All things CoronaVirus

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How many of your friends and family members have died of the Chinese Corona Virus?

0 people
44
64%
1 person.
10
14%
2 people.
3
4%
3 people.
5
7%
More.
7
10%
 
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wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:10 pm brooklyn... i don't think you'll find one but i'll be happy to be informed if there is one. your link did not provide any.

had you bothered to look you would have found this:


FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems


https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-a ... setting-or


July 1, 2020 Update: A summary of the FDA review of safety issues with the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat hospitalized patients with COVID-19 is now available. This includes reports of serious heart rhythm problems and other safety issues, including blood and lymph system disorders, kidney injuries, and liver problems and failure.
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Brooklyn wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:34 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:10 pm brooklyn... i don't think you'll find one but i'll be happy to be informed if there is one. your link did not provide any.

had you bothered to look you would have found this:


FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems


https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-a ... setting-or


July 1, 2020 Update: A summary of the FDA review of safety issues with the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat hospitalized patients with COVID-19 is now available. This includes reports of serious heart rhythm problems and other safety issues, including blood and lymph system disorders, kidney injuries, and liver problems and failure.
that's not a study. or a trial. that's a news release. it seems we're just going to go round and round here, so maybe we just say movin' on!!
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wgdsr wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:43 pm

that's not a study. or a trial. that's a news release. it seems we're just going to go round and round here, so maybe we just say movin' on!!

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatf ... dacted.pdf


On April 13, 2020, the Division of Anti-infective (DAI) products opened a priority Tracked
Safety Issue (TSI) 2150 to assess the risk of cardiac toxicity with hydroxychloroquine and
chloroquine with or without azithromycin when used for the treatment of COVID-19 caused by
severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection.
On April 24, 2020, FDA issued a Drug Safety Communication (DSC) cautioning against the use
of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical
trial due to risk of arrhythmias. The DSC described reports of serious cardiac events, including
QT prolongation, in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, often in combination
with azithromycin and other QT prolonging medicines, for the prevention or treatment of
COVID-19.1
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pro death Republicans approve of having more Americans die from the tRUMP virus:


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An unfinished story that has been developing for many months. No one that I know in the healthcare industry that is interested in quality care thinks this is anything but a dangerous, bad idea, designed to cause the same problems with patient data protection as already exists in the financial credit markets with for profit "personal information" brokers.

A little background on the company awarded the no-bid contract to implement the system. https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/07/17 ... irty-deed/

The owner of the company is a real estate developer (like that should be a surprise :roll: ) from Pittsburgh. It is a very small private company based on its PPP filling, with an annual payroll less $1 million.

The market this company is in is not medical, it is physical asset tracking. This equipment is sold into hospitals among other types of businesses, but requires no knowledge of hospital workflow or operations. There are at least 50 companies in the US with better claims to relevant medical IT experience than these guys. So why were these guys awarded a no-bid contract?? What is the relationship to Kushner and/or Trump??
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Georgia Tech is reporting at least 250 COVID cases among students only on campus for a short time. This back to school stuff is working out so well. :roll:
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a fan wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:41 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:24 pm
njbill wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:01 pmYes.
Party before science, I guess.
Yes, and in this case, direct all complaints to Dr. Fauci. He's the head fred, and is responsible for all medical advice on this virus.

So if you don't like what we're doing? Complain to him.

But you won't do that, because he's part of a Republican Administration...and we can't have that, right, Pete?


Bureaucrats are unassailable now? Fauci is perfect, move along. Whatever he says goes.
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Brooklyn wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:16 am pro death Republicans approve of having more Americans die from the tRUMP virus:


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Someone needs to explain to me how 5 days ago the FDA had decided to HOLD on the authorization but then suddenly reverse that decision? It is almost as if politics were more important than science.

F.D.A.’s Emergency Approval of Blood Plasma Is Now on Hold

Government health leaders including Dr. Francis S. Collins and Dr. Anthony S. Fauci urged caution last week, citing weak data from the country’s largest plasma study.

By Noah Weiland, Sharon LaFraniere and Sheri Fink
Aug. 19, 2020

"WASHINGTON — Last week, just as the Food and Drug Administration was preparing to issue an emergency authorization for blood plasma as a Covid-19 treatment, a group of top federal health officials including Dr. Francis S. Collins and Dr. Anthony S. Fauci intervened, arguing that emerging data on the treatment was too weak, according to two senior administration officials.

The authorization is on hold for now as more data is reviewed, according to H. Clifford Lane, the clinical director at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/us/p ... id-19.html

I knew that the Iditarod race is in honor of the transport of medicine to Nome; but did not know it was to deliver a similar plasma serum. It was used against Diptheria, until they found a vaccine. To me there is also a touch of irony that the USPS was involved in seting up the dog's route and relay teams were stationed at "Post Offices" of the time. http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20161014 ... se-by-dogs

Honestly, if this latest medical application does helps against COVID-19, only the wealthy 1% will likely get it. :(

"Extracting plasma is cumbersome. It begins much like a blood donation, with a needle inserted into a vein. The blood is drawn into a machine with a centrifuge, which filters the plasma and returns the rest of the blood to the body. The plasma must be stored at freezing temperatures. It cannot be mass produced."

Also in the article:

"Dr. Lipkin said that, in retrospect, he might have played a role in shaping plasma’s fame, unknowingly undermining his own trial. In March, he appeared on television shows like “Lou Dobbs Tonight” on Fox Business Network, where he extolled its potential benefits — a move that, he speculates, could have led administration officials to move more quickly to expand access.

“I share some responsibility for this,” he said. “I think there are all kinds of arguments one can make based on history, having a precedent. But that’s not a substitute for rigorous science.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/04/heal ... lasma.html

As they should, science is looking at all straws, and reaching back at 1840's style medicine is smart, but not worth the headlines it is getting.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:49 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:14 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:15 pm
jhu72 wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:39 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:24 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:26 am So, yesterday they headed to get tested at the closest testing site in NH, but learned on the way that the turnaround in test time for an answer would be 10 days...10 days!
At some point----at some point----we have to recognize that this is unacceptable for the leader of the free world.

There are millions of Americans who have told themselves that we have superior free market health care.

I'm not seeing this alleged superiority.....and I don't understand that others don't, too.

It's there for the folks in the Hamptons and that rapid testing, though----think the rest of TrumpLand will catch on to that?

Nope. Let them eat cake.
I have been one of the guys (for years) cautioning on the hubris over how great our medical system. It is f**king great if you are filthy rich, otherwise it is less good than the average western democracy. The outcomes numbers have been showing this for decades - the numbers don't lie! But I am surprised at just how poorly we have done in this pandemic, compared to the entire rest of the world, our results pretty much suck. This is not entirely the fault of the medical system. The morons that make up our population have contributed massively to the failure.
That’s odd, my son has been back at college for two weeks and has been tested twice, less than 72 hour results.
What state?

What my family was told (just confirmed this with my sister) was the area of NH hadn't purchased the tests that have faster turnaround, haven't ramped up...it was going to cost over $1,000 for the 7 person crew to get tested, with 7-10 day turnaround.

My nephew apparently didn't catch it at the restaurant, but rather his idiot roommate was feeling bad, didn't tell him, and continued to infect both him...and went out on the town with others...my nephew is furious, of course.
Maryland. The college kids are making it challenging for these schools to 'safely' do their part. Throwing ragers before school officially starts. Many of those living on campus have been kicked off for a quarantine period. Could you imagine dropping off your child at school, crying, tears of joy...only to get a call a few days later they need a place to live for a couple/few weeks and your insurance card to be tested. Makes you wanna crack some skulls....thanks be to God my son chose not to go to the part where so many got busted.
Good luck to your son and your family.
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jhu72 wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:46 am Georgia Tech is reporting at least 250 COVID cases among students only on campus for a short time. This back to school stuff is working out so well. :roll:


College kids I guess shouldn't be allowed to drive any longer, since the likelihood of them dying in a car accident is about 5x that of Covid. Also, they shouldn't drink, since they die from that at about 3x that of Covid.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/co ... race-14863

The fear porn about Covid is idiotic. Meanwhile, deaths are dropping fast:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
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jhu72 wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:46 am Georgia Tech is reporting at least 250 COVID cases among students only on campus for a short time. This back to school stuff is working out so well. :roll:
I heard a school in North Carolina has no testing protocol at all. We dropped my daughter off at school yesterday. We are hoping she stays safe. A lot of testing doesn’t cover up stupid behavior. The students are tested once a week with a quick turnaround. It’s a small school so we are hoping that helps.
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Peter Brown wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:05 am
jhu72 wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:46 am Georgia Tech is reporting at least 250 COVID cases among students only on campus for a short time. This back to school stuff is working out so well. :roll:


College kids I guess shouldn't be allowed to drive any longer, since the likelihood of them dying in a car accident is about 5x that of Covid. Also, they shouldn't drink, since they die from that at about 3x that of Covid.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/co ... race-14863

The fear porn about Covid is idiotic. Meanwhile, deaths are dropping fast:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Let's pin this post as another of Petey's catastrophically dumb prognostications.

Yup, deaths are going to slow down over the next weeks, we knew that a few weeks ago. It's not rocket science, nor is it "magical".

Same thing happened last May...

The next set of surges has not yet been seen in the forward #'s nationally, but we do know where the flames are being fanned and are most likely to result in major outbreaks this fall. Again, not rocket science.

The other stupid aspect of this post is that the concern is far less about college student health (though not unimportant) than it is about creating accelerated community spread at a time when the virus is not yet quashed. And it's a geometric progression, not a single event caused by a poor decision.

But you know that Petey, I don't think you're actually as dumb as you troll.
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CU88 wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:03 am
Brooklyn wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:16 am pro death Republicans approve of having more Americans die from the tRUMP virus:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgHuU9eXoAI ... name=small
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the pro DEATH party

PB's comment about "fear porn" is just another example of their pathetic viewpoint
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:19 am
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:05 am
jhu72 wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:46 am Georgia Tech is reporting at least 250 COVID cases among students only on campus for a short time. This back to school stuff is working out so well. :roll:


College kids I guess shouldn't be allowed to drive any longer, since the likelihood of them dying in a car accident is about 5x that of Covid. Also, they shouldn't drink, since they die from that at about 3x that of Covid.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/co ... race-14863

The fear porn about Covid is idiotic. Meanwhile, deaths are dropping fast:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Let's pin this post as another of Petey's catastrophically dumb prognostications.

Yup, deaths are going to slow down over the next weeks, we knew that a few weeks ago. It's not rocket science, nor is it "magical".

Same thing happened last May...

The next set of surges has not yet been seen in the forward #'s nationally, but we do know where the flames are being fanned and are most likely to result in major outbreaks this fall. Again, not rocket science.

The other stupid aspect of this post is that the concern is far less about college student health (though not unimportant) than it is about creating accelerated community spread at a time when the virus is not yet quashed. And it's a geometric progression, not a single event caused by a poor decision.

But you know that Petey, I don't think you're actually as dumb as you troll.



This isn’t complicated like you want to fear-porn people. Test on a system (on return, two days later, one week later, one month later). If you test positive, off to quarantine hotel for two weeks.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... -outbreaks
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MDlaxfan76 wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:19 am
Peter Brown wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:05 am
jhu72 wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:46 am Georgia Tech is reporting at least 250 COVID cases among students only on campus for a short time. This back to school stuff is working out so well. :roll:


College kids I guess shouldn't be allowed to drive any longer, since the likelihood of them dying in a car accident is about 5x that of Covid. Also, they shouldn't drink, since they die from that at about 3x that of Covid.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/co ... race-14863

The fear porn about Covid is idiotic. Meanwhile, deaths are dropping fast:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Let's pin this post as another of Petey's catastrophically dumb prognostications.

Yup, deaths are going to slow down over the next weeks, we knew that a few weeks ago. It's not rocket science, nor is it "magical".

Same thing happened last May...

The next set of surges has not yet been seen in the forward #'s nationally, but we do know where the flames are being fanned and are most likely to result in major outbreaks this fall. Again, not rocket science.

The other stupid aspect of this post is that the concern is far less about college student health (though not unimportant) than it is about creating accelerated community spread at a time when the virus is not yet quashed. And it's a geometric progression, not a single event caused by a poor decision.

But you know that Petey, I don't think you're actually as dumb as you troll.
MD ... a friendly reminder that you are expending your considerable intellect arguing with one Peter Brown, who supports the re-legalization of racial segregation.

Thank you. That is all.

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What many have feared ... world’s first confirmed case of novel coronavirus re-reinfection.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science ... y-n1237840

This suggests that for some or many (or most or all?) people, any immunity through infection/recovery or vaccination will be temporary.

Not good.

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DocBarrister wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:19 am What many have feared ... world’s first confirmed case of novel coronavirus re-reinfection.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science ... y-n1237840

This suggests that for some or many (or most or all?) people, any immunity through infection/recovery or vaccination will be temporary.

Not good.

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One possible implication ... we may face a future requiring constant vigilance against this virus. Meaning, repeated vaccinations and occasional isolations and shutdowns when local outbreaks occur.

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College kids I guess shouldn't be allowed to drive any longer, since the likelihood of them dying in a car accident is about 5x that of Covid. Also, they shouldn't drink, since they die from that at about 3x that of Covid.
Petey is right. Crazy fear porn. Since there’s no one over age 25 that lives in Gainesville, Chapel Hill, Ann Arbor, Boulder or Eugene, no problem if you just let the virus run. What could go wrong?
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DocBarrister wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:24 am
DocBarrister wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:19 am What many have feared ... world’s first confirmed case of novel coronavirus re-reinfection.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science ... y-n1237840

This suggests that for some or many (or most or all?) people, any immunity through infection/recovery or vaccination will be temporary.

Not good.

DocBarrister :?
One possible implication ... we may face a future requiring constant vigilance against this virus. Meaning, repeated vaccinations and occasional isolations and shutdowns when local outbreaks occur.

DocBarrister :|


Doc left out the quiet part of his post: "until November 3rd"

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