrister
Any criticism from you regarding Vladimir Putin’s racist and bigoted policies?
Any explanation for your soft handling of white supremacists who support Trump?
Your failure to criticize Trump’s obvious and long-documented history of racism speaks volumes.
So ... really, stop with the faux grievance.
DocBarrister
I refuse to play your woke PC games.
DocBarrister
Besides, I am not questioning you ... I am convicting you with your own past actions and words on this forum.
DocBarrister
Re: Orange Duce
I don't think Kelly is bothered that it hurts Trump. He may prefer Biden, but not enough to break the code of silence re undermining a still serving CinC, ...& he's sick of the whole thing & just wants to be left alone.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:15 pmOK, do the calypso with me -- jeez. His silence is, no mater how you slice it or analogize it or ascribe to it an acronym that doesn't quite work, hurting the President.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:51 pm.. ...it's not that easy.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:48 pmYou and I can leave Doc out of this. Maybe General Kelly supports Vice President Biden.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:39 pmPerhaps he no longer feels a duty to help Trump out of another mess entirely of his own making.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:31 pmTotally get that, and I don't blame General Keely one bit for eschewing the media circus. By you understand what I am saying: his silence in the face of these astonishing comments attributed to the President are, I think, increasingly understood as confirmation. General Kelly doesn't need to play; he needs only to issue a statement consisting of the sentence I typed above. He could add: "I will have no further comment on this or my time as WH COS or as Secretary of the DHS."old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:20 pmIt's not that simple. There were several things alleged in that article on different occasions. You comment on one, your silence on the others is misconstrued.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:12 pmDoesn't it stand to reason that General Kelly understands that many, perhaps most, people may interpret his silence as confirmation of the Trump statements rather than anything else? "I never heard the President say what is being attributed to him in that article." Do you not see that the absence of that easy statement, through a spokesperson or a media drop, seems confirmatory?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:08 pmAs Goldberg points out, Mattis refused until the WH siege, refusing during his lengthy book tour.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:04 pmold salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 pmOnce you open that door, you can't close it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:12 pm yet so easy to say it didn't happen...Kelly doesn't need to comment whether he thinks Trump is a POS or not. Just say, 'The President didn't say that or anything like that to me".
And no, Mattis has not actually been entirely silent on other matters. He's "commented".
No comment -- I will neither confirm or deny.
Mattis has refused to comment on Trump.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/612640/
So why has his good friend Kelly not followed suit ?
As you say -- if Trump said it, it would be easy to confirm it.
Kelly made it clear that he did not volunteer to return to govt service. He was asked to by his good friends Mattis & Dunford.
Based on the way he was treated by the media, & then by Trump, it is not surprising that he just wants to be left alone.
He never wanted to play these political/media gotcha games.
...& if he speaks up, Doc will trash him for his current job with an ICE detention facility contractor.
Re Kelly -- I'm reminded of the military acronym about a change in attitude once you have your orders for you next assignment in hand,
FIGMO -- F it, I've got my orders. (outta here)
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Re: Orange Duce
Time will tell, Salty, but if he wanted to refute it or Dunford wanted to refute it, it would be simple to do so. Perhaps the only reason they're not confirming it is this BS 'code of silence', but let's assume that's the issue, not that they're 'cowards' as some on these threads have suggested (which seems ridiculous to me).old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:08 pmAs Goldberg points out, Mattis refused until the WH siege, refusing during his lengthy book tour.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:04 pmold salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 pmOnce you open that door, you can't close it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:12 pm yet so easy to say it didn't happen...Kelly doesn't need to comment whether he thinks Trump is a POS or not. Just say, 'The President didn't say that or anything like that to me".
And no, Mattis has not actually been entirely silent on other matters. He's "commented".
No comment -- I will neither confirm or deny.
Mattis has refused to comment on Trump.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/612640/
So why has his good friend Kelly not followed suit ?
As you say -- if Trump said it, it would be easy to confirm it.
Lots of reporters, from all kinds of angles, have now confirmed that the sources are real, truly were senior officials who were there and would know, and they all tell a common story and set of stories...and then we have Trump himself in the raw. Including yesterday.
But hey, perhaps you're in the camp that Stormy made it up and Trump was just kidding when he said he grabs women by the p---.
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Re: Orange Duce
You mean like your idol, Vladimir Putin?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:23 pmAre you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party ?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:18 pmIsn’t your master and idol, Vladimir Putin, and his FSB (KGB) thugs, the real experts on “accusatory questioning techniques?”old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:01 pmDid your hero Mike Nifong teach you these accusatory questioning techniques ?DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:56 pmIsn’t it interesting that the folks who complain about “PC” culture are the same ones who seem frustrated that they cannot express their bigotries openly and without criticism?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:46 pmYour failure to criticize, blah, blah, blah.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:44 pmAny criticism from you regarding Trump’s racist and xenophobic policies?old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:28 pmYou're right Doc, they cut you a lot of slack.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:24 pmCertain LP moderators who shall not be named prohibited any discussion of Trump’s racism, purportedly to avoid upsetting certain members of the LP readership (presumably, the racists).
Is it even possible to discuss Trump without discussing his racism?
I appreciated all the work the LP folks put into what was once the leading discussion forum for college lacrosse. Having said that, their indulgence of the racists in the lacrosse community was simply disgraceful.
DocBarrister
Any criticism from you regarding Vladimir Putin’s racist and bigoted policies?
Any explanation for your soft handling of white supremacists who support Trump?
Your failure to criticize Trump’s obvious and long-documented history of racism speaks volumes.
So ... really, stop with the faux grievance.
DocBarrister
I refuse to play your woke PC games.
DocBarrister
Besides, I am not questioning you ... I am convicting you with your own past actions and words on this forum.
DocBarrister
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Re: Orange Duce
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/09/06/ ... uth-shore/MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:40 pmTime will tell, Salty, but if he wanted to refute it or Dunforth wanted to refute it, it would be simple to do so.old salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:08 pmAs Goldberg points out, Mattis refused until the WH siege, refusing during his lengthy book tour.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:04 pmold salt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 pmOnce you open that door, you can't close it.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:12 pm yet so easy to say it didn't happen...Kelly doesn't need to comment whether he thinks Trump is a POS or not. Just say, 'The President didn't say that or anything like that to me".
And no, Mattis has not actually been entirely silent on other matters. He's "commented".
No comment -- I will neither confirm or deny.
Mattis has refused to comment on Trump.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/612640/
So why has his good friend Kelly not followed suit ?
As you say -- if Trump said it, it would be easy to confirm it.
Lots of reporters, from all kinds of angles, have now confirmed that the sources are real, truly were senior officials who were there and would know, and they all tell a common story and set of stories...and then we have Trump himself in the raw.
But hey, perhaps you're in the camp that Stormy made it up and Trump was just kidding when he said he grabs women by the p---.
This recent story on Gen. Joe Dunford (Ret.) is telling for a couple of reasons:
1) Dunford clearly has a different world view than Trump (or old salt).
2) One reason Dunford cites for not getting involved in politics is to make the job of his successor, Gen. Milley, easier.
That second point is interesting, because the one thing he could do to immediately make Milley’s job easier is to deny that Trump called veterans and American war dead “losers” and “suckers.” But he hasn’t done that (yet).
Instead, Dunford’s silence only worsens the problem for Milley.
Either Dunford is not willing to exonerate Trump, or ...
... Dunford honestly cannot.
Anyway, that doesn’t change the fact that Trump smeared the military brass on Labor Day.
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Re: Orange Duce
He’s just upset that Hillary lost and can’t get over it.seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:00 pm Here's a ticked off WW2 veteran:
https://twitter.com/ShelbieWassel/statu ... 3419572227
“I wish you would!”
Re: Orange Duce
Geezuz H, Doc, you blew that comment up into something that it wasn't at all.DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:24 pmCertain LP moderators who shall not be named prohibited any discussion of Trump’s racism, purportedly to avoid upsetting certain members of the LP readership (presumably, the racists).
Is it even possible to discuss Trump without discussing his racism?
I appreciated all the work the LP folks put into what was once the leading discussion forum for college lacrosse. Having said that, their indulgence of the racists in the lacrosse community was simply disgraceful.
DocBarrister
I simply meant there were a whole lot more people, quite a few really bright ones too, who you could have a reasonable, entertaining, and maybe even educational discussion with. Not so much anymore.