steel_hop wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:57 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:24 am
primitiveskills wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:22 am
Those fixated only on the death rate are missing a big part of the picture. As the pandemic goes on, we are learning more about chronic sequelae of COVID-19; chronic fatigue, cognitive impairment, myocarditis. For the lacrosse community, see Jules Henningburg as a cautionary tale. Are we really saying that signing 20 year-olds up for these sort of chronic conditions is OK, as long as they don't die acutely? No thanks.
+1. You get the flu, get over it and get on with life. Not the same reality with Covid 19 for many people.
Please post a peer reviewed study that incorporated 1000s of patients to support your contentions. I won't argue with anecdotal stories about one off long haulers of a virus that has likely infected in excess of 200,000,000 if not more. There are certainly going to be bad stories...there are bad stories with any virus. The one reason many of these bad stories appear right now is because of people like Doc consume it because they seemed to want to live in some world where everyone is safe from everything. That isn't practical nor reality. (Though given Doc's lax arguments lacking a basis in reality, these aren't that far fetched).
If you want to talk about reality. Look at the study from the CDC that found 1 in 4 people between the ages of 18 and 24 contemplated suicide (
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/202 ... 9-pandemic). That is what is going to happen to college kids. Not some virus that has allowed 99.9999% of those under the age of 30 survive.
We have never as a society quarantined the healthy along with the sick. It has never happened - even in the Spanish Flu. Even in the Spanish Flu, the quaratining measures were not even to this level and certainly didn't last 6 months (like now) and didn't contemplate lasting years or until a vaccine became available.
Here is a recent letter to the ND Observer
https://ndsmcobserver.com/2020/08/recal ... the-risks/
Here is the opening paragraph
As professors at Notre Dame, we have closely watched the debates over whether the University should send students home for the semester. A new danger stalks the world, and it is not clear when we will have it under control. Nevertheless, we think the right decision is to have students learn and live together in person. We recognize there are some risks, especially to faculty and staff, but we do not think they are high enough to deprive students of the opportunities we were fortunate enough to enjoy at their age. Our society has already made young people sacrifice so much during the pandemic. Based on our understanding of the risks and present situation, we think shuttering the campus indefinitely and banishing students to isolated online learning would be unjust.
I am thankful that there are a few people here and elsewhere who have taken the time to reach an understanding of the situation, and are willing to make the effort to put accurate and nuanced information out there. Unfortunately there are many more Doc Barristers who are pleased to continuously spread misinformation and fear. I won't guess at why.
We are currently in the process of destroying college athletics - along with so many other aspects of our society - ruining a second academic year for college students, and causing incalculable and disastrous distress to students all the way from college down to kindergarten. There are and will be ramifications to the human experience as a result of lockdowns and associated efforts to control a virus that clearly will not be controlled, that will be far, far worse than Covid itself. At this point, with all of the data and information we have about Covid, this is a largely man-made catastrophe brought about by fear, perpetuated by the media and their proctors like Doc Barrister, and is entirely avoidable. If, and only if, we have courage.
The professors at Notre Dame have distinguished themselves as free and brave thinkers. I hope they inspire others in higher education and other sectors of our society to speak out, hold the line, and help us move forward. If we don't do it now, there won't be much of a world left.