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[Typical Lax Dad]

Trump's triple confirmed statements dissing the military reminded me of something when I heard them.

Then I remembered it. Here it is:

The scene: Surprise birthday party. December 1941. The Corleone dining room table.

Tessio: I understand thirty thousand men enlisted this morning.
Sonny: A bunch of saps.
Michael: Why are they saps?
Connie: Sonny, come on. We don’t have to talk about the war.
Sonny: Hey beat it—you go talk to Carlo alright? (To Michael) They’re saps because they risk their lives for strangers.
Michael: Now that’s Pop talking.
Sonny: You’re [expletive] right that’s Pop talking.
Michael: They risk their lives for their country.
Sonny: Your country ain’t your blood—you remember that.
Michael: I don’t feel that way.
Sonny (echoing Michael): “I don’t feel that way.” Well if you don’t feel like that why don’t you just quit college and go join the Army?
Michael: I did—I enlisted in the Marines.

Reports are that when DJTJ decided to enlist in the military, DJT threatened to disinherit him if he followed through on it.

Awesome how the Trump cultists will accept literally anything from their degenerate Dear Leader.

Just saw the scene again a couple of weeks ago....such a Queens mentality.

[ardilla secreta]

We can thank the Clintons and Obama for giving us Trump

No....we can thank you and your fellow Republicans for nominating him. If that didn't happen? We'd have Kasich if your team was ready to pull up a seat at the big boy table.

You're on the hook, old bean.

Glad you agree with me that the Clintons and Obama gave us Trump. Carry on.

Obama? You're blaming him?

Hillary? Absolutely. She's on the hook, too.

But your logic is totally off the rails if you think that the Republican Party, and the Republican voters----you know, the ones who put him in the White House-----are magically blameless for Trump.

Thank you. Blaming others is just ridiculous. I could have lived, without nightmares, any of the Republican candidates but no, they had to side with the disgusting con man that can’t stop lying, that seems destined to divide and conquer, that thinks some vets are suckers and losers, that created new depths to the swamp. Good choice GOP.

[seacoaster]

We can thank the Clintons and Obama for giving us Trump

No....we can thank you and your fellow Republicans for nominating him. If that didn't happen? We'd have Kasich if your team was ready to pull up a seat at the big boy table.

You're on the hook, old bean.

Glad you agree with me that the Clintons and Obama gave us Trump. Carry on.

Obama? You're blaming him?

Hillary? Absolutely. She's on the hook, too.

But your logic is totally off the rails if you think that the Republican Party, and the Republican voters----you know, the ones who put him in the White House-----are magically blameless for Trump.

That is like blaming your wife for getting a flat tire when you dropped the box of nails in the garage. You set up the incident, and your lack of cleaning up your mess had consequences. Certainly R's are to blame as are the D's....we were all left with two piles of poo...why? Becuase, HRC and BHO.

Sorry, this is just ridiculous. Own Trump; he’s yours. He’s racist. He’s a bad administrator. He cares not a whit about any of us. He compromise every norm that hold the body politic together. And your trying to re-elect him.

[DocBarrister]

(CNN)President Donald Trump referred to fallen US service members at the Aisne-Marne cemetery in crude and derogatory terms during a November 2018 trip to France to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I, a former senior administration official confirmed to CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics ... index.html

DocBarrister

[old salt]

Seems like about 3 threads are going back and forth so decided to leave a note here. When did the military, those that serve, and vets become the moral compass for this country? As a vet, IMHO it is tiring the politicization that is occurring. I am worn out with the hats and shirts and now this again. Seems like any vet that has a rub or something to say gets a microphone and somehow what they say becomes the gospel. I have never known a Marine not to tell someone what they think, loud and proud. Nothing would surprise me but this one seems a tad off the wall.

As far as Stars and Stripes, my time at the Academy, 6 years active and recall for Gulf 1 never saw one nor a Military Times. Then again never was on a "real" base. With all the social media out there not sure 90% of the news organizations will survive anyway. Saying that I can see a population of the retired vets getting the hard-copy as I still read the WSJ in paper form . Hopefully the Senate will push it along and agree with the Congress to get it funded.

This too will pass.

Yep. I just don't see Kelly or Mattis telling tales out of school (to the media) based on their time with a still serving CinC.
Maybe in their memoirs, after Trump's out of office.

Until someone stands up & goes on the record, this is just another DC election parlor game.

I do find the new found reverence for veterans in this forum to be somewhat ironic, ...but not surprising.

Good news -- Trump tweeted his enthusiastic endorsement for the continued publication of Stars & Stripes.

From Bolton's book :
"Marine One's crew was saying that bad visibility could make it imprudent to chopper to the cemetery. The ceiling was not too low for Marines to fly in combat, but flying POTUS was obviously something very different. If a motorcade were necessary, it could take between ninety and a hundred and twenty minutes each way, along roads that were not exactly freeways, posing an unacceptable risk that we could not get the President out of France quickly enough in case of an emergency. It was a straightforward decision to cancel the visit... The press turned canceling the cemetery visit into a story that Trump was afraid of the rain and took glee in pointing out that other world leaders traveled around during the day. Of course, none of them were the President of the United States, but the press didn't understand that rules for US Presidents are different from rules for 190 other leaders who don't command the world's greatest military forces."

[Typical Lax Dad]

Seems like about 3 threads are going back and forth so decided to leave a note here. When did the military, those that serve, and vets become the moral compass for this country? As a vet, IMHO it is tiring the politicization that is occurring. I am worn out with the hats and shirts and now this again. Seems like any vet that has a rub or something to say gets a microphone and somehow what they say becomes the gospel. I have never known a Marine not to tell someone what they think, loud and proud. Nothing would surprise me but this one seems a tad off the wall.

As far as Stars and Stripes, my time at the Academy, 6 years active and recall for Gulf 1 never saw one nor a Military Times. Then again never was on a "real" base. With all the social media out there not sure 90% of the news organizations will survive anyway. Saying that I can see a population of the retired vets getting the hard-copy as I still read the WSJ in paper form . Hopefully the Senate will push it along and agree with the Congress to get it funded.

This too will pass.

Yep. I just don't see Kelly or Mattis telling tales out of school (to the media) based on their time with a still serving CinC.
Maybe in their memoirs, after Trump's out of office.

Until someone stands up & goes on the record, this is just another DC election parlor game.

I do find the new found reverence for veterans in this forum to be somewhat ironic, ...but not surprising.

Good news -- Trump tweeted his enthusiastic endorsement for the continued publication of Stars & Stripes.

From Bolton's book :
"Marine One's crew was saying that bad visibility could make it imprudent to chopper to the cemetery. The ceiling was not too low for Marines to fly in combat, but flying POTUS was obviously something very different. If a motorcade were necessary, it could take between ninety and a hundred and twenty minutes each way, along roads that were not exactly freeways, posing an unacceptable risk that we could not get the President out of France quickly enough in case of an emergency. It was a straightforward decision to cancel the visit... The press turned canceling the cemetery visit into a story that Trump was afraid of the rain and took glee in pointing out that other world leaders traveled around during the day. Of course, none of them were the President of the United States, but the press didn't understand that rules for US Presidents are different from rules for 190 other leaders who don't command the world's greatest military forces."

It ain’t reverence....it’s disbelief that the President of The United States of America called fallen soldiers “losers and suckers”...just because you don’t believe someone is a loser or sucker doesn’t mean you revere them...Because you are okay with it doesn’t mean everyone else should ignore it.

[old salt]

Seems like about 3 threads are going back and forth so decided to leave a note here. When did the military, those that serve, and vets become the moral compass for this country? As a vet, IMHO it is tiring the politicization that is occurring. I am worn out with the hats and shirts and now this again. Seems like any vet that has a rub or something to say gets a microphone and somehow what they say becomes the gospel. I have never known a Marine not to tell someone what they think, loud and proud. Nothing would surprise me but this one seems a tad off the wall.

As far as Stars and Stripes, my time at the Academy, 6 years active and recall for Gulf 1 never saw one nor a Military Times. Then again never was on a "real" base. With all the social media out there not sure 90% of the news organizations will survive anyway. Saying that I can see a population of the retired vets getting the hard-copy as I still read the WSJ in paper form . Hopefully the Senate will push it along and agree with the Congress to get it funded.

This too will pass.

Yep. I just don't see Kelly or Mattis telling tales out of school (to the media) based on their time with a still serving CinC.
Maybe in their memoirs, after Trump's out of office.

Until someone stands up & goes on the record, this is just another DC election parlor game.

I do find the new found reverence for veterans in this forum to be somewhat ironic, ...but not surprising.

Good news -- Trump tweeted his enthusiastic endorsement for the continued publication of Stars & Stripes.

From Bolton's book :
"Marine One's crew was saying that bad visibility could make it imprudent to chopper to the cemetery. The ceiling was not too low for Marines to fly in combat, but flying POTUS was obviously something very different. If a motorcade were necessary, it could take between ninety and a hundred and twenty minutes each way, along roads that were not exactly freeways, posing an unacceptable risk that we could not get the President out of France quickly enough in case of an emergency. It was a straightforward decision to cancel the visit... The press turned canceling the cemetery visit into a story that Trump was afraid of the rain and took glee in pointing out that other world leaders traveled around during the day. Of course, none of them were the President of the United States, but the press didn't understand that rules for US Presidents are different from rules for 190 other leaders who don't command the world's greatest military forces."

It ain’t reverence....it’s disbelief that the President of The United States of America called fallen soldiers “losers and suckers”...just because you don’t believe someone is a loser or sucker doesn’t mean you revere them...Because you are okay with it doesn’t mean everyone else should ignore it.

I didn't mean you. You've made it clear you agree with Sonny Corleone & what Trump supposedly said. It's just a job. They were getting paid.
Yo'u're a fool if you swallow this un-sourced political disinformation.

Bolton says that Kelly recommended that Trump not go to the cemetery & that Kelly felt bad about having to recommend that because it was his idea to visit that cemetery that means so much to the USMC. I'm sure Kelly really appreciates un-sourced accounts of his visits to his son's grave. This is Pulitzer stuff.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Seems like about 3 threads are going back and forth so decided to leave a note here. When did the military, those that serve, and vets become the moral compass for this country? As a vet, IMHO it is tiring the politicization that is occurring. I am worn out with the hats and shirts and now this again. Seems like any vet that has a rub or something to say gets a microphone and somehow what they say becomes the gospel. I have never known a Marine not to tell someone what they think, loud and proud. Nothing would surprise me but this one seems a tad off the wall.

As far as Stars and Stripes, my time at the Academy, 6 years active and recall for Gulf 1 never saw one nor a Military Times. Then again never was on a "real" base. With all the social media out there not sure 90% of the news organizations will survive anyway. Saying that I can see a population of the retired vets getting the hard-copy as I still read the WSJ in paper form . Hopefully the Senate will push it along and agree with the Congress to get it funded.

This too will pass.

Yep. I just don't see Kelly or Mattis telling tales out of school (to the media) based on their time with a still serving CinC.
Maybe in their memoirs, after Trump's out of office.

Until someone stands up & goes on the record, this is just another DC election parlor game.

I do find the new found reverence for veterans in this forum to be somewhat ironic, ...but not surprising.

Good news -- Trump tweeted his enthusiastic endorsement for the continued publication of Stars & Stripes.

From Bolton's book :
"Marine One's crew was saying that bad visibility could make it imprudent to chopper to the cemetery. The ceiling was not too low for Marines to fly in combat, but flying POTUS was obviously something very different. If a motorcade were necessary, it could take between ninety and a hundred and twenty minutes each way, along roads that were not exactly freeways, posing an unacceptable risk that we could not get the President out of France quickly enough in case of an emergency. It was a straightforward decision to cancel the visit... The press turned canceling the cemetery visit into a story that Trump was afraid of the rain and took glee in pointing out that other world leaders traveled around during the day. Of course, none of them were the President of the United States, but the press didn't understand that rules for US Presidents are different from rules for 190 other leaders who don't command the world's greatest military forces."

It ain’t reverence....it’s disbelief that the President of The United States of America called fallen soldiers “losers and suckers”...just because you don’t believe someone is a loser or sucker doesn’t mean you revere them...Because you are okay with it doesn’t mean everyone else should ignore it.

I didn't mean you. You've made it clear you agree with Sonny Corleone & what Trump supposedly said. It's just a job. They were getting paid.
Yo'u're a fool if you swallow this un-sourced political disinformation.

Bolton says that Kelly recommended that Trump not go to the cemetery & that Kelly felt bad about having to recommend that because it was his idea to visit that cemetery that means so much to the USMC. I'm sure Kelly really appreciates un-sourced accounts of his visits to his son's grave. This is Pulitzer stuff.

Don’t complain about it if you signed up for it and don’t “expect” anything beyond being paid. Anything beyond being paid is a bonus. What does Kelly’s recommendation have to do with Trump calling soldiers suckers and losers?......Nothing. It ever occur to you both can be true? Kelly was giving him a pathway out....you know, cover.

You are a fool if you believe Trump didn’t say it....redirect your ire at Trump. He is the one that believes people like you are suckers and losers.

[old salt]

....redirect your ire at Trump. He is the one that believes people like you are suckers and losers.

So does every former lax player working on Wall St who passed up an appointment to a service academy. ...& I agree. It was their choice & ours. Everyone has different priorities. Sully, speaking out now, is being hailed as a military hero by people unfamiliar with his short military career. He was a genius & a natural pilot who performed an extraordinary feat of airmanship. He took advantage of a USAFA education, immediate Masters at Purdue, training in the F-4 Phantom, tours in the UK & NV, then bailed out of the Air Force just 7 years after graduation, at the end of his obligated service, for a union airline pilot job. He didn't even continue in the Reserves or Air National Guard, where he could have continued flying Phantoms, in addition to flying for the airlines. Had he stayed in the Air Force, he'd likely have become a General, after commanding fighter squadrons & wings. Fortunately for everyone who landed on the Hudson with him, he made the choice he did. I just don't value his opinion above that of any other fellow veteran.

I could care less about Trump's bluster. I've heard much worse. I judge him on what he's accomplished & his policies. Past, present, & future.
He vowed to keep us out of endless wars & wind down the ones we've been bogged down in. So far, he's following through.
He vowed not to use our forces as global cops & to not defend allies unwilling to defend themselves. So far, he's following through.
He vowed to fix a broken military & a broken VA. So far, he's following through. I care about results not rhetoric.

[Typical Lax Dad]

....redirect your ire at Trump. He is the one that believes people like you are suckers and losers.

So does every former lax player working on Wall St who passed up an appointment to a service academy. ...& I agree. It was their choice & ours. Everyone has different priorities. Sully, speaking out now, is being hailed as a military hero by people unfamiliar with his short military career. He was a genius & a natural pilot who performed an extraordinary feat of airmanship. He took advantage of a USAFA education, immediate Masters at Purdue, training in the F-4 Phantom, tours in the UK & NV, then bailed out of the Air Force just 7 years after graduation, at the end of his obligated service, for a union airline pilot job. He didn't even continue in the Reserves or Air National Guard, where he could have continued flying Phantoms, in addition to flying for the airlines. Had he stayed in the Air Force, he'd likely have become a General, after commanding fighter squadrons & wings. Fortunately for everyone who landed on the Hudson with him, he made the choice he did. I just don't value his opinion above that of any other fellow veteran.

I could care less about Trump's bluster. I've heard much worse. I judge him on what he's accomplished & his policies. Past, present, & future.
He vowed to keep us out of endless wars & wind down the ones we've been bogged down in. So far, he's following through.
He vowed not to use our forces as global cops & to not defend allies unwilling to defend themselves. So far, he's following through.
He vowed to fix a broken military & a broken VA. So far, he's following through. I care about results not rhetoric.

Un huh. Let’s see how you judge Biden if he wins....so long as you agree with Trump’s policies, he gets a pass. That’s good to know.

[old salt]

Un huh. Let’s see how you judge Biden if he wins....so long as you agree with Trump’s policies, he gets a pass. That’s good to know.

I'd be happy to hear more from Biden about his policy specifics, & less about his son's Bronze Star (without Combat V).

[seacoaster]

Sure, his policies. But don’t forget the Commander-in-Chief is a moron:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Pervaizistan ... 7929899008

[Peter Brown]

Un huh. Let’s see how you judge Biden if he wins....so long as you agree with Trump’s policies, he gets a pass. That’s good to know.

I'd be happy to hear more from Biden about his policy specifics, & less about his son's Bronze Star (without Combat V).

Joes attractiveness is he has no policies. Nancy and Chuck will set the entire agenda. This is the only thing a fan gets correctly.

[DocBarrister]

....redirect your ire at Trump. He is the one that believes people like you are suckers and losers.

So does every former lax player working on Wall St who passed up an appointment to a service academy. ...& I agree. It was their choice & ours. Everyone has different priorities. Sully, speaking out now, is being hailed as a military hero by people unfamiliar with his short military career. He was a genius & a natural pilot who performed an extraordinary feat of airmanship. He took advantage of a USAFA education, immediate Masters at Purdue, training in the F-4 Phantom, tours in the UK & NV, then bailed out of the Air Force just 7 years after graduation, at the end of his obligated service, for a union airline pilot job. He didn't even continue in the Reserves or Air National Guard, where he could have continued flying Phantoms, in addition to flying for the airlines. Had he stayed in the Air Force, he'd likely have become a General, after commanding fighter squadrons & wings. Fortunately for everyone who landed on the Hudson with him, he made the choice he did. I just don't value his opinion above that of any other fellow veteran.

I could care less about Trump's bluster. I've heard much worse. I judge him on what he's accomplished & his policies. Past, present, & future.
He vowed to keep us out of endless wars & wind down the ones we've been bogged down in. So far, he's following through.
He vowed not to use our forces as global cops & to not defend allies unwilling to defend themselves. So far, he's following through.
He vowed to fix a broken military & a broken VA. So far, he's following through. I care about results not rhetoric.

Trump has accomplished none of that. NONE.

Heck, he nearly started a shooting war with Iran and we have more combat troops in war zones now than when Trump took office.

In the latest results — based on 1,018 active-duty troops surveyed in late July and early August — nearly half of respondents (49.9 percent) had an unfavorable view of the president, compared to about 38 percent who had a favorable view. Questions in the poll had a margin of error of up to 2 percent.

Among all survey participants, 42 percent said they “strongly” disapprove of Trump’s time in office.

... “It’s fair to say that Trump is not as popular as Republican nominees have been in the past among this group,” said Peter Feaver, a White House adviser to former President George W. Bush who now works as a political science professor at Duke University. “The bottom line is that in 2020, Trump can’t be claiming to have overwhelming support in the military.”

... “But the president claims he has been good for the military, that they’re grateful that he has rescued them from the shambles. This shows that’s not the case with all of the military.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pent ... for-biden/

President Trump has repeatedly promised to end what he calls America’s “endless wars,” fulfilling a promise he made during the campaign.

No wars have ended, though, and more troops have deployed to the Middle East in recent months than have come home. Mr. Trump is not so much ending wars, as he is moving troops from one conflict to another.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/21/worl ... Position=1


The only thing he has really accomplished has been to divide the nation and carry out his racist, bigoted, and xenophobic policies, which is really why his base continues to support him.

Admit that and then we can start to have an honest discussion about Trump and your continued support for him.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

Un huh. Let’s see how you judge Biden if he wins....so long as you agree with Trump’s policies, he gets a pass. That’s good to know.

I'd be happy to hear more from Biden about his policy specifics, & less about his son's Bronze Star (without Combat V).

You do understand that Biden has outlined far more policy specifics for the next four years than Trump? Trump didn’t even have a platform for his convention.

Here, educate yourself:

https://joebiden.com/americanleadership/

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

A good catalogue of Trump’s broken promises.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/05/opin ... e=Homepage

DocBarrister

[MDlaxfan76]

Gotta remember that Salty's in the tank for Trump no matter what...including that shooting on Madison ave.

He can say or do absolutely anything, Salty will find a way to ignore it as irrelevant.

What does he really care about?
Russia's influence expands, the US' influence declines.

Suckers and losers?
The USA for having Trump as POTUS.

[Peter Brown]

....redirect your ire at Trump. He is the one that believes people like you are suckers and losers.

So does every former lax player working on Wall St who passed up an appointment to a service academy. ...& I agree. It was their choice & ours. Everyone has different priorities. Sully, speaking out now, is being hailed as a military hero by people unfamiliar with his short military career. He was a genius & a natural pilot who performed an extraordinary feat of airmanship. He took advantage of a USAFA education, immediate Masters at Purdue, training in the F-4 Phantom, tours in the UK & NV, then bailed out of the Air Force just 7 years after graduation, at the end of his obligated service, for a union airline pilot job. He didn't even continue in the Reserves or Air National Guard, where he could have continued flying Phantoms, in addition to flying for the airlines. Had he stayed in the Air Force, he'd likely have become a General, after commanding fighter squadrons & wings. Fortunately for everyone who landed on the Hudson with him, he made the choice he did. I just don't value his opinion above that of any other fellow veteran.

I could care less about Trump's bluster. I've heard much worse. I judge him on what he's accomplished & his policies. Past, present, & future.
He vowed to keep us out of endless wars & wind down the ones we've been bogged down in. So far, he's following through.
He vowed not to use our forces as global cops & to not defend allies unwilling to defend themselves. So far, he's following through.
He vowed to fix a broken military & a broken VA. So far, he's following through. I care about results not rhetoric.

Trump has accomplished none of that. NONE.

Heck, he nearly started a shooting war with Iran and we have more combat troops in war zones now than when Trump took office.

In the latest results — based on 1,018 active-duty troops surveyed in late July and early August — nearly half of respondents (49.9 percent) had an unfavorable view of the president, compared to about 38 percent who had a favorable view. Questions in the poll had a margin of error of up to 2 percent.

Among all survey participants, 42 percent said they “strongly” disapprove of Trump’s time in office.

... “It’s fair to say that Trump is not as popular as Republican nominees have been in the past among this group,” said Peter Feaver, a White House adviser to former President George W. Bush who now works as a political science professor at Duke University. “The bottom line is that in 2020, Trump can’t be claiming to have overwhelming support in the military.”

... “But the president claims he has been good for the military, that they’re grateful that he has rescued them from the shambles. This shows that’s not the case with all of the military.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pent ... for-biden/

President Trump has repeatedly promised to end what he calls America’s “endless wars,” fulfilling a promise he made during the campaign.

No wars have ended, though, and more troops have deployed to the Middle East in recent months than have come home. Mr. Trump is not so much ending wars, as he is moving troops from one conflict to another.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/21/worl ... Position=1


The only thing he has really accomplished has been to divide the nation and carry out his racist, bigoted, and xenophobic policies, which is really why his base continues to support him.

Admit that and then we can start to have an honest discussion about Trump and your continued support for him.

DocBarrister

Admit that you vehemently oppose charter schools because teacher unions have the Democratic Party by the ba!!hairs, thereby denying black kids the opportunities they and their parents are clamoring for, and that therefore you and your entire Party are unregurgitated racists, then we can start to have an honest conversation.

[DMac]

old salt wrote
So does every former lax player working on Wall St who passed up an appointment to a service academy.

While in general I agree with this, salty (although every is kinda like that always and never thing), it's not restricted to ex laxers working on Wall St., IMO. Truth be told, I believe there are a whole lot of people who feel that way. They'll heap all kinds of praise, including labeling them as heros, on our folks in uniform but I believe a whole lot of that is not much more than lip service and just something they believe they're supposed to do/say. That's not just a me thing, I've talked to enough veterans over the years who feel the same way to know I'm not the only one who feels that way. Maybe this has changed over the years but it certainly was the attittude of many when you and I were faced with the going in the military decision, and Trump is one of those of that era who took the most chikenschidt way out and would absolutely look at those who went in as losers and suckers....a leopard can't change its spots.

[Brooklyn]

This is how tRUMP plans to "win" the election: