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Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:38 pm
Matnum PI wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:29 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:54 amRogers is only one guy among say 30 guys on the team, he seems a little egotistical about wanting to discuss race a lot.
It's important. Critical to the education of every human being. And they happen to be discussion racism towards blacks but this translates to anti-semitism, sexism, homophobia, anti-other races, anti-other religions, etc. Cooter, it's important.
Lots of things are important, like the difference between right and wrong. Lots of young adults out there looting, which is wrong.

The Bowdoin lacrosse did have two discussions on race, which apparently seemed sufficient for most of the team.
Rogers wanted more, and didn't get his way Now he has gone on public media ripping his teammates, trying to make them appear like racists.

What sort of support and allyship is he showing for the team?
Cooter, you're out on a limb here and sawing away...

Good for Kendall, takes a set of big ones to put himself out there like this.
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Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:38 pm
Matnum PI wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:29 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:54 amRogers is only one guy among say 30 guys on the team, he seems a little egotistical about wanting to discuss race a lot.
It's important. Critical to the education of every human being. And they happen to be discussion racism towards blacks but this translates to anti-semitism, sexism, homophobia, anti-other races, anti-other religions, etc. Cooter, it's important.
Lots of things are important, like the difference between right and wrong. Lots of young adults out there looting, which is wrong.

The Bowdoin lacrosse did have two discussions on race, which apparently seemed sufficient for most of the team.
Rogers wanted more, and didn't get his way Now he has gone on public media ripping his teammates, trying to make them appear like racists.

What sort of support and allyship is he showing for the team?
I think Mr. Rogers may want to have the conversation precisely because he is the only black man on a 30 man team. Isn't that what the letter to the editor of the Bowdoin Orient basically says: "Being the only Black player has made me feel like I stick out like a sore thumb." The idea that the two conversations sufficed "for most of the team" is, well, kind of irrelevant. This isolated man is asking for more and further discussion, and is suggested that the generalized characterization of the visiting children as "hoodlums" was insensitive and debasing. You can characterize this as "ripping his teammates;" I'd call it doing them and the institution a service and telling people why generalizations are dangerous and characterizations like this can be hurtful and wrong.

Here is the guy's linkedin page:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/karogers28? ... 5ad4cdba02

For Christ's sake: he was the Assistant Director of Intern Programs for Harlem Lacrosse? And one of his teammates decided to refer to the kids visiting as "hoodlums"? Sounds like Mr. Roger's had another constituency on campus to which he needed to direct his loyalty and support.
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seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:52 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:38 pm
Matnum PI wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:29 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:54 amRogers is only one guy among say 30 guys on the team, he seems a little egotistical about wanting to discuss race a lot.
It's important. Critical to the education of every human being. And they happen to be discussion racism towards blacks but this translates to anti-semitism, sexism, homophobia, anti-other races, anti-other religions, etc. Cooter, it's important.
Lots of things are important, like the difference between right and wrong. Lots of young adults out there looting, which is wrong.

The Bowdoin lacrosse did have two discussions on race, which apparently seemed sufficient for most of the team.
Rogers wanted more, and didn't get his way Now he has gone on public media ripping his teammates, trying to make them appear like racists.

What sort of support and allyship is he showing for the team?
I think Mr. Rogers may want to have the conversation precisely because he is the only black man on a 30 man team. Isn't that what the letter to the editor of the Bowdoin Orient basically says: "Being the only Black player has made me feel like I stick out like a sore thumb." The idea that the two conversations sufficed "for most of the team" is, well, kind of irrelevant. This isolated man is asking for more and further discussion, and is suggested that the generalized characterization of the visiting children as "hoodlums" was insensitive and debasing. You can characterize this as "ripping his teammates;" I'd call it doing them and the institution a service and telling people why generalizations are dangerous and characterizations like this can be hurtful and wrong.

Here is the guy's linkedin page:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/karogers28? ... 5ad4cdba02

For Christ's sake: he was the Assistant Director of Intern Programs for Harlem Lacrosse? And one of his teammates decided to refer to the kids visiting as "hoodlums"? Sounds like Mr. Roger's had another constituency on campus to which he needed to direct his loyalty and support.
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Matnum PI wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:28 am https://bowdoinorient.com/2020/09/04/op ... ally-mean/

OPINION: What does ‘support’ really mean?

By Kendall Rogers
Op-ed contributor
September 4, 2020

Just because I am the captain of my team and the leader of the Athletes of Color Coalition (AoCC), that does not guarantee that my team is exempt from problems surrounding race. While these problems have become more visible now, they are not new experiences. I came into this team being the only Black player, and in my three years on the team, only one other Black recruit has visited Bowdoin. Being the only Black player has made me feel like I stick out like a sore thumb. On top of that, the fact that there are no other Black recruits visiting has made me feel like my presence on this team is as rare as winning the lottery. The more I feel this way, the more I have convinced myself that I only made it to Bowdoin because my uncle went here.

To make matters worse, when I was a sophomore, a teammate called me the N-word at a team gathering. Although it was supposedly in a friendly manner, no one understood or came to my support when I was visibly upset. Because no one felt the need to address it, I had to take it upon myself as the only Black person in the entire team house to inform them that using the N-word in any form is unacceptable. Even after this encounter, there was no follow-up discussion about the N-word or other derogatory terms that our team frequently used.

A few weeks later, our team hosted a group of middle school boys from the Harlem Lacrosse Organization. This organization aims to empower students of color in inner cities through lacrosse and academic support. For many of these kids, it was their first time away from home, and even more specifically, their first time ever experiencing a private, predominantly-white college. This was the equivalent to a fairytale for these kids. Despite the opportunity to inspire and empower them, one of my teammates felt it was appropriate to call these 13-year-old Black kids “hoodlums.” I was completely stunned. At this point, I could not believe this was what I was hearing from the players that were recruited alongside me. Since starting lacrosse in third grade, I have always been the only Black player on my team. Never in those years did a teammate make me feel uncomfortable because of my race. This was so new to me, and I had no idea what to do. Immediately, my first two options were to quit or transfer.

There are two very clear reasons why I stayed at Bowdoin. One is my parents. They told me that I could not take the easy way out and give up. They also told me to not let the ignorance of others dictate my success or deter my faith. That piece of advice told me that I had to stay and speak up against what was wrong.

The other reason is the Bowdoin Athletes of Color Coalition. The members of this coalition are why I’m still proud to call myself a Polar Bear and remain hopeful that Bowdoin will improve matters on race. Their constant support for one another and their mission to reform the lack of diversity is truly my pride and joy of still being at Bowdoin. I would not be at this school if AoCC did not exist.

As a rising senior on the team, the feeling of isolation has persisted. My first-year self never would have thought that I would remain this isolated from the team. Ascending through the leadership ranks of the team and becoming a senior captain gave me the illusion that people supported me. However, it is now clear that many members of my team value my athletic contribution and not my identity as a Black male. Even after the athletic department’s emphasis on engaging in team-wide discussions and education on race, our team has failed to rise to the occasion. Throughout the summer, we have only come together twice as a team to speak about race and issues of inclusion. When I raised the question about when our next talk would be and how the team would ensure that this is a consistent priority, I was told that talks are being strategically planned to not “overburden guys.” In response to my concerns, my team has made it clear that merely having a conversation about race is a “burden.” But have they ever imagined actually living as a person of color? As a Black male, I cannot choose when I do and do not engage with race. So, when you talk about not overburdening guys, please consider how I feel and recognize you have the privilege of choosing when conversations about racial disparities can be your priority.

Teammates and coaches can no longer claim to be allies just because we share the same Bowdoin uniform. They must strive to show that same support and allyship even if we are not on the same teams. This requires living a lifestyle that includes actions and behaviors that truly make people feel your support. I speak for most athletes of color when I say that it is clear that regardless of whether we are a captain or the newest member of the team, we do not feel the support of our teammates or coaches.

Enough is enough.

Kendall Rogers is a member of the Class of 2021.
I wonder how it’ll go from now on with the coaches and AD, probably can’t get any worse.
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a fan wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:44 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:35 pm In this case, yup. A good day for America.
Well, remember this view of yours when more violence happens. You're now on the hook for condoning lawlessness, my friend. And you're also on the hook for your view that a person is no longer innocent until proven guilty....the mob gets to decide that now.
Seems many have that same view about cops.
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seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:52 pm The idea that the two conversations sufficed "for most of the team" is, well, kind of irrelevant.
Their lives don't matter?
This isolated man is asking for more and further discussion, and is suggested that the generalized characterization of the visiting children as "hoodlums" was insensitive and debasing. You can characterize this as "ripping his teammates;"
Only one player said that.
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Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:03 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:52 pm The idea that the two conversations sufficed "for most of the team" is, well, kind of irrelevant.
Their lives don't matter?
This isolated man is asking for more and further discussion, and is suggested that the generalized characterization of the visiting children as "hoodlums" was insensitive and debasing. You can characterize this as "ripping his teammates;"
Only one player said that.
Of course their lives matter. I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey. I will say, you appear to miss the point.
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6x6 wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:59 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:44 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:35 pm In this case, yup. A good day for America.
Well, remember this view of yours when more violence happens. You're now on the hook for condoning lawlessness, my friend. And you're also on the hook for your view that a person is no longer innocent until proven guilty....the mob gets to decide that now.
Seems many have that same view about cops.
Yep. And have that same view when "right wingers" get shot or hurt.

And where is this "it's ok if it happens to the "other side" " working out for us?
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seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:21 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:03 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:52 pm The idea that the two conversations sufficed "for most of the team" is, well, kind of irrelevant.
Their lives don't matter?
This isolated man is asking for more and further discussion, and is suggested that the generalized characterization of the visiting children as "hoodlums" was insensitive and debasing. You can characterize this as "ripping his teammates;"
Only one player said that.
Of course their lives matter. I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey. I will say, you appear to miss the point.
We are hearing only one person's point of view.
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6ftstick wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:38 pm What the h*lls the matter with these d*mn cops. Can't they just talk these people down.

https://bluelivesmatter.blue/video-woma ... nSmwiZ75Ls

Defund the police!
should have sent a social worker & a conflict resolution specialist.
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Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:13 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:21 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:03 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:52 pm The idea that the two conversations sufficed "for most of the team" is, well, kind of irrelevant.
Their lives don't matter?
This isolated man is asking for more and further discussion, and is suggested that the generalized characterization of the visiting children as "hoodlums" was insensitive and debasing. You can characterize this as "ripping his teammates;"
Only one player said that.
Of course their lives matter. I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey. I will say, you appear to miss the point.
We are hearing only one person's point of view.
you mean the black guy about the experience of being black?
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:08 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:13 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:21 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:03 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:52 pm The idea that the two conversations sufficed "for most of the team" is, well, kind of irrelevant.
Their lives don't matter?
This isolated man is asking for more and further discussion, and is suggested that the generalized characterization of the visiting children as "hoodlums" was insensitive and debasing. You can characterize this as "ripping his teammates;"
Only one player said that.
Of course their lives matter. I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey. I will say, you appear to miss the point.
We are hearing only one person's point of view.
you mean the black guy about the experience of being black?
Cry me a rainbow.
A black guy at a nice college in his senior year. Probably on a nice scholarship too.
There must be 50+ million Americans in worse shape.

If I was a talented white basketball player going to a school where the BB team was all black, I'd be expecting to hear some racial crap from them, and know l'd just have to deal with it.
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Cooter wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:50 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:08 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:13 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:21 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:03 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:52 pm The idea that the two conversations sufficed "for most of the team" is, well, kind of irrelevant.
Their lives don't matter?
This isolated man is asking for more and further discussion, and is suggested that the generalized characterization of the visiting children as "hoodlums" was insensitive and debasing. You can characterize this as "ripping his teammates;"
Only one player said that.
Of course their lives matter. I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey. I will say, you appear to miss the point.
We are hearing only one person's point of view.
you mean the black guy about the experience of being black?
Cry me a rainbow.
A black guy at a nice college in his senior year. Probably on a nice scholarship too.
There must be 50+ million Americans in worse shape.

If I was a talented white basketball player going to a school where the BB team was all black, I'd be expecting to hear some racial dump from them, and know l'd just have to deal with it.
ok, got it.
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old salt wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:37 pm
6ftstick wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:38 pm What the h*lls the matter with these d*mn cops. Can't they just talk these people down.

https://bluelivesmatter.blue/video-woma ... nSmwiZ75Ls

Defund the police!
should have sent a social worker & a conflict resolution specialist.
She'd have stabbed them both to death.
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6ftstick wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:35 am
old salt wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:37 pm
6ftstick wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:38 pm What the h*lls the matter with these d*mn cops. Can't they just talk these people down.

https://bluelivesmatter.blue/video-woma ... nSmwiZ75Ls

Defund the police!
should have sent a social worker & a conflict resolution specialist.
She'd have stabbed them both to death.


I was watching videos this morning of unhinged lefty Democrat lunatics either throwing things at police, spitting at them, resisting arrest, or whatever. Not one Lefty here who whines all day about how the cops are evil could last two seconds in these guy's shoes.

Check out this absolutely batshinola insane resident of Rochester NY, and prove to me she isn't an elementary school teacher:

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/13 ... 06432?s=20

Listen to this lunatic and convince me the DocB's of the world aren't doing the same. Also, should this lunatic actually have the right to vote? She'd easily vote to gas chamber half this country and not blink. Democrats have lost their heads, and I have videos coming up to prove it.
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Violence last night in:

Rochester

New York

Omaha

Portland

Seattle

Chicago


I stopped counting cities after that.

Trump is gonna wipe the floor with these yo-yo's and you have only your own Democratic squad to blame.

In Rochester, the lovely Democratic foot soldiers chased perfectly peaceful diners out of their chairs and sidewalk meals:

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... 56128?s=20

See the young girls running scared. How does any Democrat think that those people and anyone who watches this video will vote for Biden after seeing this?
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Two right wing radical white supremacist "boogaloo boys" arrested for their role in creating troubles in Minneapolis:


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A criminal complaint states the FBI began investigating the two men, two members of the "Boogaloo Bois" and a sub-group called the "Boojahideen," in May. The group is known to have violent anti-government sentiments, with the term "Boogaloo" referencing an impending second civil war in the U.S.

The complaint states, during the civil unrest in the Twin Cities following George Floyd's death, Solomon was seen openly carrying a firearm in a residential neighborhood. The two men interacted with a witness over several days and the witness told FBI agents they had firearms and substantial quantities of ammunition. The witness also said the two men and other members of their groups discussed committing acts of violence against police officers and other targets to help further their mission of overthrowing the government and replacing its police forces.






Our friend Petey and other delusionals of the far right continue to pretend their heroes had no role in fomenting troubles in the Twin Cities or other venues.
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Brooklyn wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:30 am Two right wing radical white supremacist "boogaloo boys" arrested for their role in creating troubles in Minneapolis:

A criminal complaint states the FBI began investigating the two men, two members of the "Boogaloo Bois" and a sub-group called the "Boojahideen," in May. The group is known to have violent anti-government sentiments, with the term "Boogaloo" referencing an impending second civil war in the U.S.

The complaint states, during the civil unrest in the Twin Cities following George Floyd's death, Solomon was seen openly carrying a firearm in a residential neighborhood. The two men interacted with a witness over several days and the witness told FBI agents they had firearms and substantial quantities of ammunition. The witness also said the two men and other members of their groups discussed committing acts of violence against police officers and other targets to help further their mission of overthrowing the government and replacing its police forces.


Our friend Petey and other delusionals of the far right continue to pretend their heroes had no role in fomenting troubles in the Twin Cities or other venues.




:lol:

The age-old Democratic excuse-making.

Also, uhhh, maybe try reading that piece again Grasshopper.

The defendants believed their anti-U.S. government views aligned with those of Hamas, a foreign terrorist organization, and actively developed plans to carry out violence in Minnesota and elsewhere

Most Hamas supporters I know (and that isn't many, maybe in fact only one: Ilhan Omar) are kinda Democratic.

In any event, you might want to catch up on the actual news out there and see the mugshots of those arrested in, say, Portland, and let us know when you find any Republican in the crowd. You might be a while so I will go for a dip in the pool. Start here and simply keep going; maybe you'll find that unicorn, because these boys and girls and she-girls and he-boys all look and sound kinda Democratic insane:

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... 78307?s=20
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Peter Brown wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:15 am
In Rochester, the lovely Democratic foot soldiers chased perfectly peaceful diners out of their chairs and sidewalk meals:

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... 56128?s=20

See the young girls running scared. How does any Democrat think that those people and anyone who watches this video will vote for Biden after seeing this?
That is pretty disgusting. These BLM are just bad people and getting out of control.
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Cooter wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:50 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:08 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:13 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:21 pm
Cooter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:03 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:52 pm The idea that the two conversations sufficed "for most of the team" is, well, kind of irrelevant.
Their lives don't matter?
This isolated man is asking for more and further discussion, and is suggested that the generalized characterization of the visiting children as "hoodlums" was insensitive and debasing. You can characterize this as "ripping his teammates;"
Only one player said that.
Of course their lives matter. I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey. I will say, you appear to miss the point.
We are hearing only one person's point of view.
you mean the black guy about the experience of being black?
Cry me a rainbow.
A black guy at a nice college in his senior year. Probably on a nice scholarship too.
There must be 50+ million Americans in worse shape.

If I was a talented white basketball player going to a school where the BB team was all black, I'd be expecting to hear some racial dump from them, and know l'd just have to deal with it.
What makes you think he has a scholarship?
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