All things CoronaVirus

[ggait]

Georgia Tech is reporting at least 250 COVID cases among students only on campus for a short time. This back to school stuff is working out so well.

NC State shuts down fall sports activities, including football. NCST, GT, ND, UNC, Vandy, Bama, Syracuse, etc. etc.

Wonder how long until ACC/SEC/B12 finally acknowledge that college football ain't happening?

[youthathletics]

Interesting how they changed their reporting on H1N1 back in 2016, as the CDC changes the rigors of who should be tested. Seems they know something and are not telling us.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspec ... ase-counts

Remember this, back in April:

[wgdsr]

Sweden bent their curve the old fashioned way -- with social distancing. Which the Swedes took VERY seriously. Not herd immunity. Masks are but one form, but not the only form, of SD after all.

Unlike Americans, Swedes do what they are told is useful and advise-able. So the Swedes did a lock down without a mandatory lock down order. That approach hasn't worked in the USA.

"Swedes in general have changed their behavior to a great extent during the pandemic and the practice of social distancing as well as physical distancing in public places and at work has been widespread," said Maria Furberg, MD, PhD, an infectious diseases expert at Umea University Hospital in northeastern Sweden.

"During the months of March to early June, all shops were practically empty, people stopped dining with friends, and families stopped seeing even their closest relatives," Furberg told MedPage Today. "A lock-down could not have been more effective. Handwashing, excessive use of hand sanitizers, and staying home at the first sign of a cold became the new normal very quickly."

Mozhu Ding, PhD, an epidemiologist at the famed Karolinska Institute, said the decline is "likely to be a combination of measures taken by individuals, businesses and a widespread information campaign launched by the government."

"Even without a strict lockdown order, many businesses allowed employees to work from home, and universities are offering distance courses to the students," Ding told MedPage Today. "Individuals are also taking personal hygiene more seriously, as items like hand sanitizers and single-use gloves are often sold out in pharmacies and grocery stores."

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectious ... id19/87812

After their initial mis-steps and challenges, Sweden (along with ALL the other first world countries) figured out how to do SD well. The USA is alone among first world countries in being completely unable to figure this out.

Hence the following daily death numbers (7 day average):

USA 989

Spain 31
Australia 16
France 15
UK 9
Japan 7
Germany 6
Canada 6
Italy 5
Sweden 0
Norway 0
Finland 0
NZ 0

in fairness, unless any of us have spent time all over sweden and the u.s., none of us know the difference of what was/has been done.

a guess going by neighboring nordic countries is that sweden was in better physical "shape" to handle the virus than the u.s., and could've done much better on deaths as a result (also they were worse than us even on nursing home protection).

to me at present they look like the maybe 15th and best example of natural immunity. time will tell.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Georgia Tech is reporting at least 250 COVID cases among students only on campus for a short time. This back to school stuff is working out so well.

NC State shuts down fall sports activities, including football. NCST, GT, ND, UNC, Vandy, Bama, Syracuse, etc. etc.

Wonder how long until ACC/SEC/B12 finally acknowledge that college football ain't happening?

Maybe the tests are wrong and the schools should retest

[wgdsr]

Georgia Tech is reporting at least 250 COVID cases among students only on campus for a short time. This back to school stuff is working out so well.

NC State shuts down fall sports activities, including football. NCST, GT, ND, UNC, Vandy, Bama, Syracuse, etc. etc.

Wonder how long until ACC/SEC/B12 finally acknowledge that college football ain't happening?

nc state is taking a pause. they didn't have much of a chance at a ship anyway.

[Brooklyn]

No Covid.

Meanwhile, our Democrats think the sky is falling. Until 11-3 that is.

As usual, a delusional right winger dismisses the number of needless deaths arising from the Republican created tRUMP virus. No surprise given the pro death nature of his political party.

[ardilla secreta]

Sweden bent their curve the old fashioned way

That’s what Hillary said.

[CU88]

Feb 26:
@realDonaldTrump lied when he said we had 15 cases and we're "going to be down close to zero soon"

August 25: We have 5.92 million+ cases and 181,100+ deaths

Trump's deception, denial, delay, and incompetence have had a deadly cost.

[Bart]

What many have feared ... world’s first confirmed case of novel coronavirus re-reinfection.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science ... y-n1237840

This suggests that for some or many (or most or all?) people, any immunity through infection/recovery or vaccination will be temporary.

Not good.

DocBarrister

One possible implication ... we may face a future requiring constant vigilance against this virus. Meaning, repeated vaccinations and occasional isolations and shutdowns when local outbreaks occur.

DocBarrister

Read what the article stated,the patient was asymptomatic the throughout the re-infection. Its likely that the his immune system having familiarity with the virus prevented him/her from experiencing any symptoms. This is a rather extremist take, there is nothing that is NOT good about it. Reinfection does not and rarely has to be associated with worse symptoms. This would fly in the face of every scientific principle known to mankind. This isn't a new virus, just a very different strain of the Coronavirus family that has been around for quite a while. This post is leaving a lot of what the article said and inserting your alarmist beliefs into it. I am a casual observer of this forum, but a lot of the time its very hard to even take you serious. You are purposefully divisive, alarmist, insensitive and take things to the extreme every chance you get. I get it, you are unhappy with the current leadership in this country, but that doesn't call for some of the extreme takes that you throw out in regards to this virus. There's a lot of people unhappy with the leadership as you are, yet they don't abandon their sense of rational belief and make such divisive statements as if they are making them just to elicit some sort of response that they may seek.

Go Twins,
JoeMauer89!

The ignorance in your post is truly astonishing. I would correct every errant statement in your post, but I have a day job and don’t have the time to teach you all you should know.

You also missed a key point ... the second infection was caused by a different variant of the novel coronavirus. Same virus, different variant. That is definitely bad.

Public health officials were hoping that long-term immunity would be possible with the Covid-19 virus (as it was with SARS and MERS). Such long-term immunity was key to getting those earlier pandemics under control. More and more, that does not seem likely with the novel coronavirus. In other words, the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) is not like other viruses.

There is also another sickness involved here ... a repugnant and dishonest effort to portray SARS-CoV-2 as just another strain of coronavirus.

WRONG ... we’re well on our way to a million worldwide deaths despite the most extreme infection mitigation efforts in over a century (plus, modern medicine and technology). There will likely be a quarter million dead Americans by the end of the year. THAT is nothing like other recent coronaviruses. To say otherwise is disrespectful, dishonest, and ignorant.

Seriously, let’s stop with the ignorant posts.

DocBarrister

This is an N=1. It could just be the difference between sterile immunity and non sterile immunity. The first will protect from any reinfection and the later protects against the disease becoming clinically significant but there is some reinfection. The article suggests that the immuno response is working the way one would expect it to. The individual had no ab in first round but a more robust ab reaction in the second time around, which is encouraging

[CU88]

Wait until football starts!

https://www.al.com/news/2020/08/univers ... cases.html

A total of 531 confirmed cases between students, faculty and staff were reported on the Tuscaloosa campus since classes resumed Aug. 19, UA announced Monday evening. The dashboard did not include how many were tested Aug. 19 through Aug. 23 or the rate of positive tests.

[Peter Brown]

77 false positives from 4 teams, one lab. The NFL.

Imagine how off most of America's #'s must be...

https://kstp.com/minnesota-sports/nfl-n ... s/5838049/

Go back to work and school.

[Typical Lax Dad]

77 false positives from 4 teams, one lab. The NFL.

Imagine how off most of America's #'s must be...

https://kstp.com/minnesota-sports/nfl-n ... s/5838049/

Go back to work and school.

Dig those 180,000 plus bodies up. They ain’t dead.

[RedFromMI]

77 false positives from 4 teams, one lab. The NFL.

Imagine how off most of America's #'s must be...

https://kstp.com/minnesota-sports/nfl-n ... s/5838049/

Go back to work and school.

Your failure to actually use logic when you post is so consistent.

1. From your first sentence, there is maybe a problem with that one lab's results/methods.

2. Second sentence - conflate as national problem with no evidence. There are plenty of studies on false positive rates in general for different testing methods - and the best ones have _very_ low false positive rates.

3. Final sentence - false conclusion given the bad logic used.

Kind of a meaningless post, isn't it?

[kramerica.inc]

What many have feared ... world’s first confirmed case of novel coronavirus re-reinfection.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science ... y-n1237840

This suggests that for some or many (or most or all?) people, any immunity through infection/recovery or vaccination will be temporary.

Not good.

DocBarrister

One possible implication ... we may face a future requiring constant vigilance against this virus. Meaning, repeated vaccinations and occasional isolations and shutdowns when local outbreaks occur.

DocBarrister

Read what the article stated,the patient was asymptomatic the throughout the re-infection. Its likely that the his immune system having familiarity with the virus prevented him/her from experiencing any symptoms. This is a rather extremist take, there is nothing that is NOT good about it. Reinfection does not and rarely has to be associated with worse symptoms. This would fly in the face of every scientific principle known to mankind. This isn't a new virus, just a very different strain of the Coronavirus family that has been around for quite a while. This post is leaving a lot of what the article said and inserting your alarmist beliefs into it. I am a casual observer of this forum, but a lot of the time its very hard to even take you serious. You are purposefully divisive, alarmist, insensitive and take things to the extreme every chance you get. I get it, you are unhappy with the current leadership in this country, but that doesn't call for some of the extreme takes that you throw out in regards to this virus. There's a lot of people unhappy with the leadership as you are, yet they don't abandon their sense of rational belief and make such divisive statements as if they are making them just to elicit some sort of response that they may seek.

Go Twins,
JoeMauer89!

The ignorance in your post is truly astonishing. I would correct every errant statement in your post, but I have a day job and don’t have the time to teach you all you should know.

You also missed a key point ... the second infection was caused by a different variant of the novel coronavirus. Same virus, different variant. That is definitely bad.

Public health officials were hoping that long-term immunity would be possible with the Covid-19 virus (as it was with SARS and MERS). Such long-term immunity was key to getting those earlier pandemics under control. More and more, that does not seem likely with the novel coronavirus. In other words, the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) is not like other viruses.

There is also another sickness involved here ... a repugnant and dishonest effort to portray SARS-CoV-2 as just another strain of coronavirus.

WRONG ... we’re well on our way to a million worldwide deaths despite the most extreme infection mitigation efforts in over a century (plus, modern medicine and technology). There will likely be a quarter million dead Americans by the end of the year. THAT is nothing like other recent coronaviruses. To say otherwise is disrespectful, dishonest, and ignorant.

Seriously, let’s stop with the ignorant posts.

DocBarrister

And he’s here!

[jhu72]

There was no political pressure. Right.

[Typical Lax Dad]

There was no political pressure. Right.

Absurd

[wgdsr]

What many have feared ... world’s first confirmed case of novel coronavirus re-reinfection.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science ... y-n1237840

This suggests that for some or many (or most or all?) people, any immunity through infection/recovery or vaccination will be temporary.

Not good.

DocBarrister

One possible implication ... we may face a future requiring constant vigilance against this virus. Meaning, repeated vaccinations and occasional isolations and shutdowns when local outbreaks occur.

DocBarrister

Read what the article stated,the patient was asymptomatic the throughout the re-infection. Its likely that the his immune system having familiarity with the virus prevented him/her from experiencing any symptoms. This is a rather extremist take, there is nothing that is NOT good about it. Reinfection does not and rarely has to be associated with worse symptoms. This would fly in the face of every scientific principle known to mankind. This isn't a new virus, just a very different strain of the Coronavirus family that has been around for quite a while. This post is leaving a lot of what the article said and inserting your alarmist beliefs into it. I am a casual observer of this forum, but a lot of the time its very hard to even take you serious. You are purposefully divisive, alarmist, insensitive and take things to the extreme every chance you get. I get it, you are unhappy with the current leadership in this country, but that doesn't call for some of the extreme takes that you throw out in regards to this virus. There's a lot of people unhappy with the leadership as you are, yet they don't abandon their sense of rational belief and make such divisive statements as if they are making them just to elicit some sort of response that they may seek.

Go Twins,
JoeMauer89!

The ignorance in your post is truly astonishing. I would correct every errant statement in your post, but I have a day job and don’t have the time to teach you all you should know.

You also missed a key point ... the second infection was caused by a different variant of the novel coronavirus. Same virus, different variant. That is definitely bad.

Public health officials were hoping that long-term immunity would be possible with the Covid-19 virus (as it was with SARS and MERS). Such long-term immunity was key to getting those earlier pandemics under control. More and more, that does not seem likely with the novel coronavirus. In other words, the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) is not like other viruses.

There is also another sickness involved here ... a repugnant and dishonest effort to portray SARS-CoV-2 as just another strain of coronavirus.

WRONG ... we’re well on our way to a million worldwide deaths despite the most extreme infection mitigation efforts in over a century (plus, modern medicine and technology). There will likely be a quarter million dead Americans by the end of the year. THAT is nothing like other recent coronaviruses. To say otherwise is disrespectful, dishonest, and ignorant.

Seriously, let’s stop with the ignorant posts.

DocBarrister

could you explain why you state that long-term immunity is what
was key to getting sars and mers under control?

[Typical Lax Dad]

Excellent Study.

[ggait]

in fairness, unless any of us have spent time all over sweden and the u.s., none of us know the difference of what was/has been done.

In fairness, the Swedish university epidemiologists quoted spend all their time in Sweden. And they say Sweden did a lock down/heavy social distancing. Even though it was done voluntarily rather than through mandate/order.

a guess going by neighboring nordic countries is that sweden was in better physical "shape" to handle the virus than the u.s., and could've done much better on deaths as a result (also they were worse than us even on nursing home protection).

Sweden is basically in the same shape as all the other Euro 1st world countries, including the other Nordics. While many got slammed initially (Sweden, Italy, France, Spain, UK) they ALL have it under control now. All doing WAY better than the USA right now. They ALL figured it out eventually. As did Japan, Australia, Canada, SK. Take social distancing seriously and you get it under control.

We are alone among the 1st worlders in not getting a grip on this after six months.

[Typical Lax Dad]

in fairness, unless any of us have spent time all over sweden and the u.s., none of us know the difference of what was/has been done.

In fairness, the Swedish university epidemiologists quoted spend all their time in Sweden. And they say Sweden did a lock down/heavy social distancing. Even though it was done voluntarily rather than through mandate/order.

a guess going by neighboring nordic countries is that sweden was in better physical "shape" to handle the virus than the u.s., and could've done much better on deaths as a result (also they were worse than us even on nursing home protection).

Sweden is basically in the same shape as all the other Euro 1st world countries, including the other Nordics. While many got slammed initially (Sweden, Italy, France, Spain, UK) they ALL have it under control now. All doing WAY better than the USA right now. They ALL figured it out eventually. As did Japan, Australia, Canada, SK. Take social distancing seriously and you get it under control.

We are alone among the 1st worlders in not getting a grip on this after six months.

What about India, Brazil and Mexico. They are right behind us?