youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:10 pmOkay 95% of the country damned near shut down...nuance enough?MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:00 pmhmmm, trying reading it again.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:56 pm....you proved my point, in your own friggen words It would have been easier to just say. I agree, but disagree on the total lockdown.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:41 pmNo, large parts of our country did not shutdown, and no part of the country shutdown "completely", certainly not akin to what the Chinese did.youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:02 pmWe did all of a sudden have complete shutdown of society, so much so that people with pre-existing conditions were not getting their standard of medical care. Not implying all those excess deaths equaled people that died at home due in part to an inability to reach a hospital.ggait wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:54 pmJFC. Just look up the CDC excess death data.Meanwhile, the actual report is correct. 94% of those who have died did in fact have underlying conditions. No one said this is WHY they died. In fact, at this stage, no one knows.
USA has had 200k excess deaths this year through July. The rate of excess deaths started to spike up in mid-March and has continued since then. The peak excess deaths occurred in April.
Gee, anyone have any ideas of something unusual going on during that time period? Any ideas at all? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
Did cancer mutate and suddenly get a lot worse? Did people rapidly develop new incidences of obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc. at rates higher than before? Did we all of a sudden start having more gunshot wounds? More motorcycle crashes? Was there a big earthquake/hurricane/wild fire that killed thousands of people during that time period? Was there a big anthrax terrorist attack?
People die for some reason/reasons. So what was it?
Such utter and complete gaslighting ignorant bull shirt to say we have no idea "why" these people started die-ing when they did.
The parts of the country in which people with various other medical needs were avoiding care were those in which hospital wards, emergency rooms, and waiting rooms were overrun with COVID cases, with barely enough or not enough PPE for the medical staff much less other non-infected patients. No government order created that situation unnecessarily, it was the reality of a rampant virus spread crowding out other priorities.
It would indeed be true that some 'excess deaths' were the result of less available medical care in those hot zones, but it wasn't because of a lockdown, it's because docs and nurses were already pulling double and triple shifts. Capacity was crushed.
But that didn't last many months, yet excess deaths continue to outpace measured Covid.
Your key point was total, "complete shutdown of society" ...not remotely correct. And then we took our foot off the gas at the end of the most intense push, just when we knew we needed another month.
and why the trauma over my finding something to agree with, albeit with some nuance?
Prepare for an overreaction to flu season this year as well. “We’ve proven masks to be effective during covid so we should use them during all flu seasons”. It’s coming. These bozos are on power trips.
Excess deaths wouldn’t be much of a thing if only three Democrat governors hadn’t sent sick people back into nursing homes.